I wasn't talking about the events - just the way it's being portrayed. As for the walk-thru - he should have chewed their asses out. They were there to for a specific role - help the offense get assignments down, not to be showboating and joking around. Pretty sure you'd have been mad too if you were working with a struggling offense on assignments, routes, timing, and what to do in certain situations and some clown was being a distraction. Too me this was just another indictment of how inept Joe Philbin was as a HC. No one took him or the team very serious. And if Tannehill hadn't said something to these guys, the narrative would have been that he lacked leadership and let these JAGs walk all over him. And this isn't about Tannehill per se; any starting QB who is focusing on being prepared should have acted in the same manner IMO.
Right... and Tannehill beat out Moore, who was a turnover machine between INTs and fumbles - and who had his feelings hurt over it at the time. We also paid David Garrard to come in as a FA and be the starter. Probably would have worked out better all the way around if Garrard hadn't blown his knee out and Tannehill could have sat out the 2012 season instead of tossed out to sink or swim.
LOL @ David Garrard. We would have been fine with Moore handling QB duties before thrusting Tannehill in there.
I think that playing out of the box likely helped RT get better going into 2013, personally, Get some of the hiccups out of the way. Three of the worst games of his career, no surprise, cam in his first 10 (Houston, Tennessee and @ Buffalo). 8/13 of his interceptions as a rookie came in those. He's only had three really bad games like that in the three years since, so I think he took his lumps and got it out of his system.
i spent 7 days at that training camp, tannehill was clearly better than the other two especially the scam artist that is david garrard..
It was such a farce bringing him in. Not to mention needless reps were wasted on him that the other two could have used.
I don't disagree but this shows the team didn't respect Tanny. Sure a few individuals do. But they don't do this to Brady, Manning, Marino, Rodgers etc. I don't think he acted wrongly he should be pissed.
CKP posted that afterwards the defenders all tapped his helmet as they passed him in a sign of respect.
I am not sure what I keep reading here. Play better? In what regard. The guy put up 4000 yards passing again. What does he need to do put up 5000? I mean really. Have we seen and studied the passing tree routes and the design of some of this garbage. My team has better plays that I designed moving safeties and linebackers to create passing lanes and a place to go with the ball. Passes and play action to set up the run/pass. Is the line a factor. Yes it is. But the play design, calls and scheme to open up other things is much worse. There is no method or design to the madness. No real formation design to expose defensive weakness' so we can take advantage of them. Excuse the Punn but I have seen high school teams with better designs then this team. Pretty sure that is not on Tannehill.
Lol, a couple players tapped his helmet to console him because he was upset/distraught. Where were these defenders when their fellow defenders were behaving badly? Why didn't they tell them to cut it off? Why didn't Suh or Wake say, knock it off or you're never getting on Manhattan?
I'm holding out a little hope that Logan Thomas turns into something, especially with a QB guru here now. I wonder how they felt about him over the past couple months, whether he showed any signs, etc. Not that he's real competition to Tannehill this year.
Do you have more hope for a QB guru to make Thomas something then you do for that guru to get Thill over the hump?
LOL uh no!!!! but nice try. Moore was never given a fair shot. a turnover machine LOL. talk about making stuff up.
Have you ever seen an effective teacher say "either you get this right or that kid over there is going to take your spot!"
They must like him since they let Jeff Linkenbach go when they had zero OL depth in order to protect Logan.
The players screwing around during walk thrus weren't disrespecting Thill, they were disrespecting the coaching staff.
You really want to go down this route again? Ok: which QBs have been successful when facing the following: 1. One of the worst, if not the worst, olines in the league for 4 years 2. Poor receiving corp for the majority of their first four years 3. Poor offensive scheme 4. Inept coaches 5. Below average defense So, while there have been QBs who have been successful with a poor oline, I have yet to see anyone answer this question.
Is that really what happened or just your personal take on it? We're talking about PS guys here. You'd hope the main defenders like Suh and Wake were doing their own walk thru and warm ups, yes?
I see you ignored DJ's post about camp in 2012... Matt Moore had his audition to primarily remain the starter in 2011. That season he tied with Blaine Gabbert for the league league in fumbles by a QB with 14. His last 6 games of 2011 alone he threw 4 INTs and had 8 Fumbles. What did I make up?
