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Mike Shula being talked up as Miami Dolphins head coaching candidate

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Dec 9, 2015.

  1. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Id take Coughlin in a front office role.. But i think hes done with football soon in every capacity. He is there because he loves Eli like a son, and you rarely see a coaching change for a player with Eli's accomplishments at the prime of his career. marino should have retired with Shula but Shula was pushed out the door. Theyre not pushing Coughlin out and they love Eli.
     
  2. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Shula runs the Earhardt-Perkins concept with some spread option. The EP is heavily reliant on the QB, its the concepts Tom and Bill took and fine tuned. That off scheme has won 8 out of the last 13 SB's...and only a handful of teams run it.

    I like this approach a lot better than Hue Jackson and his WC offense and numerous past failures.

    Bring the boy home.
     
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  3. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Earhardt-Perkins concept is a bunch of concepts that have been combined with the concepts from the West-Coast, Air Coryell, etc concepts. One of the main concepts of the EP was smash mouth football coupled with forcing defenses to defend the entire field from sideline to sideline and the entire length of the field. Lots of pulling guards and tackles. No one actually runs the EP straight up, all of todays offenses running it are hybrids of the 1970's system. New England and Denver run it and have 2 of the most explosive offenses in the league.

    Ironically the EP system was developed in High school when Erhardt coached the team to a 45-9-2 record over 7 seasons. It was so good he got asked to coach at North Dakota State where he was a assistant for 4 years before taking over as head coach in the 60's. Erhardt posted a 61-7-1 record over 7 seasons winning 2 national titles.

    In 1973 Erhardt was hired as the back filed coach for the New England Patriots. The system was further developed when he worked with Ray Perkins. the following year (1974), the Patriots went deep into the playoffs almost winning the superbowl. Their head coach at the time(name escapes me), resigned to go to a college team and Erhardt was promoted to Head Coach due to the success of the offense. Duties at that level proved to be to much and he was fired.

    Bill Parcells picked him up and hired him as Offensive coordinator of the New York Giants. At the time the Head coach was Ray Perkins. Together they put the pieces each had accumulated and won 2 superbowls. Parcells left the Giants and was replaced with Ray Handley. Handley and Erhardt had differences and Erhardt was fired. Erhardt ended up in Pittsburgh under Bill Cowher where he went on to be the offensive coordinator and another shot a a superbowl. Cower and Erhardt did not see eye to eye on offensive philosophy so he resigned from Pittsburgh.

    Ray Perkins played under Don Shula as a wide receiver when coach coached the Baltimore Colts. He also played in super-bowl V. His real passion was to coach so in 1974 he was hired by the New England Patriots where he helped develop the system we now know as EP. Perkins went on to San Diego that led to a four-year head coaching job with the Giants from 1979 to 1982. Perkins also hired future head coaches Parcells, Bill Belichick and Romeo Crennel. Perkins went back to New England under Bill Parcells from 1993 to 1996.

    Parcells used the EP when he was coaching. Charlie Weis learned it from him too and passed it on to several assistants, including McDaniels and Chiefs HC Todd Haley. Current Vikings OL coach Jeff Davidson is another Weis protege and is said to by some have brought the system to the Carolina Panthers, where he was the OC for the past four years as a member of John Fox's staff.
     
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  4. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Actually Denver doesn't run it anymore, but you are correct it has evolved. Also that article is a little aged, lol.

    Teams that run it now include...

    Pitt, NE, CAR, CHI, Tenn and SD.
     
  5. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Love the Erhardt-Perkins offense. Seems to elevate QB play by quite a bit when coached well.

    I would imagine the main reason only a handful of teams run it is because most coaches don't know it well enough. The ones that know it well were somehow connected to their coaching tree, including Parcells, Belichick and Cowher. Am I wrong about that?


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  6. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Not sure if their are more but those 3 for sure. Like all schemes it is tinkered with and tailored to fit 'X'.

    If we hire Shula and draft Paxton Lynch then watch out, we won't be a laughing stock for long.
     
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  7. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Pretty amazing the history around the system. Even where Perkins hired Parcells then Parcells returned the favor later in life. 4 of the teams you mentioned are directly traceable to the disciples of Perkins and Erhardt. Not sure about Chicago and Tennessee how they fit in
     
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  8. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Jason Michael the Titans OC was hired on from SD where he worked under Norv and Wisenhunt. Not sure about Chicago...will look at it.



