Greg Jennings: No one knows if Tanny can be great: treated like a child

I am 100% confident that Jennings is doing everything he can to keep his roster spot/salary.

 

So what that Lazor had a good year? The sane issues were there, lack of run game, poor oline. He doubled down this season on that, and the rest of the league apparently figured out his offense.

Also, yes, I do get tired of saying the same thing, and having the same people ignore it, and act like the only problem is the QB.

 

WHO thinks the only problem is the QB?

 

Over the course of a career, every QBs stats are going to fluctuate so drawing conclusions on who is ascending and who is descending based on a single year isn't very meaningful. By that standard Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Andrew Luck (just of the top of my head) are descending. I like Carr and think he is going to be a good QB but at the present time he is in the same bucket of players as Tannehill.

As for Cousins I think the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions.

 

How can I be taken seriously? I'm twisting things out of proportion?

You literally said I made a sttaement about the consensus feeling negative about Thill. Where the **** did I say that? Quote it right goddamned now!

In fact, it was Fin-O, (the same person who thanked your post, btw) that said there was a consensus about Thill that was less than stellar and he did in this goddamned thread:

To which, I said:

Jesus christ. How the **** is this not trolling? You insult me for something I didn't do. Why the hell are you allowed to keep posting?

Then on top of it all, you're too goddamned ignorant to realize that you guys are the ones being impossible. You guys are the ones saying X QB wouldn't have the problems here, and I ask you for evidence then you turn around and tell me its not possible to know and further more expecting a answer makes me the unreasonable one.

Its ****ing insane.

Prove your bull**** stance on Thill, show me QBs that have overcome what you expect him to. If you can't do it because its impossible, then its equally impossible for you to have your stance.

THAT, is a fact. THAT is logic.

 

Ahem. Just today:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...-mock-draft-whiteside-mcroberts-tv-notes.html

And he had one of his better years. Just like Tanny had his best year under Lazor. Hmmm ...

Time will tell how much "freedom" Tanny gets and/or deserves.

 

Two things:

- According to Fin-O & Finster, even having this info is impossible so clearly you're a wizard.
- So?

 

*Ahem*

Limited audible latitude is a massive improvement over "zero" audible latitude.

Also under Lazor, with no audibling, was the majority of this season, which was not as good as 2014. So, I guess we can assume that attributing the good to Lazor, one must also attribute the bad.

 

Wiiiiizard sleeve!

 

I wouldnt let Tannehill audible if I was a HC/OC either, lets see him get good at all the basics of football first. Seems to me the guy struggles with understanding the game of football.

 

You guys are taking a perfectly logical argument and crapping all over it by claiming you can know something factually.

What if I don't think Bill Lazor is a bad OC? My REAL feelings are irrelevant but lets play this silly game.

Your argument isn't valid because Bill Lazor is NOT a bad OC.

There ya go, entertain me with your "facts" as to why I'm wrong.

 

Good coaches don't get fired mid-season. Good OCs don't abandon a perfectly good run game.

 

He abandoned the run game. He had poor play designs with receivers bunched up too much. He didn't let Thill audible. He did precious little with the oline or to mask their deficiencies. He rarely rolled Thill out.

He was terrible. This is fact.

You also have no business complaining that people are disregarding your "perfectly logical argument" as that is literally all that is happening in here.

Case in point, our argument about opinion and not knowing what goes on with other teams, supports my stance, not yours.

 

I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone watching Lazor was trying to get fired.

 

Then he should rot. If that's true he was screwing with too many people's livelihoods and health.

 

He had the ability to change the play in many ways. He wast allowed to just call anything he wanted willy nilly. But he had A LOT of freedom at the line. It just wasn't carte Blanche.

Fin D is thanking your post but he knows the exact specifics of what he was allowed to do. Very specific info.

 

He did not have a lot of freedom. He had the option to pick between dog **** to the left or dog **** to the right.

 

Haha... maybe they should have made those play calls. Every time I see a 2 yd running play I say there goes 'my HS's name' right.

 

Yes I do, and your characterization of it, is horsecrap.

You also have no frickin idea how similar or disimilar Cutler's limited audibles were to what Thill was given.

 

So comical. You can check in on any page of any of these Tannehill threads at any time and it's the same arguments on both sides over and over and over again. Ireland threads were so much more fun.

 

Jennings has been in the league for some time and played with a number of different QBs, so I'd think he would have a pretty good understanding of what audible adjustments a QB can make. If Tannehill's ability to audible wasn't limited more than usually, why is he making an issue of this?

 

That's fair. I wouldn't try to change your mind on that.

 

No he didn't and you know that. You have either forgotten or intentionally misleading.

 

Name me one OC that has succeeded with an average at best QB, a bad OL, a bunch of #2 WR's, a QB who's head coach babied him, and a QB that couldn't take advantage of his route concepts.

What?

