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Alex Smith or Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Shane Falco, Jan 9, 2016.

  1. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Yes it hasn't wavered it has consistently been biased against Tannehill going back to Mike Wallace. But it isunfair.

    And what the **** are you watching? Tannehill looks fantastic when situations allow. But you will lump any positives into what you call "padded stats".

    I don't care what you post. As I said your Tannehill bias is clear as day.

    And btw I know you tried to cover your *** before the Pats game started, but how confident are you that Alex Smith with his 5.5 ypa and with his best receiver will score enough to have a chance?
     
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  2. jw3102

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    Crap around him? I would take the WR's and RB's Tannehill had this past season over the what Smith had to deal with over the Chiefs last 10 games and not think twice about it.

    I don't think Smith is a top tier QB. I see him as just a very average QB who had a decent OL and a top 10 defense to lean on.

    Of course I see Tannehill as a very average QB who had a lot of talent at WR, TE, and RB, but a bad OL and a below average defense.

    So basically I see Tannehill as a QB comparable to Smith. Neither one of them are good enough to ever lead a team to a SB, but with a lot of talent around them on offense and a top tier defense, they can get a team into the playoffs.

    I think you need an elite QB to make it to the SB in today's game. Neither the Chiefs or Dolphins have one of those type QB's. Tannehill will do for now, until hopefully the Dolphins are able to draft a QB who can eventually get to that elite level.
     
  3. Fin-O

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    Again, u are so butthurt that Alex was given props for what he is done that its your opinion that is bias. I have called Ryan an average QB, and that has been generous this season. And yes, he looked great against Baltimore and the Giants...when he has more freedom at the LOS, very little pass rush and bs weak secondarys. Great indeed.

    Alex Smith isnt good enough to beat NE, but watch how he keeps plays alive and is veey good on the most important down in football.

    Is Alex better than Ryan? As if right now there is no evidence he isn't, besides some "hope" from a few homers.

    Ryan has done some good things late in the year that we HOPE will carryover, but as of now its just that. Hope.

    Oh look, Smiths 3rd-3rd down conversion this drive....pretty meaningless I suppose


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  4. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Im sure Ryan would have 3 3rd down conversions and a 4th down conversion on one drive.

    That drive was Alex Smith, but ill wait and see what his boxscore says before I judge his game though. [emoji3][emoji51][emoji51][emoji51]


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  5. number21

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    The game is basically over. The pats offense are going in for another td.
     
  6. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Im not butt hurt that you compliment Smith. But I'm not wasting any more time. You have dug you heels in when it comes to Tannehill. You can't be objective. You clearly minimize Ryan's good play and magnify Smiths.
     
  7. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Wasting time making false accusations? No loss here, I have praised Ryan on games he played well and criticized when it was deserved. Do some research before you try to lump me in with some anti group. Or dont...and continue to sound ridiculous.

    Alex has some intangibles Ryan needs, take that and run with it all you want. Im just laughing at ya.


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  8. Fin-O

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    Soooooooo, that means those plays that prove his intangibles never happened?

    Tom Brady is on another level, I wasn't expecting KC to win this game. Doesnt change my opinion on what Smith does well.


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  9. number21

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    Someone could tack up those good plays as "padding stats" during garbage time.
     
  10. resnor

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    Intangibles are pure bull****.

    Is it easier to maintain td%, completion %, ypa, etc when you throw 300 times or 500 times? Everyone yells and screens that Tannehill has "volume stats" (Lmao at the new way people have come up with to denigrate our QB), but that's why you look at averages. Tannehill had basically the same averages as Smith, even though he threw way more. Yet Smith is getting roundly praised by the anti-Tannehill crowd on here.

    It's ludicrous.
     
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  11. Sleepy

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    KC's O-line is trash. Smith has been running for his life this whole half.
     
  12. Mcduffie81

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    All I can recall of your posts (in which I didn't even get involved with) was that Tannehill is awful at throwing deep and Wallace was being held back by him. I see these ridiculous posts of yours and I put 2 and 2 together. But Iill get right on that research.....not.

    I have all the evidence I need in this thread. You don't have to care. I'm just stating the facts as I sort through all the bull**** I see on here and who it's from.

    Im not a blind optimist and it isn't just "hope". Tannehill has SHOWN me and you that he has the ability. I recognize it, you don't.

    "Laugh" all you want. You're acting even more moronic with comments like that
     
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  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    When you do your search, be sure to search under the name Fin-Omenal to get the true picture of his belief.
     
