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Ten Easy Ways for the Miami Dolphins to Clear Cap Space

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by thetylernator, Feb 12, 2016.

  1. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    No worries - just surprised that would be the case since there is nothing to restructure is all. This is wakes last year under contract. One thing people are forgetting is he is hurt. If he decides to sit out this season, or most of it, to be 100% he gets paid no matter what. So 2017 he would be a free agent. Could the dolphins cut him - yes they could. However, he would be a 1.4m cap hit. He would be sucked up faster then white on rice. Then the Dolphins would be on record cutting the best edge pass rusher they have had in history because they can't properly manage their cap. I think heads would role if that became the case and set our defense back considerably.

    The other thing the guy who wrote the article is again inaccurate about is - cutting Brice McCain to save 2.5m. You don't cut someone who is a free agent. And we are not saving anything - we now have to replace him and chances are we will pay equal to or more for someone with his experience.

    Seems to me he desired to create a feel good article and didnt do his homework
     
  2. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    I just wanna chime in on 2Socks' earlier post. I think he is spot on about Wake not wanting to come back on a reduced incentive based contract. I think most players would be opposed to this especially if they knew someone would give you the money as straight salary. Players understandably want security. If they sacrifice their body getting into peak physical shape, and wind up getting injured, they want the security of their base contract. I would absolutely hate incentive based contracts as a player. Look at how many times OV got a knockdown on the QB this year. Those were great plays on his part, but they happened to be close to a sack, but in his case, definitely not a sack (for the terms of incentive based contracts). Or look at times when Wake has rushed the passer, and the opposing QB stepped up into the pocket delivering a sack for an interior defensive lineman. Again, a great play on his part, but no sack would be awarded to him. The fact of the matter is, if we do not give him his $10 million, someone will (or at least get very close to that). I think the only reasonable option for both sides would be to restructure with more years, and the question is, do we really want to do that?
     
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  3. vmarcilfan75

    vmarcilfan75 blah...blah...blah... Club Member

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    if Jordan Cameron is cut i wouldn't mind replacing him with Dwayne Allen. Don't think it would cost much
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good point, let's see, he pushes off the right foot in his three point stance?, did he tear the right Achilles ?
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i agree, plus he's been underpaid here during his stint, I'd lower his number but not an incentive deal.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I believe we heard news when it happened that it wasn't a full tear, I expect him to be ready to go..no one will strengthen the leg harder, he gets off on this sh&& and we already know this athlete is wired different, completely explosive and fast twitch...44 inch vert...id take a bet that he's ready to go 100 percent.
     
  7. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    So their option, as speculated by everyone, is to keep him at that price or cut him and gain the $8.4 million in cap relief such a move would bring.

    But there is another option that has not been considered anywhere I've seen: Extend Wake while restructuring his deal.

    The Dolphins could tell Wake's agent they want to keep him at a more palatable price while also offering maybe a year or two more on a deal that could give Wake roughly the money he was expecting in 2015 (maybe even a bit more in the form of a bonus) while giving the Dolphins cap relief and a couple of more years of service from a player who has otherwise been productive and a hard worker.

    It would be smart for the Dolphins to offer this because, let's face it, they don't have a ready replacement for Wake at this stage. Dion Jordan was supposed to be that guy but, well, drugs and the suspensions his addiction wrought have made that seem unlikely.

    Olivier Vernon is a free agent and as the team has not approached him about an extension, he's likely headed to the highest bidder in free agency. Derrick Shelby, who now becomes a starter, also is unsigned for 2016 and likely headed to free agency to the highest bidder.

    And so from the team standpoint, keeping Wake for a couple of years at least as a pass-rush specialist and doing so at a lower cap charge could be a benefit.

    But remember I told you this would probably be Cameron Wake's call?

    In that scenario, Wake would have to 1. Agree to extend while restructuring the 2016 deal and 2. Want to stay in Miami through the possibility of a rebuild.

    I use the term rebuild in the sense the Dolphins may have a new head coach and new defensive coordinator and thus a new defense in a few months. And As Wake has been through three defensive coordinators already, he might not be eager to through another he cannot necessarily pick.

