They've made the EXACT same number of Superbowls without Vinatieri, and have been in position to win all 3. Lost two due to insane catches by the opposing team (and almost lost a 3rd due to those insane catches). So yes, you can separate Vinatieri. Vinatieri is the 15th most accurate kicker in league history. He's not even in the top 50 in the playoffs. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/fg_perc_career_playoffs.htm He has an 82% playoff accuracy %. That's kind of terrible. Do you even remember he missed 2 (one blocked) out of 3 FGs against Carolina???? We have now entered silly season.
As for game managing Tom Brady. You guys love Tannehill's yardage total so I give you Brady, in his 2nd year of starting, 3rd in the league, throwing for 6th most yards. Sure it was a shi**y 6.3 ypa, but yall don't care yall like yardage totals. Pop quiz. Who led the league that year in TD passes in 2002.
To use vinieteri for any point your trying to make against Tom Brady or for Ryan tannehill is well, frustrating to say the least..there is no relevance.
Yeah, I guess Vinatieri didn't make all those big kicks in the playoffs and Super Bowls. I guess when talking about the Patriots postseason success, the only one deserving of the credit is Brady. He is, after all, the only player out there. He also won two Super Bowls with kicks.
Interesting note on the 2002 season was that it was the first time since 1993 that no QBs threw 30 or more TDs in a season. Hasn't happened since either. Odd.
LMAO you moved the goal posts so far it's in a soccer stadium now. Tom threw for 3 TDs and at the time the record number of completions against Carolina, but the kicker who made 1 of 3 FGs takes away from his contribution. Okay.
Well I understand why it's never happened again. Peyton whined about the Patriots DBs in 2004, new rule changes for that year, and records have been falling ever since. F*** Peyton.
How could you not? Facts in favor of them cheating to be good: - Tom Brady was a no one. - Belichick was a failure - They've been caught and punished for cheating more than once. - Doug Flutie accidentally outed the fact that Brady's headset always stays on. - They win no matter what changes on the team from players to coaches. Facts against them cheating to be good: - - - - There is literally nothing....not one single fact to illustrate/prove/indicate/or even point in the direction they aren't cheating their way to greatness. Nothing. Nada. Zip. They have nothing to stand on.
yeah its hilarious, it didn't help but belichick spied for over a decade, the nfl told him numerous times to stop and he kept doing it anyway, former patriot player says the defense was given all of the teams signals during the week, a cut player from a rival team said they were right about half the time on signals they stole, brady leaves his helmet mic on and is told where the blitzes are coming from, they stole stuff from hotels, stole playbooks, have a guy on staff that no one but bill knows what he does in the video room, and on and on, but none of this stuff helps, bill belichick a failed coach in cleveland, a failed coach in new england who inherited a team that went to the superbowl just 4 years prior, after the dismal start up here in 2001 there was talk of him being **** canned, all of a sudden drank genius juice and got good.. yeah bull**** if someone really can't see how this guy scammed his way to the top with help from the nfl, that is on them.
I haven't moved any goalposts. I also have never, repeat NEVER, claimed that Brady wasn't a contributor. I said Vinatieri was key to winning. If anything, you guys are ones claiming that players don't contribute, it's all the QB when they win, and on everyone else when they lose.
Are we really debating Tom Brady with other Dolphins fans???? If they love him so much get on their board. This is ridiculous. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I hate him because he cheats and gets every break under the sun. Tuck rule? Illegal batting?? All garbage calls. The NFL wanted the Pats to win in 2001 because of 9/11. They wanted an American themed team to be the best in the world. Enter the tuck rule. And they have been getting babied ever since. That's why I hate him.
I didn't say you said he wasn't a contributor. I said you are taking away part of Brady's contribution and handing it to Vinatieri. Making ONE out of 3 FGs from 41 yards was the key to that Superbowl. Okay. Out of the top 50 in playoff field goal percentage. Okay. The long snapper was key to those Super Bowls too. Really good. The placeholder too. Vinatieri is responsible for the greatest kick in history ... against the Raiders. His kicks against the Rams and Panthers were not all that special. Maybe the rams, being 48 yards. Luckily it was in a dome. He's only made 82% of playoff kicks which is 22nd among active players. If he doesn't miss a FG earlier he doesn't need a game winner later. That's like saying a running back was key to the runs, even though he ran for 2.2 ypc, because he scored a last minute TD from the 1. There are 20 kickers who could do what he did and in fact, NE got rid of him and signed Gotskowski and got in position to win 3 more Superbowls. Vinatieri is a 82% kicker in the playoffs, Gostkowski 92%. He's probably the most overrated player in NFL history. He isn't that good and is below average. I'd give you 2002 but that's about it. The next two Superbowls were all Brady. Vinatieri was JAG in those super bowl runs.