You can't name ANY OCs who have been through this?

Guess its a fact.

 

He played with Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre who have both earned the right to have massive amounts of freedom and responsibility.

Martz took away Cutler's ability to audible. He hated it, but he had his lowest (until Gase) INT rate in Chicago under Martz. Cutler was expected to make a lot of line calls and audibles under Trestman and he was benched last year. Gase comes in, and takes away his ability to audible and there you go, lower INT rate.

Not saying Tanny is Cutler, because Cutler can be a gun slinger. But the ability to audible isn't the panacea this board is making it out to be. You can audible into a worse play depending on what the defense is showing or worse, hiding.

 

Or Philbin threads. You know who ended on the wrong side of both those ... not me!

 

Here is a good article re:Cutler and Gase. Kind of gets me really excited about Gase by the way:

The bold is EXACTLY the type of language Campbell used in describing why they limit Tanny's options at the line. Now, Campbell and Lazor could be 100% wrong. That is not out of the question. But you have to accept, they could be right as well.

 

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...lack-of-freedom-on-audibles-um-coach-sea.html

http://www.thephinsider.com/2015/10...-of-the-week-can-ryan-tannehill-audible-maybe

Knowing what Gase did with Cutler, makes me feel really good about this next year. He's not just going to hand Tannehill audible powers just because. If Tannehill gets that ability, it's because he's earned it and proved he could handle it. And that's a great thing.

 

Jennings also played with Bridgewater and you would think that would be the benchmark he was using since the other two are future HOFers.

I don't think Cutler's inability to audible has any bearing on whether or not Tannehill is any good at it. Jennings said that Tannehill wanted more freedom. To me that suggest that he was seeing things at the LOS and wanted to check to another play but couldn't. Hopefully that's a positive sign. The new coaching staff is bound to give Tannehill more freedom, at least in preseason so we will get a chance to see if he can make the proper adjustments. I don't think there is any question that being able to successfully audible will help the offense.

 

Which is how it should be... EARNED, I would like to see him EARN it but I do believe he cant handle it. So prove me wrong Tannehill, nobody would be happier then me.

 

He still has to make the right calls. A brilliant passer may be confused by a defense and call the wrong play. Time will. What I just looked up about Gase reassures me that Tanny won't be given those reins without earning it, so we're all good.

I don't predict or guess as to whether he can, or cannot handle it. I won't project here. I'll wait and see.

 

No, you're wrong and you know it. You're just trying to get me to say something I shouldn't.

We both know what he was allowed to do, and to call it limited audibling is ridiculous.

 

You still don't understand.

If you can't name the QBs that went through the same things as Thill, then you can't claim he's doing poorly for his situation. I never said it was a fact, I said since you all seem to know he's not doing well for his surrounding then clearly you must have done some research.

You admit you haven't.

 

You need to review some threads in the club forum. A few posts answering your question you personally asked.

I'll PM you the exact posts if you wish.

 

I ended on the wrong side of one of those.

 

No I don't.

You're just being you're typical shady self.

The options Thill was given was not audibling nor was it consistent as he often wasn't even allowed that.

Stop lying, just once.

 

No, I claim he has underperformed and thats not being harsh. His surroundings were bad...that doesn't mean he is a good QB in a bad situation.

 

yeah, you don't want to review it because you know you're wrong. I'm 100% right on this, anyone in the club can verify. You tried this same BS in the Club, and was provided info that proved you wrong. I figured you'd stop with this nonsense but here you are again, repeating the same wrong info.

This is Jeff Saturday, who was under center for both Manning and Rodgers.
http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-p...ers-peyton-manning-doesnt-and-neither-will-he

Most people think Peyton Manning calls his own plays but he doesn't, and Aaron Rodgers angrily pointed that out.

Manning goes up to the line and maybe has 4-5 plays he can pull from based on what the defense is showing. Not even he has the full playbook, from the mouth of Jeff Saturday. Tannehill is given wide freedom, just different freedom, than this. His options were more than what is described by Jeff Saturday, but different.

Lazor is on record by saying Tannehill is given more freedom at the line than any QB he's coached. Whether that means QB coach or any kind of coach I don't know. But seeing as the freedom Peyton and Rodgers have, is not as expansive as many believe it to be, shows Tanny wasn't as handcuffed as much as is made out to be.

Was he handcuffed? Yes. He had a lot to choose from at the buffet line, but the entrees were all lightweight compared to the turkey and roast beef Manning and Rodgers got. But they are HOF bound.

Tannehill was given a lot of freedom at the line, and it was more than run this play to the left or right as you misrepresent.

Here is Lazor talking about all of the options he's given.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-bill-lazor-ryan-tannehill-20151015-story.html

That's not, 'run a play to the left or right.'

 

You can't know that, unless you have something to compare it to.

 

Some more, run the play to the right or left.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-notes-1120-20151119-story.html