    Edit: Gase worked under McDaniels and John Fox.

    Also not a coincidence my two fav candidates for HC are EP concept guys (McDaniels and Shula)
     
  9. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    2socks did a nice job of going through the coaching tree a bit.


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  10. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    thanks not mine had to look it up
     
  11. jw3102

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    Right now I would take Doug Marrone over Shula or any other coach who might be available after the season.

    He he was a good head coach for the Bills, but he decided to resign after last season because of a change in ownership. He didn't interview well for the Jets job, but he did lead a very average Bills team to a 9-7 record in 2014 and he has shown that he can be a good head coach in the NFL.
     
  12. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if I would take him over Lil' Shula, but I also like Doug Marone and hey, he's an Italian from the Bronx. :up:
     
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  13. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    He would fit right in with Miami. There are thousands of Italians from the Bronx living in South Florida.
     
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  14. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. Cool.

    I do think it was weird the way he left the Jills. At first, I didn't know what happened. He seemed to be the right guy for the job. Just NFL weirdness.
     
  15. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    He's well known. Same neighborhood.
     
  16. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I am certainly not in the loop to know what exactly happened, but at the time it was reported he wasn't happy with the new ownership in Buffalo.

    Also being from New York, the feeling was that the Jets would scoop him up if he left the Bills. Supposedly his interview didn't go well with the Jets owner and other owners seem to stay away from him because of the way he left Buffalo.

    i think he was a good head coach Buffalo and he is someone who will eventually get another chance to be a head coach in the NFL. I personally think he would be an excellent hire in Miami.
     
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  17. Fin D

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    You don't think Hue Jackson going 8-8 with a horrid Oakland team with a ridiculously bad FO is more impressive? Not only that but he turned Dalton into a damn good QB.
     
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  18. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I would have no problem with Jackson as the Dolphins head coach. I mentioned Marrone simply because I think he also did a very good job in his two seasons with the Bills and he seems to be a candidate that is overlooked by most fans.

    I think Jackson or Marrone would be a big upgrade at the position and I like either of them over Shula.
     
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  19. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! OMG, too funny. I pray you guys get Mangina.
     
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  20. emocomputerjock

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    Come on man, none of us did anything to deserve that.
     
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  21. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG]

    What do you think about Fitzpatrick and Tannehill having essentially the same stats and the latter being paid $100 million?


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  22. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Salary aside, I think Tannehill has a higher ceiling. We've all seen Fitzpatrick's.

    You guys happy with Tannenbaum? He'll leave you guys in great shape, especially after he hires Mangini. Good luck.

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  23. jw3102

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    You do realize that Mangini took over as the DC of the 49ers this year? Last year the 49ers were the 10th ranked defense in the NFL and yet going into this weekend, the 2015 49ers defense under the direction of Mangini is ranked 28th in the league.

    I think if Tannebaum hires Mangini as the next head coach, both Mangini and Tannebaum will be fired in 2 years.
     
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  24. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    He can't be serious?
     
  25. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yeah, that Oakland team wasn't so horrid, they went 8-8 the previous year with Campbell at QB, so it wasn't like he worked some kind of miracle.

    Lets not forget that they were 7-4 and crumbled down the stretch, and the rumor was that Hue lost the team, and then lost his job because of that.
     
  26. finsfandan

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    If it is, it's not by much. His best year was under the magical Kelly offense that made Foles a football god, which has been exposed. Plus Miller had his best rushing season. Even then his YPA was 28th in the league.

    He's one of the major reasons I cancelled my season tickets. Stephen Loss is a New Yorker, please take him back.


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  27. The_Dark_Knight

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    I've not commented on this, but with how effective the Carolina offense has been in both the passing and ground game, it is an intriguing notion.

    With a name like Shula, it's gotta be good :wink2:
     
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  28. dullfandan

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    Can Shula be successful without Cam?
     
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  29. thisperishedmin

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    Not that I want Mangini by any stretch of the imagination...but...to be fair - the 49ers lost a TON of talent on D. Like - oh my god that was one of the most horrific offseasons ever amounts of talent. I guess it'd still be nice to see better than 28th ranking - but that number shouldn't really surprise anyone either, all things considered.
     
