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Greg Jennings: No one knows if Tanny can be great: treated like a child

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Agua, Feb 5, 2016.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You're making stuff up even more now.

    I didn't try anything in Club and wasn't proven wrong.

    You're furthering your lying bs by trying to imply the stuff Saturday is talking about is the same, it is not.

    He was not given a lot of options. You know it. Stop lying. Move on.
     
  2. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    man, it must be fun in that world you create. So I don't get why you're so angry all of the time. I'll leave it at that.
     
  3. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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  4. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    But you are okay with me crapping on Lazor despite his disadvantages?
     
  5. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What's missing from that is what comprises the menu. It's quite extensive as confirmed publicly by Lazor (and other sources).

    If you read what Saturday said, both Rodgers and Manning are also handed a menu. This was revealed by Rodgers because he was pissed that people questioned why he couldn't call his own plays. He revealed nobody is allowed to, not even Manning.
     
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  6. Fin D

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    Yes.

    Lazor, with the disadvantage of having a bad oline, did nothing but call short plays to counter it. He abandoned the run. He didn't roll out Thill enough. He ignored 2 strengths (Miller and Thill on the move) which happen to be traditional counters for our biggest weakness (oline).

    It is the coach's job to adapt to his players. it is the players job to perform.

    Lazor never adapted and Thill has certainly performed.
     
  7. Sceeto

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  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Its not extensive. Its a pizza menu. He can have pizza with his choice of one of a handful of toppings (and sometimes less or none at all). Rodgers and Manning, are given two options from 5 different restaurants each.

    That is significantly different. Most don't think a QB can call whatever play he wants at anytime, but if you can't see that vast difference in the situations, especially from a defensive standpoint....especially given our line....then I don't know what to tell you.
     
  9. Sceeto

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    I kind of have the munchies now.
     
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  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Every believes you have the munchies, no one....and i mean no one....believes you got them from reading my post.
     
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  11. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    So Lazor was in a bad situation and also performed badly.

    Sounds familiar.
     
  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Of course it sounds familiar you literally ignored what I said and then summarized it with what you wanted it to mean.

    - Lazor was hindered less at his job then Thill was at his job.
    - Lazor performed worse at his job then Thill did at his job.
     
  13. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    .Sshhh. ....you're right, but that didn't help.
     
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  14. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Tannehill's ability to audible is no different than any other QB with similar experience, why has this become a story? Why did Campbell go on record saying Tannehill had more freedom under Sherman? Why has Jennings complained about it? Why have TV analyst, some of whom were former QBs, discuss the lack of options?

    I don't think there is any question his ability to audible was more limited than the NFL norm. No whether that was done to help him or wasn't it hurting him is a matter of debate and one we won't know the answer to until he is given the freedom.
     
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  15. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Don't bring facts into this.
     
  16. Brasfin

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    http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...Jennings/06461ee6-874d-4c68-89fe-3ec1ba1139ac

    Don't know if this has been posted before, but here's Jennings on the Finsiders explaining his comments.

    He's saying it may have been a poor choice of words to say that Tannehill is being babied, but that he feels he has been hand held since coming into the league. He says Tannehill needs to be let go so that he can make mistakes and eventually grow as a player. Says Tannehill himself has said he wants to be given more freedom.

    Here's to hoping Adam Gase throws Tannehill to the deep end of the pool.
     
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  17. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    There are a couple of questions that pop up on this, firstly, Jennings has been here one year, so how can he be the best source of info on how Tanne was treated "since he's been in the league", the only thing he can speak on is how Tanne was treated in this one year of tremendous flux, doesn't mean he's wrong but he isn't the best source.

    Adam Gase isn't known for throwing QBs in the deep end, granted it's only a one year window to look through, but he took away freedom from a 10 year vet last year, so it doesn't seem logical that he would be giving Tanne more freedom that Cutler.
     
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  18. Fin D

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    Why does that seem illogical to you?

    Are Cutler and Thill the exact same person with the exact same brain and exact same problems on the field?

    The point is, just because X worked for Cutler, doesn't mean it will work for Thill, as they are human individuals and likely have different problems that require different solutions.
     
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  19. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Because Tanny wanted more. Simple as that.
    Tv analysts? Club members here know more about this then them


    I'm pointing out, Tanny was given more freedom than is being portrayed, and Manning and Rodgers are NOT given the freedom that is commonly believed. Before this year how many of us heard, or believed, Manning could call his own plays? How many years did we hear he was basically his own OC? Jeff Saturday and Aaron Rodgers said that's not true.