Absolutely! Not in your typical grade school kind of stuff but when performance of a group really matters, whether in athletics, music (like an orchestra, etc..) no question about it. And I'm talking about at the really high levels of performance kind of stuff, for professionals or wanna-be pros. Some teachers have the philosophy that you only get better if you break the student down, and some of them are very successful.
Not an accurate stat. Fumbles are different from fumbles lost - which were 6 for the year. He threw 9 int's, so the total turnovers were 15. Ryan Tannehill in his career has season turnover totals of 17, 20, 16. and 14. Also, let's not pretend Matt Moore was working with grade A lineman up there ...... does the name Colombo ring a bell? We talk about the substandard play of the O-line now, but not for him?
It works for some players and fails miserably with others at every level. You have to know your players and know what buttons to push or egos to stroke. There are countless books and coaching seminars on the topic.
This is just my opinion, but I would never want my starting QB to be coddled. It would set a bad example for the rest of the team considering that the position is looked to for leadership.
Yeah never disagreed with that. Just pointing out which buttons you push is a separate issue from whether competition is a good thing. Competition can help even when your approach is to provide encouragement. Anyway, what's really missing in this debate about whether competition is good is that we should be thinking about what's best for the team, not what's best for a specific player. No coach knows which buttons to push for each player. The team however will benefit with competition among players even if some players can't handle it.
He wasn't being coddled. It was a walk thru. It is literally the defense's job to just stand there in position as the coaches go through the motions. "intercepting" a "pass" actually interferes with that process. Its like doing a 20 minute guitar solo during a mic check...its pointless and just delays everything. Its also, once again, not the players disrespecting the QB. They were disrespecting the coaches.
If you believe that it was only the coaches, then let's substitute Tannehill for Marino. Do you think the players pull those kinds of shenanigans with him back there? I don't. While that doesn't mean Tanny is a complete turd or anything, it also shows they're willing to cross that line with him. That's not something you typically see when you fully respect a guy back there. IMO, seemed the guys had a lack of respect for both .... obviously a lot towards the coaches though.
Yes. Players have always pulled shenanigans....even with Shula. Look up David Hyde's award winning article on Jake Scott. Look at Butch & Sundance's SI cover. Read up on any number of stories about insane football players can get behind the scenes from Michael Irving trying to stab another player with scissors to Shula actually fearing Scott.
I'm aware of crazy player stories. I'm referring to players disrupting walk throughs when you've got an alpha back there at quarterback.
All kinds of practices get disrupted every year for all teams for all different reasons. If people didn't piss Marino off, we'd have never seen him get pissed. People have this romantic notion of the NFL and coaches and QBs that just isn't true. For example: If that happened to Thill, the local media and the negative fans would have 5 stories and 30 threads an hour going about how much the players don't respect him.
The Tom Brady missed high 5's? Really? You know players aren't all staring at him on the sideline all game long. I see there's still no tangible example and just generalities.
In 12 starts after Penny went down... You're conceding to him what you won't concede to Tannehill? I don't love either one of these guys, but I try to be fair... Of course Columbo was a problem, which is why we brought in Clabo, who was also a problem, and drafted James, and ended up with Jason Fox being as bad or worse than any of them at Right Tackle. Matt Moore wasn't expected to pass 40+ times a game though. The most attempts he had in a game was 34 for a 47% comp percentage where he threw 0 TDs, 2 INTs, and fumbled 2 times. As the old adage goes - The backup quarterback is the most popular player on a (losing) team...
Really... you don't think almost every NFL QB gets the #*#* from other multi-million dollar athletes occaisionally? Did you play at any level?
Then do the averages. We're not talking about a grand canyon of difference here. However, your description of Moore was far too superlative for my taste. I've never once said we didn't have a questionable O-line. However pocket mechanics can help to alleviate some of it. Moore was still able to hit big plays even with a turnstile RT. His managed attempts are what SHOULD have been the same for Tannehill. This team lost their damn minds trying to drop him back to pass 35+ times a game as much as they have.
DJ is entitled to his opinion, I disagree with his on this topic. Was that the last year Moore led them to a 6-3 record over the last 9 games???? oh yes it was..... Did you also know that his QB rating was BETTER then 2 out of 4 years of Tannehills and only 2 points off of being better then 3 of 4 of Tannehills? That Tannehill could have accounted over 21 turnovers every year he has been in the league??? sounds like the turnover machine to me. Did you also know your boy Tannehill has fumbled 9 times or more every year he has been in the league, yet never led his team to a winning record???