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  14. Mcduffie81

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    I know who he is thank you. But I'm not going to bother. I really don't care enough to. His posts here in this thread are all I need.

    According to him so far in this thread alone Tannehills positives are due to garbage time, crappy DBs or just empty volume stats.
     
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  15. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, I figured. LOL
     
  16. DolphinGreg

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    The AFC is terrible. Every single good team has been badly banged up or has simply fallen into disrepair. The AFC went from having all these great teams with great QBs to being weaker than Jesse Pinkman at the end of Season 2...like heroin needle still in the arm weak. The only legitimate team left is NE.

    Seriously...who thought Alex Smith had a chance to go into NE and pull that off?
     
  17. pumpdogs

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    While I am not a Tannehill supporter I do not believe Alex smith is a better qb.
     
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  18. Mcduffie81

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    Wouldnt "support" be the wrong word? Or do you mean that?
     
  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    He means it.
     
  20. Fin-O

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    Stopped reading at intangibles are BS. I have a very low opinion on your aptitude in regards to this game.

    Again, bringing up numbers to this argument is as STUPID (Report me) as comparing wins. Alex Smith isnt a great QB, but he is an asset to his team. If you dont agree then fine...but dont act as if my evaluation is way off base when you constantly suck off a QB that has been average to below average his whole career.


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  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    If you can't define something, how can you say it exists? It's another way you've found to crap on the QB of the Miami Dolphins.

    As to your opinion of my "aptitude," I couldn't care less. You've shown to be a revolving door of a myriad of pathetic arguments against Tannehill.

    You're sucking off Smith right now, and ****ting on Tannehill, when the reality is, THIS SEASON, Tannehill's fourth and Smith's 11th, Tannehill had basically exactly the same stats as Smith, except Tannehill threw more times and got more yards. Their td% is almost identical, their ypa is almost identical. The difference? Smith is in the playoffs, so of course you parade him about as better than Tannehill, and a bigger asset to his team.

    Your shtick is tired and old. I have never acted like Tannehill is an amazing QB. All I've ever done is argue against the ridiculous arguments that get made. For that, I get accused of sucking him off.

    How reasonable.
     
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  22. pumpdogs

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    That's what I meant.Just being honest.
     
  23. Mcduffie81

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    Ok. That's fine. I thought maybe you meant didn't "believe" in him.
     
  24. Limbo

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    Or the difference is that Smith was 10th in the NFL in passer rating, and Tannehill 21st. Or that the Chiefs had the 9th scoring offense in the NFL while we sat at 27th. These things should be given consideration when looking at a QB, imo. Smith uses his legs better than RT as well, just off the eye test and their production (Smith was up near 500yds at 5.9ypc, while Tannehill had 150 at 4.4).

    I wouldn't call their ypa 'almost identical.' The difference between those numbers is pretty significant. Tannehill was 21st in the League, while Smith was 14th. That's not negligible.

    Smith had a better year than RT. Not by a wide margin, but it was better. It is what it is. I do think they have similar tendencies and play-styles, which is why I compare them. Conservative, accurate, plus athletes who could engage that more, low-key demeanor, need a strong roster around them to contend.
     
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  25. Fin D

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    They also had the 12th amount of rushing attempts while we had 32nd.

    Rushing. You know, the other offense.
     
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  26. resnor

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    Rushing.
    Rushing.
    Rushing.
    Rushing.

    It makes a difference.

    Look, Smith had a 7.4 ypa, and Tannehill had 7.2. That's almost identical.

    Smith had a better year? By what metric? Wins? Playoffs? I mean, you can't discount the tan around each QB, and you can't discount the run game.
     
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  27. Limbo

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    If you can't see the difference between 7.2 and 7.4, I can't help you (or 7.18 and 7.42, which is what they were to the hundreth). Again, they finished 7 places apart among NFL QBs. That's a large gap, especially when only 12 teams make the playoffs. If you're not open to admitting you were a bit wrong on something, then I'm done.

    Yes, KC ran the ball more. If you think Tannehill is better than Smith because KC ran the ball more, then okay. I don't know how you want to weigh rush attempts with QB performance, but imo it doesn't erase the areas where Smith was just better.

    I think he was better based on a bunch of things put together. He was more efficient per-pass, his passer rating was higher, he turned it over less, his offense scored more points, converted a higher % of 3rd downs, his team won more games, and he made more plays with his legs.
     
