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Ross should move to miam or sell team.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Here’s an unmistakable truth regarding the modern NFL: Owners who live and work in the cities where there teams are located love competing against owners who don’t. That alone should be enough to get Ross to load up the truck and move to Hy-a-lee. (Ah.)

    Or, alternatively, it should get Ross to admit that it’s impossible for a billionaire who built a billion-dollar real-estate business that he still runs in New York to treat his billion-dollar sports acquisition as a casual investment or a hobby. The players, the coaches, the front office, and the fans of every NFL team deserve an owner who is all in.

    If Ross isn’t willing to do that, Ross should sell the team to another billionaire who is.

    That’s not to say Ross should be involved in football decisions. He needs to trust the people with the expertise whom he has hired to make those decisions. But it’s one thing to hire them, to trust them, and to be there to observe and to assist and to lend active oversight to tasks falling within the owner’s skill set. It’s quite another for the owner to throw the keys into the middle of the room, walk out the door, and ignore the ensuing scrum.
     
  2. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    I think where he lives is overblown. He obviously cares and obviously spends enough money.

    The issue is he's surrounded himself with the wrong people. Garfinkel, Higgins, Aponte, now Tannenbaum. Not a single football person among them. They're all business/cap people.
     
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  3. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Selling the team works for me.He is clueless.
     
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  4. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Why would you want Ross to admit that it's impossible for him to treat the Dolphins as a casual investment or hobby? Aren't you contending that he's already treating it as such by living out of state? (thus proving it possible)
     
  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Ross isn't a good NFL owner living in New York and moving to Miami won't change that. He doesn't get it. He has too much loyalty in under performing staff and reacts to failed results with half measures.

    It would be nice if he sold the team, but don't hold your breath.
     
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  6. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    unless he is jerry jones who is running the draft and everything else, i don´t see a reason why an owner should live in the same city where his team is located....just get a good coaching staff and a good GM who has a clue which players we need
     
  7. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Theory: Florio has a credible source that Ross wants to sell the team. When Ross sells the team, Florio can take credit!
     
  8. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Respectfully, I disagree that where Ross resides isn't an issue. But I have a good argument. Steve Ross likes to be in charge and to make all of the most important decisions about the team. As it's been put to me, he's the opposite of Huizenga in that Wayne began micromanaging everyone when he first became owner and gradually became one of the most hands-off owners in the business. Ross started off a little hands-off and just gets more and more involved in everything right down to free agency. Yet, he lives in New York. He's not in the building. He doesn't really know what's happening on a day to day basis. He puts himself in charge of all these decisions but he doesn't put in the work at the office to make sure he's got the best ability to make those decisions.
     
  9. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    At first glance, I thought your topic said "Ross should move to MAIM or sell team," and I was thinking he'd done a damn good job of maiming it so far.
     
  10. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I really don't care where he lives. While I think he does want to put a better product on the field, I think when it comes to being an NFL owner, he is totally clueless.

    It isn't about how much money he is willing to spend to bring in overpaid free agents. A good owner in the NFL hires the best people to run the organization. This is where Ross has failed completely.

    Tannebaum is not the right person to run football operations. He proved that when he was with the Jets and he proved it during the past offseason when he vastly overpaid for Suh and did nothing to fill the real needs on the defensive side of the ball.

    He completely overlooked the obvious needs on the offensive line and the fact is that the team on the field this year is the least talented team the Dolphins have had since 2007.

    Ross has not been able to put together a solid Front office and coaching staff since he became the majority owner in 2009. No quality football personnel men or head coaches have shown any interest in working for him because it doesn't appear he has a grasp of how to put together a FO and coaching staff which are on the same page.

    Whether he lives in Miami, New York, or China it really doesn't matter. The fact is that he is an inept NFL owner and unfortunately this franchise isn't going to ever be anything but mediocre or worse as long as he owns the team.

    Hopefully his children will be smart enough to convince him to sell the team and take the money and run.
     
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  11. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    don't play with my emotions :angry:
     
  12. KeyFin

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    Doesn't Ross live in West Palm during most of the season anyway? Moving to Miami isn't going to make much of a difference...it's not the hour commute that's the problem.
     
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  13. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Like many billionaires, Ross has a home in West Palm. Yet he flies down from New York for the games and flies back to New York as soon as the game is over.

    He runs his real estate business out of his New York offices and therefore he spends very little time in West Palm, whether it is football season or not.
     
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  14. djphinfan

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    who knows one day you might get your wish.
     
  15. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not sure I want Ross any more involved with this team, I'd much rather he sell it.
     
  16. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Hes not involved in any aspect of football operations and has okayd unlimited resources. Ross isnt the problem, the problem is he hasnt struck gold on who he hires.

    Believe me when i say the kraft had no idea that reject ex Cleveland Browns coach was going to get him to the super bowl. He rolled the dice and now he looks like a genius, but in reality he was lucky.

