Nope, I would of been furious had he gotten any credit for the W. However, Tannehill is still average... and overpaid, forgot that part. He is a role player that we pay to be a focal point.
I said RW was good. You need to move along. The fact that you think the seahawks roster/staff and miamis can be even comparable over the last few years is a joke. Couldn't even care less about the 1 time their o-line was worse than ours if we are looking at the grand scheme of things. He's the most sacked QB in the nfl over his entire career, and if you think that's solely on him and not primarily because of the line and his lower-than-mediocre coaches chaining him to the pocket, then you're biased.
4200 yards 24-12 62% comp 4000 yards 27-12 66% comp 4000 yards 24-17 60% comp If THAT'S his "average" performance with the supporting cast and coaching staff he's been stuck with, then I'm keeping him here for his entire NFL career. It's okay. In your mind, football teams only have 1 position, and Teams can only go to the playoffs and beyond based on their QB and zero other factors. Your posts make that apparent.
It takes a stout TEAM. All the focus on Tannehill in particular, is a fallacy. Is there room for improvement? Of course there is. But look at the 1986 season... Dan Marino was one of best QBs EVER. In 1986, in what may STILL be the 2nd or 3rd greatest season a QB has ever had, the Dolphins went 8-8. That 86 team had 6 pro-bowlers and 2 1st team All-Pros, 3 Ring of Honor winners and 1 HOF'er. 5 of the Pro-bowlers were on offense with Offerdahl being the sole pro-bowl defender. Marino threw 44 TDs that season. The next highest number of TDs by a QB was 25. Marino was not just an elite QB. He redefined the term and was light years ahead of his peers. We went 8 and 8 due to the defense blowing goats and we had no running game. We had the #1 passing and scoring offense in the entire NFL, but the 26th ranked defense. Put the pieces in place around Tannehill, then worry about replacing him if he can't cut it. That is what Gase, Clyde, and Joseph are here to do now. YMMV.
Hahahahahahahahaha i love how you cherry picked the stats and left out his woeful YPA of years past. And his TD total is actually sad.for how many times we threw the ball.
Its not comparable, Seattle has a huge advantage on defense and............its coming..............AT QB.
And thats what is happening...he is getting a 5th year to "prove something" and thats a good thing. But, if he doesn't make a jump in his performance? You have a better chance of being the QB of the Miami Dolphins than Ryan does.
I love how you ignore every fact I throw at you. Embarrassing. Those are pretty much the 3 baseline stats for a qb. I didn't cherry pick them. Sure there are other stats that are huge as well. But you are pretending like they don't matter, so like I said before, you do not have a fundamental understanding of football and have a warped reality that sees it as a 1v1 league.
Yeah. Good thing Tannehill outperformed him in their head-to-head, in their house. I'm aware RW is better. But i'm also aware that there is a team factor involved as well as his stellar play. and it plays a HUGE role in his success. I'm not going to neglect that 'just cause'. oh and, News Flash, Defense affects offense as well. Let alone when you have the best defense and the best runningback in the NFL. Does RW still go to the Superbowl if his teams defense is ranked 20th instead of 1st, and Lynch didn't have the years he did? No. He doesn't. Regardless of how amazing he is.
I bet I played more downs then you ever have. Truth. And you leave out the fact we throw the ball at an insane rate which makes 4K very easy. Isnt that what all you fanboys are crying about now, that we dont run the ball.enough?
I played from flag football at 12 years old up to collegiate level, so please enlighten me. Again. Embarrassing. We throw the ball at an 'insane rate' Because we're playing behind almost every game and have an offensive line way below average?
I can say, with the UTMOST certainty, Tannehill is not as good as Big Ben, Romo or Brees. Notice you need to make excuses for Tanny with the oline. Do you even remember Pittsburgh during their super bowl runs and how many times Big Ben was running for his life? Ben was a master at avoiding pressure or outright breaking tackles and still was sacked heavily from 2006-2009. Yet he still put up some amazing years statistically. Put on the tape of the steelers from 2006-2009 and I doubt you'd find a lot of difference.
You made the mistake of trying to insert a head to head point. Next time just remember all the QBs who have the head to head on your buddy.
Again, My issue is we will probably never know what we had/have in Tannehill. If people want to pretend the o-line hasn't been a problem and down play it like he isn't the most sacked QB in the nfl, then okay, that's up to you. My issue goes beyond the o-line. The team, the coaches, the FO, and the o-line It's hard to argue he has been put in a position to succeed. I personally think he's done pretty damn good considering.
Tannehill has proved something - that he can put up 4000 yards and 24+ TDs behind a shatty OL in a one dimensional offense where the defense knew he was passing it and did so while being the most hit, pressured, and sacked QB in the game and working from 3rd and long most of the season. Imagine what he could do with better protection... Adam Gase is widely acknowledged for his football and QB intellect. He no doubt looked at a lot of film of Tannehill before agreeing to become the HC. If he didn't think he could work with him, I highly doubt he would've taken the HC gig and risked his reputation and future on him otherwise... And again, Tannehill represents like the 5th position on this team that needs addressing this off-season... DB, DE, LB, OG, and OT all need to be addressed at a higher priority...