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  28. Fin-O

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    You sir are incapable of a good argument, now im "crapping" on Ryan?? Lol, get his testicles out of your mouth and learn SOME objectivity.

    Such a double edged sword, Club with egos? Or mains with morons


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  29. resnor

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    So sad. Back to the ignore list.
     
  30. resnor

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    Who cares how many spots apart they were? You're talking about tenths of a yard per play. This isn't like 7 vs 8. If anything, it shows that using this stat here is sort of meaningless, since they're all so bunched up so closely.

    Yes, rushing makes a difference. Tannehill was asked to do more than Smith. You don't think that makes a difference? You don't think a solid run game makes the QBs job easier? You don't think having a balanced offense benefits the QB? That's weird, you seem to disagree with most people who talk about football.

    I don't think Tannehill is better because HC ran the ball more. I think that Smith benefited from a stronger run game. You phrase that in a way to make my position seem ridiculous. Again, though, if we follow your comment to its logical end, you're arguing that the run game has no effect on the defense they're facing.

    I like how Smith uses his legs, and I think in that regard, Smith is better...however, Tannehill was clearly dealing with injuries that affected his mobility.
     
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  31. Limbo

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    10 of the 12 playoff QBs finished with a better ypa than Tannehill. It matters. The only two who didn't (DEN and HOU) were winning a garbage division or running a first-year starter out there.

    I think running it more makes their job easier. But how much easier? Because KC's offense wasn't just a little better than ours. And Smith wasn't just slightly better in passer rating. There's a disparity in performance and results, and I don't think more attempts by a few backup RBs accounts for it.

    And either way, the point I've made many times is how comparable the two of these QBs are. They are very similar in terms of skillset and tendencies. That's my bottom line. If you're okay with having Alex Smith as your QB for the foreseeable future, then you stick with Tannehill.
     
  32. Fin D

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    12 of the 12 playoff teams all finished with more rushing attempts then we did. That also matters.
     
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  33. muskrat21

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    Tannehill beat the patriots, Alex Smith didn't.
     
  34. resnor

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    My problem is, that Tannehill is doing in his first four seasons what it took Smith almost a decade to do, and you're saying Tannehill is no better than Smith. All while Tannehill has had to deal with basically the worst line in the NFL for four years, receiver issues for the first three year, and an inept coaching staff for most of his young career.

    But, yeah, Tannehill is probably at his ceiling.
     
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  35. pumpdogs

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    I Agree Tannehill is slightly better than smith but dont.fool yourself.The pats played not to get brady hurt as his 6 first half attempts will tell u.If they had the same game plan they did tonight and with Edelman they would have beat us by 20 or more.Not to mention they don't lose up there with the refs in their pocket
     
  36. Fin-O

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    Your PROBLEM is you keep googling stats as a reference point. You must have missed the way Alex moves in the pocket and keeps plays alive and more importantly drives alive.

    You keep saying "it took Ryan 4yrs what Smith did in 11" yet Ryan doesnt do those things in the pocket nor is he anywhere near Smith on the money down.

    Smith may not be a better QB but he certainly has had a better year. No it has nothing to do with wins, no it has nothing to do with stats. Has everything to do with intangibles which you claim is some mythical made up factor. How convenient.


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  37. Fin-O

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    You fit right in. Now everything Ryan has ever done well i think is due to "garbage time".

    Very false. There have been games his NUMBERS have been bad yet i felt he played well. The issue here is you guys want to use an ESPN stat box to tell you who is a good Qb and who isn't.

    I called Ryan a top 10-12 QB this past summer, yet when he played poorly? I changed my tune. This isnt about picking some sides and teaming up to form some geeky internet unity for or against Ryan, its about giving an honest evaluation when need be.

    Ive spoken of his disadvantages due to surroundings as much as the next guy, but I also speak of his flaws as an overall QB thst only he can improve on, not his supporting cast.

    Problem is? A few if you cant handle that last part. And frankly that's your problem not mine. I call it how i see it, and in 2015 there was more bad than good with our Qb. But please, keep calling my opinion onesided and biast, because obviously nothing makes me happier than the qb of my fav football team playing at a low level, makes a ton of sense.


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  38. Finster

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    Intangibles don't exist, lol, shut the box because now I've heard it all.
     
  39. roy_miami

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    The only people that actually believe that belong in the Ryan Tannehill fan club.
     
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  40. resnor

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    If you can name it, then you can find a way to track it, thereby making it not an intangible.
     

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