There is a better chance of Ryan being a Hall of Famer than you being in your 50's. GREAT cover up strategy though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Now i think Tannehill should be elite? Can we get to "good" before we start hoping for elite? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Case closed. Dont worry, i have no desire to have you kicked out of here. You make me laugh Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Why do you do this? You complain that Tannehill isn't showing he's elite in his first four years (arguing he's not "good" is stupid, cause he's at worst good). I'm saying, most guys aren't "elite" in their first four years. Why are you guys expecting Tannehill to do things that guys who we know are elite weren't doing in their first four years?
Stopped reading at "he's at worst good".... He certainly CAN be, but there is absolutely ZERO logical evidence that your statement is even close to accurate. And if his worst is good then what in the hell do you call his best?
Consistent 4k passer, 60+ completion %, 20+ tds, low ints. Projects to finish with similar numbers to Matt Ryan and Andrew Luck, barring none of them improving. Yeah, I can certainly see why you would say it's not logical to call him at worst good.
4000 yards is not exactly some rare feat these days, for example more than 1/2 the league had a QB throw for over 4K yards!! Barring injury you would've had over 20! 60% ehh...you know 25 of 32 Qbs in the league achieved another RARE milestone you are hanging your hat on....ecspecially when you are in the bottom half of the league in YPA which explains why he is top 10 in attempts but bottom half in yards per game. 24 Tds? Stop the press! Good enough for 15 out of 32 Qbs and had a couple others been on the field? He moves even further down the list and his Td% which factors in Attempts?? Laughable. Ofcourse when you see that 20 out of 32 rating I think you have to concede he is truly "good at worst" So essentially on paper Ryan is somewhere between 20-24 statistically, although I personally give him a 5 or 6 spot nudge all things considered. I have hopes for a huge jump in production, I don't think it is inconceivable he can bounce back and maybe even find a way to stay a Dolphin in 2017. But to claim he somehow has already arrived and is "good at worst" is an obviously flawed view, especially when you are beating your chest over "4k yards, 60% Comp %, and 24 Tds"....something that doesn't appear to be all that uncommon in todays game.
Well, if you ever figure it out, I was in college when in it came out. That should give you an idea of my age.
The funny thing is, if the Dolphins had made it to the playoffs the last two years people would be calling him great and the next "elite" QB in the league.
Well let's talk about that. The year our defense was 8th in the league (offense still rocking that 26th) we needed ONE win in the last two games vs 2 sub 500 teams and we were IN. You know what we got? A Qb who just needed to not suck who in those critical games averaged a 43% completion percentage, 143 yards passing, with 1TD and 4 turnovers. Meanwhile despite the short fields given to the Jets and Ryans 3 2nd half interceptions the Dolphins defense that the Ryan lova's like to point a finger at? Allowed 19 and 20 points in those games, certainly good enough to be in the playoffs, our victimized offense?? 0 and 7. He was young and the pressure of the situation obviously got to him, certainly forgivable but this certainly is a talking point when the masses cry "he's never had any help" errrrrrrrrr
Then what is your post insinuating? You stated that "defense wins championships." Afterwards, you made a list of QB's that won SB because of their great defenses, all of whom won prior to major rule changes beginning in 2004. And in your example, you cite NE prior to 2004. Prior to 2004, you didn't need an elite QB to win a SB. Dilfer, Johnson, Brady (at that time), etc... were all capable of winning championships because the game was defensive oriented. That's no longer true. It's the reason dolts like Wanny thought Fiedler could take us to a championship, back when our defense was in its glory. Era does matter. Today, the idea of Fielder taking any team to a SB is beyond laughable. And I'll bet money that Denver doesn't repeat. Hell, I'll bet money they don't even get back to the Superbowl (ala Seattle). Peyton Manning winning a SB as a game manager was the first of its kind in this era and I don't think it will happen again anytime soon. Having a QB capable of playing at en elite level to win it all is a virtual, must.