    So how could Wake pick his next DC? All he has to do is decline to restructure or extend. Call the Dolphins' bluff about not paying him $9.8 million in 2016 and see what happens. If the Dolphins cut Wake, he'll be a free agent.

    And my guess is someone else will pay him.

    And my guess is Wake might want to explore that possibility because that would allow him to chose a team. This is where I remind you Cameron Wake has never played in the playoffs. He just finished his seventh NFL season and seventh season with Miami and has never competed in the postseason and will not this year, either, regardless of whether the Dolphins make it or not.

    That has to factor for Wake.

    So maybe he wants to go to a team that has a better chance to make the playoffs than the Dolphins. Maybe he wants to take a shot at winning a Super Bowl ring.

    Remember that about this time in his career, Jason Taylor decided he needed to try and get in the playoffs for one final shot at a ring. He didn't get it. But he did get to the AFC title game while the Dolphins missed the playoffs (again).

    The point is Wake might want this also.

    If he does, he will have options.

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...ame-for-the-miami-dolphinsis-real-but-th.html
     
  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I think that giving Wake guaranteed money beyond 2016 is very dangerous. At this point, no one even knows if he'll be fully healthy to start next season, and if he is, how effective he'll be. I fully understand that its a possibility, but I'm not for it. If I had to choose between the possibility of a large dead money hit a year from now, or just cutting him now and setting him free, I choose door #2.
     
  9. dgfred

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    I didn't say 10M to 4M for goodness sake. Don't want to cut him... got to do something.
     
  10. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Gotta get rid of Grimes. Gotta get a read on Dion. Cameron was such a waste last year, restructure at least.

    Shelby, Wake and OV is pretty critical.

    Misi is done. Give Miller his money.
     
  11. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    They got to do something because they blew their wad on SUH and Tannehill.

    Why does Wake now have to make up for their mistakes - because he's hurt? To me that's complete BS. And we wonder why these guys are how they are about getting paid.

    It's called having Integrity and paying the man the money he is supposed to get. Now he's hurt and all of a sudden it's were done with you - take it or leave it. They pull that **** on Wake and I will have lost all respect for this organization
     
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  12. dgfred

    dgfred Free Agent pickup

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    What about a solid extension... say 2 more years with decent money? I like him alot and always have... we are just in a great big mess. He did get an extra-good last deal right?
     
  13. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    The guy is my absolute favorite. When I think about excellence - Cam Wake comes to mind. When I want to show my players what I mean by punching someone in the mouth I show them videos of Cam. He is a Beast. Top Notch person and top Notch Professional. Humble as they come.

    I have to say in my life I have really only had 3 hero's(if we want to call them that). Guys I respected completely. Marino, Zac, and Wake. Leaders among Men.

    For a minute I want to be selfish and say yes - one last good deal. But everything inside me wants to see Wake hoist that Damn elusive trophy. Maybe GOD"S plan for Wake is just that. Let's just hope it is here with the Fins!!!!
     
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  14. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    The top 10 players under contract make up 87m of 154m cap. That leaves 67 m to 43 players. WOW
     
  15. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I actually come up with 109.115m. So...worse. However, half of those could be gone soon, and Suh can restructure. Thankfully, in this case, we have a roster of big and small, and not much in the middle, so the team can make it work. Its very possible that only three of the top twelve players go into 2016 with the cap number they currently hold (Tannehill, Albert and Pouncey).
     
  16. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    We can make it work but at what cost. This is my point. If you look at the teams that are the better teams they have one or two at the top - not ten and a bunch at the bottom. We lack the middle. The middle is the team.

