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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Brasfin, Jan 9, 2016.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Yup, my bad.
     
  2. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I was watching Local 10 news here in Miami, they interviewed five random guys that probably watch football if the TV is on at a neighbors place...

    1 says he likes the hire.

    3 says who is he, he has no experience

    1 says Tannehill is the problem

    Then they cut back to this amateur reporter that probably never watched football or reported on the NFL offseason, that said one thing they all agreed on is that its a good thing we hired a coach before the draft because then he can draft his own guys...

    Cause you know how frequent teams hire Head coaches after the draft.

    I wish i had turned the channel earlier but my hands were on food.
     
  3. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Im not sure those 5 randoms could have represented the dolphins fanbase any better.
     
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  4. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Hiney Pie?
     
  5. CoastieMike

    CoastieMike New Member

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    at least the tannehill guy knew what he was talking about
     
  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Sigh.

    Is there a sale on Tannehaters or something?
     
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  7. CoastieMike

    CoastieMike New Member

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    its been discounted for 4 years now when someone thought it was a great idea to draft a qb with 2 years college experience.
     
  8. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Low post counts...barely post. Alt accounts or Finheaven rejects polluting here.
     
  9. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Yup. Its like an infection.
     
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  10. CoastieMike

    CoastieMike New Member

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    or maybe not a blind fan. didnt know post counts make someone more of a fan than someone else.
     
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  11. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Can't call yourself a fan if all you do is complain. Nobody around here will take you seriously except the other folks who only come on here to whinge and complain.

    This is why the vast majority of folks here stay in the Club and out of the mains.
     
  12. CoastieMike

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    so fans are supposed to be content with mediocracy? the past 15 years doesnt allow us to complain, except the year of Pennington?
     
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  13. Fin D

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    I don't doubt you're a fan. I do doubt your football evaluation skills.
     
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  14. Hellion

    Hellion Crash Club Member

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    Yes we should have drafted RGIII. He had much more college starts.
     
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  15. CoastieMike

    CoastieMike New Member

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    anyone who believes tannehill has potential and that Gase can fix him is highly doubted in evaluation skills as well, which obviously is the front office.
     
  16. Fin D

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    Thanks, that was insightful.
     
  17. CoastieMike

    CoastieMike New Member

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    i know, the truth couldn't be any more obvious.
     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    lol. Yeah. Truth. Ok.
     
  19. Wildcat23

    Wildcat23 Here kitty kitty

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    Wasn't my first choice, but im no football expert. Im getting excited about this hire though. At the very least, the guy doesnt have a punchable face like philbin.; also seems way more interesting. All around I like the hire and the ceiling he brings, along with having a nice list of connections for filling out the staff.
     
  20. Hellion

    Hellion Crash Club Member

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    Taking the pesimistic pov is the easy way out. You can always go back on your opinion if proven wrong and either say " I admit I was wrong but happily blah blah" or " a clown can win with this talent" and save face. But if you're optimistic and wrong well your just a fool and they are geniuses.
     
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  21. brandon27

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    ... and lets face it. It's more popular to be negative about it, because the chances of a coach failing are so much higher, compared to a coach winning a super bowl, that's it just seems many would rather ***** about it and be negative, because it gives them the chance to brag down the road.

    Rather than do some research on the guy, and be objective about it.

    I don't get what Tannehill has to do with this... Sure, Gase is going to try and fix him. We all knwo the contract scenario though. If it works next year with Gase and Ryan. We're probably in the playoffs. If it doesn't, were likely developing a new QB of Gase's choosing and he gets that chance.

    The idea goal for this franchise IMO, is to find a coach, build a system, achieve success, which results in stability. The most stable franchises at HC, and of course QB are the most successful. That's the direction we need to go. This hiring, sets us off in that direction more than any other hiring could have. Except maybe Hue Jackson, but he's expressed interest elsewhere, so there's not much you can do about that.
     
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  22. padre31

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    What bothers me is the familar "out smart the rest of the league" approach, it does not work in Miami.
     
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  23. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    What's wrong with admitting you're wrong? I was all for Philbin at the time, I didn't know any better. I didn't read into the fact that he didn't call plays and was in no way responsible for Rodgers' success. You think its easy being pessimistic? I wanted the Saban, Cameron, Parcels, and Philbin hires to work out. I was for all of them. But I'm tired now, I've seen this movie before. Ross has shown to consistently make the wrong decisions with his hiring and firings. Tannenbaum ran the Jets into the ground. Now he's consolidated power on our team, promoted a yes man GM and hired a young, inexperienced beta HC coupled with an inexperienced staff. We just went threw this, we're doing it again? I pray that one day we'll get off the coaching carousel. But it looks like the Dolphins are going to keep doing Dolphins things. It never changes were this team.