Nice try? did I say this was a competition? YOU brought up that you 'have played more snaps than I ever have', which is more than likely wrong, and you wouldn't even have a slight clue. "ages played" has no correlation between how many 'snaps' you have played. You could have been on a bench for 10 straight years. you're counting 'snaps' from when you were 5 years old. LMFAO. Are you dumb? Get out of here. You are impressing no one. are 1v1 NFL tickets cheaper than normal ones in your fantasy world where QBs don't have teammates?
Does RW still go to the Superbowl if his teams defense is ranked 20th instead of 1st, and/or Lynch didn't have the years he did? Or maybe if the entire coaching staff is the garbage we've had? The apparent argument is that RWs excellence is so stellar and above tannehills, apparently his teams superiority as a whole means nothing. Edit: I was 'editing' my post before you even replied. That is why I mentioned spam refreshing.
He actually isn't the most pressured QB in the league.... And I don't put any credence into a 4000 yd season these days, I'm not a stat junkie. If i was I would call Matt Stafford one of the best QBs the past 5 years, but that would be stupid. And Iam confident Gase can get better production from Ryan, but not from a statistical standpoint but from an ability standpoint. And you are absolutely right those things need addressed this offseason before anything else....we will cross the Tannehill bridge when we come to it.
it's utterly astounding to me that people don't realize how the cards are stacked against him (and then blame him for it). When teams can permanently tee off on him freely, you're not going to see all star numbers.
What QB has been pressured & sacked more than Tannehill over the last 4 years? I'll wait for that one.
Probably not....but that same defense and RB doesn't go to the SB without the playmaking ability of their young QB who made HUGE plays when it mattered. You are confusing the topic, Wilson is a better QB regardless of X. He is just a better football player than 80% of the Qb's today, if you want to take it as a slight at Ryan then thats on you, but it isn't.
Denver pretty much literally just proved this wrong in the SB. They have a HOF QB in the argument for GOAT, and could have had a waterboy or me or you playing QB this Superbowl instead and still possibly have won. It's not on me. I'm not the one who brought any of the RW stuff up. You're saying RW is better than Tannehill, That's fine, but it's a lot easier to say that when the roster and staff he plays with have been so monumentally different and are literal universes apart.
. the article from PFF from May says that RW had a slight bit more pressure than Tannehill, yet Tannehill performed quite a bit better while under pressure. Then of course if you add sacks to this at all, Tannehill completely blows it out of the water.
Their defense went on a monumental run making Big Ben, Tom Brady and NFL MVP Cam Newton look pedestrian. They have the best DC in my lifetime, 2 insane pass rushers, athletic LBs and the best (and deepest) secondary in the league. You don't see defenses carry teams through an entire postseason very often, not sure what the point of all this is? What does it have to do with our situation?
There have been quite a few really good defenses over the past few years making it to the big game if you haven't noticed. Maybe not the level of Denver, but still really good. "what does this have to do with the situation"? There are people that appear to operate under the impression that QBs don't have teams around them. These people are the ones calling Tannehill 'bad'. That may not be you, but I never directed that toward 'you' in the first place. We may have seen the max of Tannehill, we may see him in his best form soon, or we may just never know what 'could have' been. An argument can be easily made that he's done really well with what's around him.
I never said he wasn't average. I said it's hard to 'really' know because his team his complete garbage and his staff has been comically worse than that. It's easily provable that he's done pretty well considering the circumstances. Does RW win the superbowl if his defense is ranked 20th instead of 1st and Lynch has an "okay" year?
You bring up a good point...Ryan IS amongst the best from a statistical standpoint vs pressure and amongst the bottom teir(20th) rated when facing no pressure? So if you want to reference things like "stats" then this tells you Ryan is a better QB when pressured......sooooooo......who needs a better OL if our Qb performs worse when given time? I understand why that stat is flawed, just like I understand how "FOUR THOUSAND YARDS" is flawed. I don't pick and choose like some folks.
Just because I give 4000 yards to tannehill as a feather in his cap, doesn't mean I think it's some major accomplishment. You all really seem to do a lot of assuming when that comes up. 4000 yards as a blanket statement is agreeably pretty meaningless. But Getting 4000+ yards for 3 straight seasons with the supporting cast he's had, while defenses know they can stack the box and tee off on you freely actually does mean something. Amplified more so by the fact that he was a mobile QB being chained to the pocket and not even allowed to audible.
Over the course of his short career, I'd be surprised if he's not among the leaders of working under pressure. We watched Brady, Palmer, and Newton crumble under the sort of pressure Tannehill routinely faces... My point on the 4000 yards and 24+ TDs was only that he has produced enough from both a statistical and ability standpoint for Gase to decide he could work with him. Hoping for the best. Completely agree on your last sentence...
Isn't it amazing how people continue to go there, that's a real headscratcher. The argument of convenience that will always backfire, you would figure that would be learned by now.
Why don't you compare Big Ben and Drew their first 4 years only? Put RT on their teams those 4 years... what ya got? Why are y'all comparing anyway? Can we get Big Ben, can we get Drew this next time? Could the Dolphins offense compare to either of the SB teams this upcoming season WITH RT? I think so. Could the Dolphins defense compare to either of the SB teams this upcoming season without MAJOR overhauls? I don't think so. Why all this discussion (by some) about the one thing that is not changing this year no matter what unless injured? ? ? Crazy.