    That's all I'm pointing out. I'm not arguing Tanny should be given more or less freedom. I'm just pointing to the facts and pointing out that he was limited but not the BS spewed earlier he was only allowed to run a play to the left or right. That's just flat out. Wrong information. He was given a LOT of options and I'll leave it at that.

    He was not involved in the game plan which is his major beef. I'm confident Gase will give him the freedom he needs to succeed because he did just that with Cutler. That's the only thing I'll predict.
     
  20. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There is no question? What is the NFL norm then.tell us.
     
  21. Finster

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    In the english language, we call this a qualifier;
    Definition; b : a word (as an adjective) or word group that limits or modifies the meaning of another word (as a noun) or word group.

    Hope this helps.

    :yes:
     
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  22. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Honestly I don't know but when I hear current and formerly players saying that he has less flexibilty to audible I think the logical conclusion is they mean less than the norm.
     
  23. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    As I said the TV analyst was a former NFL QB (IIRC it was Trent Green but it could have been Beuerlein) who made the comment during one of the games this season. While I respect our Club Insiders I think a former QB would have pretty good insights into this matter.

    I agree with the rest of what you are saying.
     
  24. Fin D

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    Wait....do you think qualifiers work unconditionally?

    Because that qualifier has **** all to do with what I asked.

    A "one year window" has literally nothing to do with you not grasping the simple concept that Tanny and Cutler are different people.
     
  25. Fin D

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    Tannehill was given some abilities to change some things at the line. I'm not allowed to give specifics.

    It however is not audibling. It is not much more than nothing. If not being able to audible is 0 and being able to audible in a traditional sense is a 10, Tanny had permission to do a 2 or 3.

    Don't let jd get it twisted for you guys. He has the same info I do and he knows damn good and well, he's over selling this.
     
  26. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Lol, I guess it didn't help, oh well.
     
  27. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Stop being a dick.

    Explain how saying "one year window" has anything to do with what I talked about.

    Do you or do you not understand, that even if you were talking a 20 year window, that Tanny and Cutler are different people and likely require completely different solutions from Gase? You act like because he limited Cutler's responsibilities that Tannehill would require that same solution. Its asinine. As is your complete and utter lack of understanding simple concepts. Like two people are different.
     
  28. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Lol, funny stuff coming from you, you should repeat that into a mirror every morning, it might help.

    You or I have no clue what he's going to do, one can only look at past actions of a person to TRY and predict what the future may bring, add to that what our coaches have said of Tanne being thrown out of rhythm by being given more control at the LOS and you have what would be considered a fairly decent assumption that Gase won't be giving Tanne MORE control than Cutler.
     
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  29. resnor

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    Depends. Did Gase take the audibling away because it affected rhythm, or did he take it away because he didn't like the decisions Cutler was making?

    Seems to me, if you have a QB who is making good decisions presnap, but it's affecting his rhythm, you don't take away the ability. You work with the QB to process and make decisions faster, so as to not have his rhythm affected.
     
  30. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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  31. djphinfan

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    He's trying to get a tv gig for next year.
     
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  32. jdang307

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    well he didn't say anything controversial


    This was also reported

     
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  33. Nappy Roots

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    Shocker....

    Wait no it's not...


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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  34. Itsdahumidity

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    They've seen him in practice, they've seen him in games. The org knows what he's capable/not capable of first hand. Not given the freedom to audible means the coaches believed THill would do more harm than good.
     
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    Yeah... those coaches made many great decisions.
     
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  36. Colmax

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    Hope this pisses Tanny off. Could do him some good being critiqued out in public. He'll work hard for it. Who knows what the results will be, though.
     
  37. Fin D

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    I think motivates is a better term. Not all people do better at a given task when pissed off.
     
  38. Colmax

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    Totally agree.

    Kind of implied it by saying he'll bust his tail otherwise.
     
  39. Fin-O

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    First time I actually listened to these clips, I think he gave a very honest assessment...I actually remember making a comment a long time ago about the "babying" that seemed to be going on.

    Indictment on our former idiotic coach Philbin, who may have ruined Ryan's career tbh. A lot of potentially good QB's are groomed by the wrong staff never to be heard from again. Chad Henne is a small example of that. If Tim Couch is in a better system and surroundings he may very well have had a good career.
     
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