    Lower paid players are lower skilled players. If we are ever going to get back to glory we have to build a solidly skilled team with those middle of the road players and then one or two of the high guys to put us over the top. I am afraid the front office just doesn't get it. I mean it is the blue print of the New England patriots and is the main stay of why they compete for the super-bowl year after year. Guys are willing to take a little less if they think they will get that ring- they buy in for the benefit of the team. So the end result is better talent for less then they would get elsewhere. Why the Miami Dolphins front office can not understand that concept eludes me. Tannenbaum came in here and immediately pulled a PR stunt to get people excited about the team. Well that PR stunt is now coming back to haunt us. Why in the world he Gave Tannehill what he gave him is beyond my comprehension. In reality he took a bad roster and made it worse-much worse. Tannenbaum all by himself set us back years. Now instead of having one of the best caps in the NFL and being able to cherry pick those additions to the team that would of made us better we are robbing Peter to pay Paul. WTF was Ross thinking. Did he not see the mess Tannenbaum created in NY. I would have to say he didn't because the man simply does not understand football or what kind of GM, VP Of Ops he needs.

    This concept unfortunately takes several years to achieve. I would rather have the front office set out a plan and tell us how they are going to fix this mess instead of stop gap after stop gap. When I heard the statement by Ross today I was not surprised. But I have also seen Red flags form Gace also. Gace hiring inexperienced coaches to help him, when he has never done this himself is a recipe for more mediocrity, now couple that with the front office giving him a few talented players and a bunch of so so talent and it will be hard for him to be successful. I guess Ross's comment could have been taken many ways but publicly letting your head coach know he has 3 years to turn around what in reality is probably going to take 5 is disheartening to hear. Ross has now drawn a line in the sand and recovering from it will be difficult to do.
     
  17. Pauly

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    Agree totally about Grimes. In at least 2 games last year he gave up TDs because he put his hands on his hips and started walking after a WR caught a ball elsewhere on the field and he didn't hustle. After the season finished I looked at nfl.com highlights made by other teams against the phins and saw on an awful lot of them that Grimes showed no hustle especially in the second half of the year. By my count there were at least 2 times he could have prevented a TD and another 5 or 6 times where he had a decent chance to do something, but he was just walking around hands on hips.

    Grimes has always been a give up big plays/make big plays kind of player, but last year he gave up a hell of a lot more than what he made.
     
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    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    You got that right - my bet is OV holds out. Tannenbaum just round-housed him when he wasn't looking. This will set the tone for negotiations across the board.
     
  20. dWreck

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    I hope someone overpays for OV and takes his penalties with him.
     
  21. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Nah, I see the transition tag as like saying I'm just not that into you. OV is gone. Tannenbaum must know this, we'll see what he has up his sleeve. There were rumors we could bring back Coples at a fraction of what OV is gonna get.
     
  22. Pandarilla

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    Yeah, he gets a bit overzealous. He could mature, but he was good for about 20-30 yards a game. He can get pressure though, no doubt about that.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    ''very dangerous'' is not the words I would describe wakes future..you know what your gonna get, lets stop pretending that the achilles injury on his left leg will end his career, the guy had his best stretch of games, 6 months ago..stop the hyperbole.
     
  24. Finster

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    WADR, you seem to be looking at the injury as a minor setback, it is a major injury at any age, and he's 34, at the end of his career regardless, without the injury he might have seen a big drop in his play/ability to stay on the field, not saying he would, but at his age it can happen at any year, his career/ability to rush the passer, possibly being over is not hyperbole, it's more than likely at this point.

    That being said, I'll be rooting for Cam Wake no matter where he is, and would love to see him beat the odds, again, no matter where he is, I'll always be a Cam Wake fan.
     
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  25. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    DJ, I was ready to move on from Wake prior to the start of last season. I wanted the team to extend Vernon (along with Miller) before his contract expired so we didn't end up exactly where we are. Now, maybe Vernon's people weren't down with that, and so the team couldn't. Maybe the previous regime were just short sighted. I don't know. But the injury only reinforced me own beliefs. As Finster said, Wake is near the end, one way or another. Pass rushers in their mid-30s just hit a point where they can't do it anymore. Look at Jared Allen. He's younger than Wake is. DeMarcus Ware is too. Freeney, Mathis and Suggs are all about the same age. Its going to happen, and the team needs to be ready.
     

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