Seattle made two bowls winning one with a bottom 3ish oline. You don't need oline to win in this league.
when you make statements like this it makes me feel that you dont know how to watch a player in isolation and come to a conclusion about the talent..
Fin-o....heavyweight on this board..may be controversial, may be enemies of some of my friends, but I respect, cause you just cant fu$$ with this dude and win, you wind up looking silly...
But you do need to be able to account for that bad oline, like running the ball, allowing the QB to audible, better play designs, rolling out the QB, etc. Why is this so freaking hard to grasp? Yes, Thill is not the first or last QB to deal with an epically terrible oline, but he wasn't effing allowed to do a single thing about it because his OCs were inept and they refused to do anything to help.
I'm blushing, here. I don't want to be an enemy though....I have love for all my Phin's bro's in the end.
Brady didn't come in and start setting any passing records, that's for sure. He was a short passer, with a great defense and a great special team.
Look at his numbers in the superbowl. They were terrible. The defense and Vinatieri won that game. Brady just didn't lose it.
Yep, that final drive to get them into FG range Brady did nothing. Gotta love 79 yard FG's Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes you do. See Brady and Rodgers, the best two QB's in the NFL and how their olines derailed any hopes of winning a championship. Russell Wilson running around in the backfield, buying time, is part of what makes him special and unique. Using him/Seattle as an example to prove your point, is cherry picking at its worst.
No... in his 2nd season, Brady took over after a couple games for an injured Bledsoe and threw for 18 TDs, 12 INTs, 2,843 yards, and a 6.9 ypa and 86.5 PR, which was a very Bledsoe-like season. His first 4 years, Brady totaled 69 TDs, 38 INTs, 10,233 yards, and a cumulative PR of 86.0. His highest YPA was 6.9 during that time on some very good teams. It was 5th year that things started to click for him personally and he moved away from the "game manager" moniker. By his 8th year he and the Pats started running up scores on people with the 2007 record setting season...
The common denominator from this year's AFC playoff teams to Brady's 1st Super Bowl year is that if you want to have a QB get the ball off in 2 seconds, you need to have WR that quickly get open. Denver and Pittsburgh offer that most interesting examples of how they've transition their WRs. Their fan bases were not up in arms when this happened, which provides another interesting contrast to how this board would react if we signed Wes Walker and Emmanuel Sanders and allowed Eric Decker and Julius Thomas to walk. As fans, I think we might have overvalued the athletically-gifted WR that carry our fantasy football team while missing how many athletically-gifted 250-300lb players the NFL now has. And how many critical games are now decided by which team wins the pressure match-up versus the old running game logic of who wins the trenches. Hopefully, we have a staff that recognizes what successful teams have realized so they can identify/develop WRs to outpace the pressure and coach a QB that can effectively deliver the ball in these situations.
Every QB on the league is helped. However, you know as well as I do that when it comes to division games you can basically throw everything out the window. Ask the Pats why they lost home field throughout the playoffs this past year if you don't believe me. Every season, for whatever reason, we usually split with both the Bills and Jets. That's not an excuse, but it is something to consider. Tanny stunk up the place those last two games. But trying to pin the losses solely on him is far fetched. The entire offense played like crap. And didn't Moore come in and throw 2 INT's in the Buffalo game?
no, as a matter fact it was really split up here when bledsoe came into the afc championship game, when brady went down with an injured ankle. a lot of people wanted to keep drew in for the superbowl. neither one exactly were good in that championship game(bledsoe had a td pass) and what won the game for the patriots was the steelers threw 3 int's and lost a fumble and the patriots didn't.
Its not far fetched, he was horrific. In the reason I brought that up because we have a handful of guys who claim Ryan has had no supporting cast his whole career when in fact that is false. All he needed to do was score 20 points one time against two bad teams then he would've been a quarterback but got his team to the playoffs. Opportunity was there, he failed. Really no denying that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