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  30. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    They won some games last year without him...I'd like to think he could be successful without him. Who knows though, if we hire Shula i'll be down with it.
     
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  31. Puka-head

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    Why are any yall talkin bout a Jester reject in a thread about a Shula being the next greatest Phins coach ever. Burning at the stake I believe is called for thou blasphemous sinners!
     
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  32. Tin Indian

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    Holy crap. All the holes this team has and everyone still clamoring to get rid of Tannehill. He may not be the solution long term but he is far from this teams biggest problem. We need secondary help, we need linebacker help, and for the love of god bring us some oline help. And the thing is we don't just need one guy here or one guy there, we need multiple players on all of those units. And you better damn well draft them cause going to that free agency well is sinking this team.

    But sure waste an early pick on a QB. That is just F*&$ing brilliant.
     
  33. FinSane

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    Mike Shula, come on down!

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  34. RevRick

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    At last. Someone actually employed the frontal lobes instead of the knee jerk.... er .... joint... in addressing the quarterback teapot tempest!

    80% of the front line that started last night might be starters in college... might be.

    Ayegonbarafinische!
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    This is not correct.

    Hue Jackson took over as Offensive Coordinator of the Oakland Raiders in 2010. The previous year (2009) the Raiders ranked 31st in the NFL in points scored and 31st in yardage. The next year with Hue as the OC and Jason Campbell/Bruce Gradkowski at QB they were 6th in the NFL in points scored and 10th in yardage. Just counting offense and not counting special teams or defensive touchdowns, the Raiders went from scoring 12.3 points per game in 2009 to scoring 23.0 points per game in 2010. That is absolutely incredible improvement. And in 2011 despite losing their starting QB six games into the season and picking up a QB literally from his couch, they still scored 21.6 points per game.

    Yes, he absolutely worked a miracle. Most notably through Darren McFadden. It was well publicized at the time that McFadden was previously struggling in Tom Cable's zone-based run scheme. He was quickly becoming known as a draft bust. Hue Jackson (who had been a RB Coach at several previous stops, in addition to his experience as WR Coach and QB Coach) sat with McFadden and picked his brain on what kinds of run plays he feels most comfortable with, and found a way to base the scheme on what McFadden did well. The results were magnificent. For two years, Darren McFadden was a superstar quality player. And then Hue Jackson left him and Darren went back to being a bust.

    Hue should also get credit for the fact the Raiders were 8-8 in 2010 while Hue was the offensive coordinator. This is because there was not an appreciable difference in the effectiveness of the defense. They were allowing 23.3 points per game in 2009 strictly on defense, and in 2010 they allowed 22.8 points per game strictly on defense. Hue Jackson's offensive improvement (from 12.3 points per game to 23.0 points per game) was the reason that team went 8-8 instead of the Oakland Raiders' traditional bottom-dwelling record. The following year he managed to stay 8-8 despite his defense allowing 24.0 points per game strictly on defense.

    As for your final statement about rumors of Hue Jackson having lost the team, I do not recall any such rumors. In fact I recall several articles that cited players stating openly they wish Hue Jackson was still there, that they loved playing for him. Fans have taken out full page ads begging the Raiders to take him back. What you might be remembering is Hue's rant during his post-game press conference after the final game of the year. They came one quarter away from getting to the playoffs, and then lost it on bad defense. He went off during the press conference expressing his disappointment in the players, how he expects better of them, etc. The media made a big deal of it. None of the players did. They knew what he meant. As for starting 7-4 and crumbling down the stretch, that should be expected to happen when your starting QB goes down (they were 4-2 until Campbell got hurt) and you hire a guy that was sitting on his couch the week before and doesn't know any of your players or your system.
     
  36. bakedmatt

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    We never ran Chip Kelly's offense.
     
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  37. finsfandan

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    Really? Lazor's offense wasn't influenced by Kelly's?


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  38. ckparrothead

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    It definitely was. However there were so many differences that it cannot rightly be called the Kelly offense. It had much more in common with what Lazor ran at UVA, particularly in the passing game.
     
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  40. finsfandan

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    I'm referring to it as the Kelly offense because of the coaching tree the same way people refer to the Erhardt Perkins, which has very different variations.


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