I will never be convinced Chad Henne was not ruined by his "developers" his style of play as a QB changed drastically from Michigan to Miami.
He was the same guy at this level as he was at Michigan. Maybe slightly improved... but that's a very small margin if it exists. I think that really reveals a lot about his "developers" though. It's not like player development has been a strong suit of our coaching staffs in the last 10-12 years. Chad Henne simply wasn't good enough. He didn't really get much help and didn't really develop much either. Whether that's on him, or coaching, or maybe the fact that he had just already hit his ceiling (if you want to call something that low a ceiling, that is) in college. That's coming from a Michigan fan... Chad Henne just wasn't that good, period. Combine that with some poor coaching, and you've got a player who's not going to improve, and quickly jumps to the list of 2nd round busts. I never hated Henne. Wasn't overly thrilled with him. Thought though, if we could develop the guy, he had a chance. It just never panned out for the player, or for the staff. Neither were good enough.
Chad played with more confidence in himself at Michigan, he didn't look like a scared to make a mistake little boy like he did in Miami.
[video=youtube;bR2b2BI6sxg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR2b2BI6sxg[/video] his best pass play as a Dolphin... [video=youtube;9dRz9WCgXRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dRz9WCgXRU[/video] couldn't resist this one [video=youtube;6AT6Q4PuGyg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AT6Q4PuGyg[/video]
He was good for like 2-3 years. LT is the most overrated position in all of football. If you can get a top 10 QB vs the #1 LT you take the QB every single day of the week. Having the best LT and Chad Henne is like having the ultimate unbreakable front door to fort knox, meanwhile the side and back doors are made out of wood and held in by rusty nails ... with no gold inside. It's pointless. At that time the Giants and Steelers were winning multiple superbowls with LTs that had never even played the position before, ever (Diehl) or some that were just crappy (Max Starks).
A game manager is exactly that. Like I said, he's smart (rarely makes mistakes) he's hardworking (he is always thinking about the game) etc. He doesn't, however, make throws the caliber of the Peyton's, Marino's, Rogers, etc. He relies (and I don't blame him) on a great defense and a great coach. Oh, and cheating. FYI, in 2013 Brady was ranked 17th. He's averaged 7th best QBR since 2001. In 2001 he played in every game. He was 22nd because he missed 2 quarters?
He has a pretty quick release. However, his WR's play a HUGE roll in allowing him to dump it off 0-5 yards down the field while being blitzed. However, when Brady is pressured without a blitz, he has one of the worst QBR's in the league. As we've seen time and time again...Brady wilts under pressure. When he doesn't have that 0-5 yard outlet he curls up in a fetal position.
Since 2007 he's had to "carry" the team more often. And he's failed a lot in that role. He's had some success. He hasn't played well in big games since 2007. Or the 4th quarter.
You are severely underestimating his outstanding ball placement and his unmatched ability to know where everyone is on the defense post snap. I know you hate him and all, but you are taking this too far.
Smart?..yes, but how much of that is cheating? Accurate?...out to about 10 yards. Anticipating? Specify your claim so I can understand in what situations you're speaking of. Because if it's while under pressure, no, he is not. If it's not under pressure, yes, but again, cheating. Leader? Maybe, but I think he's more of a favored mama's boy.
He's a known cheat. That is fact. It is inarguable. What's Twilight Zone is how people ignore it and pretend how cheating doesn't make him "great".
Honestly, when it comes to DJ I don't think that's it. I think DJ is desperate to believe in greatness. So he finds Brady and Belichick and chooses to ignore the truth and just believe in them. DJ, doesn't have an agenda with Thill, he has an opinion. I happen to think that opinion is wrong and is colored by that same desperation to believe in greatness, but its not an agenda. Other posters? Yes, absolutely, they felate Brady and Belichick because they have anti Thill and Dolphins Coach X agendas, but not Deej.
A lot of guys are filled with hate on here. DJ isn't, he's passionately hopeful but when that hope doesn't come to fruition he gets passionately frustrated. Other guys.....just want to watch the world burn....lol