    I do hope I'm wrong. Really, we need to be relevant again. But so far, looks like more of the same, just different faces.

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  24. Silverphin

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    Because, apparently, Ryan is a "coach killer". Never mind the fact that the coaches that Ryan "killed" were the same ones a lot of the board was complaining about.
     
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  25. Two Tacos

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    Yep, and the belle of the new coaches ball just booked Tannehill's dance card. Wonder why that is?
     
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  26. Hellion

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    I don't believe you want to be wrong for a second, i have read your posts, your need to be right out ways anything else..you have blinders on...you see things your way and thats that..you make a uninformed opinions and state it as fact without seeing any results from him in a new position...you cant "wait and see" because you assume (ignorantly) that because others have failed in a simular position with this team than Gase will as well and by DEFAULT it was a bad move...you skim the surface of a man and determine he is no good.

    You (and others like you) want to jump on the it wont work out bandwagon because its a cop out, its easy to say "see i told you".you play the percentages...trust me no one is going to mistake you as a football genius because Gase fails, by reading your posts i can determinie (as you do Mr. Gase) that you don't have enough logic or football experience to even have make such statements about Gase....

    Your are not fit for debate or discussion because you cant see your hand in front of your face..or see passed the possibility that he may actually workout as HC..No you play the percentages.. you are just like ALL the other pessimists.
    I wouldn't trust you or your opinion on anything because you take such a hard stance about this without having the fore thought of seeing that he could workout. Therefore how can i trust any other opinion you have?

    NOW, i am sure your not happy with my post,,,well that's because you probably have no idea what i just did,,,see i did what you are doing,,, i am taking a hand full of information about you and making a snap decision about your abilities as a fan and member here..I ignore any positive posts or ones that were well informed and debated well, i dont wanna see them because it doesnt fit my agenda..just like you ignored the positive things that Gase's players, peers and emplyee's ( who know FAR more than you or I) and ASSUME by what you see as a fact that he will fail...and foolishly because others before him have.

    Your not even willing to give the man time to screw up,,its just easier to piss and moan now and say "whoops guess i was wrong" in the case he does succeed.

    Gase was 4th on my list..and when i read that he was hired and so quickly i disappointed...but at lease I am open to the idea that this could be the right hire,,until he shows he isnt..its' called benefit of the doubt..try it..

    So you see i have judged you by the very same logic you judge Gases hire...see why people shake their heads at you and others?
     
  27. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    So we should just he happy and hopeful with whatever this team does? Sounds a lot like group think and god forbid I think for myself and question everything this team does. Let me ask you something, why should we expect this hire to work? I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I hope this team finally stops making dumb decisions. I hope we finally overtake the Patriots and make the rest of the division envious. I want us to put fear into the rest of the league. There's nothing about this hire that makes me feel giddy. I guess those of us who don't like this hire shouldn't voice our concerns and opinions. Let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya and hope for the best. Is that what you all do in the club? The supposed "smart guy" forum? I'll save my money then. I agree with guys like Ck most of the time. But I just can't on this one. And I still haven't heard one compelling argument about why Gase could be a successful hire here. All I've read is that Manning, Elway, Martz, Cutler, Fox and some players he coached say good things about him. But we hear that with everyone we've hired, I don't expect the people Gase worked with to badmouth him. Talk is cheap especially with the politics of the league, with some exceptions like players hating to play for Chip Kelly. I'm looking at stats, I'm using logic. This looks like a power move hire by Tannenbaum and Ross of course picked a Michigan guy which is typical. We bought into the hype. Unless he's bringing 2013-14 MVP candidate Peyton with him with all those weapons on offense they had. And I'm not impressed by his one year with Chicago. If he got Cutler to do that again the next year, then I would've been impressed. But well never know.

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  28. brandon27

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    Huh? Ross is a Michigan alum... Gase was at Michigan State with Saban. They couldn't be bigger rivals unless it was Ohio State... What a silly point to bring up..
     
  29. Fin D

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    Happy? No. Hopeful? Why the hell not? Its a game, you're a fan.

    Watch Ross' interview with Likens. Around the 6 minute mark he gives a very telling statement about seeing that Seattle doesn't have a system where its the GM's players and the HC's players, and instead everyone is all on the same page. That's telling because it shows what the major problem was here, it shows Ross recognizes it and it shows he's trying to tackle it.

    Gase's results do speak pretty highly.

    Saban took him with him.
    He was Kitna's QB coach when Kitna posted his best year.
    He was Tebow's QB coach when he actually started for the Broncos and they actually went to the playoffs.
    Say what you want, but Denver Peyton is not the same as Indy Peyton. They broke point records and Peyton couldn't throw like he used too. That's not small.
    Then he actually coached the uncoachable Cutler to his best year. They had a WR unit that was on par with Thill's first year thanks to injuries.