    None of these owners know a damn thing about football. Belichick retires tmr and Kraft is screwed.
     
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  17. DolphinGreg

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    I disagree with the notion that failure should be traced back to the owner. We're talking about a system with feedback loops at every level. It's hardly a straight line. It's a system wherein nearly every node is interconnected. Just like inserting an elite QB wouldn't fix bad defensive drafting or poor signings in free agency, pointing to Stephen Ross isn't an adequate explanation of why the Dolphins are struggling.

    The truth is Ross has made questionable decisions in organizing the front office which have affected the relationships of key figures. Ross is responsible for a less than reliable front office. That front office has drafted in a lopsided way and helped sustain bad coaching. That bad coaching has led to players not developing as we'd hoped. Now, we can go the opposite way as well and start with the under-performing players and explain why that's undermined the coaching schemes, frustrated the front office who aren't sure what they need do because of it and helped to create the right circumstances for Ross to step back in.

    The truth is, you can start at any level of this team (owner, front office, coaching, and players) and show why that level is hurting all the others. That also means you can show that each level is being hurt by every other level. It's just purely dysfunctional. I don't believe there is really a vision that everyone shares.

    What's nice about a player like Suh in all of this is that he brings an element of leadership because he's willing to stand up, tell everyone he's the best and ask the franchise to build around him. He's smart enough to realize that way is the only possible way things can progress. I think Ryan Tannehill's attitude needs to shift a bit (as does his play) insofar as he shows more of that leadership on the offensive side.

    In terms of the front office and the coaching staff, we just need to see those elements working in tandem. The coaching needs to be in lock step with player acquisition. There are no signs that Philbin and his staff were able to work successfully with the front office to build the team. Either they did work together but failure came about because of bad vision, scouting and drafting or they weren't working together in the first place. Either way that needs to change. So far, Tannenbaum has failed to support Rex Ryan with good drafting and it looks like he failed again with Philbin. Whether we're looking at the draft where Miami wasn't very good or we look at the big moves in free agency like the contracts given to Suh and Tannehill, it's clear to me that Tannenbaum is prone to doing things a certain way. All I can say is that those things didn't work in NY and so far they don't look smart in Miami either.

    I could easily blame Ross for hiring Tannenbaum (and I do) but what about the good options that weren't interested like Fisher and Harbaugh? I think Ross' problem is that he's got no leverage. He's flailing in the wind asking someone to take over. When the good options weren't there Miami wound up with lesser options like Tannenbaum and Philbin.

    Maybe that is Ross' fault, I don't know. It just doesn't seem like there's a lot he can do. The guys applying for the jobs simply aren't top-level guys. The GM last year was Bucs cast-off Dennis Hickey. That more or less sums it up. Hickey isn't there because he's great. He's there because the great ones said no. There's a large part of me that sees how Ross is hurting the team but there's also a large part that is more realistic in acknowledging that Ross has tried to hand the organization to several more qualified individuals.




    If there's one thing I don't like about Ross it's that he feels he immediately has to hand the team off to someone else in the first place. While I understand the business aspects of it I feel Ross just wants to buy himself a team and toss money at it until it becomes a good one. That's not realistic and so maybe he's bitten off more than he can chew. I think that's true.

    At some point, Miami is simply going to need vision and leadership. I'm pretty confident that's not going to come from Tannenbaum because he is terrible when it comes to player acquisition. Let me say that again. Mike Tannenbaum is terrible when it comes to player acquisition. He's either making risky trades, signing good players to ridiculous deals or he's drafting poorly and investing in players who don't perform. There's not really a solution in which a team is going to be able to offset that level of BS. Unless Tannenbaum does seriously better than he has in the past, Miami is going to be bad under his leadership.

    Philbin wasn't the coach this team needed either. What Miami needs is more stability when it comes to the guys who are piecing together the roster. Ross doesn't directly play into that in my view so if there's any way that the front office and coaching staff can be cleaned out and rebuilt, I think Ross could potentially still exist in the equation and he wouldn't be the detriment he is now.

    That would also require Ross hire good people which maybe asking too much, lol.
     
  18. jw3102

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    If it is all about luck and none of these owners know a damn thing. I sure wish the Dolphins had the same luck as the owners of the Steelers over the last 46 years. Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, Mike Tomlin. These are the only head coaches the Steelers have had since 1969.

    They all won Super Bowls and they all have winning records as NFL head coaches.

    I think there was a lot more than luck involved in picking three successful head coaches over a period of four decades.
     
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  19. Stringer Bell

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  20. Vertical Limit

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    well ill give you that, the Rooneys definitely deserve a lot of credit. But you can name any other franchise that isnt the Steelers or the Packers and ill give you a list of instability.
     
  21. Jt0323

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    Garfinkel has done a great job, especially when it comes with the tradition of this team, and how they handled the Dolphins 50th season.
     

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