    Everywhere he's been his player or unit has exceeded expectations. And he's done by adapting to such diverse things as an offense with Tebow to an offense with Manning to Cutler.

    He was the top coach on every team's list.

    Retreads have failed here. College coaches have failed here. First time coaches failed here. There is no classification of coach left to try that we haven't. There's 8 head coaches on their first teams in the playoffs right now. That's over half.

    Calling this a power move by Tbaum makes no sense. Gase was Ross' favorite from the get, how is that a power move by Tbaum?

    In the end, he may suck, he may not, but hope is more fun then hate and again, its a goddamned game.
     
  30. Kud_II

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    I will give him a chance cause I have no choice, but based on the limited info I've attained so far this isn't the best hire for us. Hope he proves me wrong. Cause I'm getting a little sick of being the laughing stock of the NFL.

    It could have been worse. We could have hired Sean Payton. He was my worst nightmare.
     
  31. Nappy Roots

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    I keep hearing this, over and over and over. He did this with Tebow. And this with Cutler.

    Who cares? That doesn't make him a good head coach! What did Belicheck do as a coordinator? What did mike tomlin do? Mike McCarthy? Todd Bowles? Arians? Oops..

    How about Rob Chudzinski? Pettine? Whisenhunt?


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  32. Alex44

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    Well you're right, but people are going to look at his good attributes and accomplishments. No-ones previous accomplishments really mean much, but I'd still go with a good track record before a poor one.
     
  33. jdang307

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    I'm not negative on the hire. I'm neutral. But I think we always need to separate what makes a coordinator good, and what makes a head coach good. If you point to too many things a coordinator does well, well, they're not the coordinator anymore. For example, we hear he might be a QB whisperer. Great. Well as a QB coach and then coordinator he has a lot of time to do that.

    How much time is he going to have, to spend with Tanny as the head coach? He's being pulled in many different directions now, and he has all of those gum wrappers to pick up, and the curfew checks.

    He's also going to call plays which I don't particularly have any qualms about. Mike McCarthy did it. Gase can too. But it is a lot of directions to be pulled and you never now how a coordinator is going to handle being the executive, the CEO until they do it. Taking orders and giving orders are two separate things.
     
  34. Canad-phin

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    Love the hire. He designs the offense differently each week depending on weaknesses he seen on tape. This is something we haven't done ever. His biggest key will be who his DC will be and if he can help that unit out. The offense will improve under Gase. Denver is an interesting team to watch when he was there. Some games they would throw tons of screens and check downs based on the off coverage the d was playing the next week against a cover 2, it would seam pass after seam pass. Some weeks stretch runs and then the next week everything inside the tackles. God I'm excited to see this guy with our pieces on offense. If we decide to bring Miller back with Ajayi, Parker health, Landry and Stills hopefully more involved. Need to find the right guards for this team. We have the skill guys to be very successful, now with some better play calling.lets do it
     
  35. Fin D

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    I don't understand.

    What he did with those QBs shows he was able to coach them and he did by adapting to their strengths. He was the OC of an offense that broke the points record. He was the OC of a different offense that had a longtime vet put up his best numbers. How are those not things to look at when trying to gauge if that guy will be a good HC or not?

    Mike McCarthy's stint with SF as OC before he was hired as GB's HC, his offense was dead last in points and yards. He had success with as an OC with really good players other places.....kinda like Gase.
     
  36. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The last 5 head coaches who were hired to their first head coaching job while being in the 30s age range:

    Josh McDaniels 33
    Raheem Morris 32
    Lane Kiffin 32
    Mike Tomlin 34
    Eric Mangini 32
     
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    In Denver, he got lucky and had one of the greatest QBs land on his team. That was Peyton's offense and maybe Fox and Gase were smart to let Peyton do his thing. We saw Peyton decline this season and I feel it is due to the new coaching forcing their style onto Peyton. Now, you look at Cutler/Bears and their offense was barely better than the Dolphins. The Bears offense was nothing to get excited about. I feel that Coughlin would have been a better hire but the dumbass Ross didn't even give him a chance. The gaints offense was better than ours and the Bears. Plus, Coughlin is a proven winner. I'm tired of Ross picking these noob coaches. What did the past 3 noob coaches do? How many playoff games have we been to in the past 7 years? The only fix is of Ross to go!
     
  38. evo8904

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    I would have been excited about Mike Shula! He was raised by the greatest coach of all time.
     
  39. number21

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    Just smh man. You're a lost cause. A serious lost cause.
     
  40. Nappy Roots

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    So he is proven to be a good QB coach, great. Doesn't mean anything about running a franchise and being a head coach.

    I don't dislike the hiring. I'm just baffled people are fighting over this hire are bringing what he's done or didn't do as an OC or QB coach. Doesn't matter.


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