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Every Tannehill drop back vs Dallas

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  1. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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  2. CitizenSnips

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    My quick notes. Some big drops in this game. The interception was terrible. The two touchdowns were very impressive. His deep ball has really improved. Lazor has to move him more often. This offense occasionally looks completely out of sync.
     
  3. CrunchTime

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    The drops and the penalties were the killers.Also we have not remedied the problem we have had all season long . Third down passes that are short and dont make the first down. It cant be that hard to fix that .Just run a couple of more yards before turning around.They should be practicing that all week long.:pity:
     
  4. thetylernator

    thetylernator You're as cold as ice, Officer Friendly.

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    Not. Enough. Deep. Passes.
     
  5. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    tannehill and stills seem to have a good chemistry when it comes to the deep ball, yet we throw 1 a game.
     
  6. Rocky Raccoon

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    That's what I'm saying about Lazor. There's no rhythm to his offense. He has no feel for the game in his play calling.
     
  7. jdang307

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    To buy time they should have Tanny on the move.
     
  8. DolphinGreg

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    Thanks for posting! That's great footage!

    To be honest, it re-assures what I felt during the game which was that Tannehill was close to getting hot. I thought for a moment we were going to see another Jacksonville game in which Tannehill was making great throws and moving around but the offense never put point son the board to match the great play of the QB. We did see some great things and quite frankly Tannehill was on the money physically. The play to Cameron in the end zone was a perfect example. He threaded it and it was Cameron's job to make the adjustment on the back end. Thankfully the TE did and it was a TD but Tannehill couldn't have done a more perfect job.

    That's what Tannehill brings you physically. He's balling at times and for awhile it really looked like this was going to be one of his best games.

    But...inevitably I think the team played like crap. I want to slug half the freakin' guys on that tape. Dallas Thomas' whiff on the LB during that designed QB keep is an offense to football players everywhere. Dallas Thomas needs to be removed from Miami IMMEDIATELY. That dude sucks at football. I was all for giving him a chance, but he's had it and it's time he goes the way of Jonathan Martin. Jason Fox--I shouldn't even need to say anything. Pure garbage. Those guys should pay back a few game checks they suck so bad. Quite frankly, I'm sick of debating about so much stuff when guys like that are taking the field.

    Cameron's blocking is bad. He's purely a down-the-field TE. Quite frankly, I don't see value there for the Miami Dolphins with so many WRs on staff. I think he'd be of value if Landry wasn't in town but Landry is eating up much of that underneath stuff. I'd rather see stability brought to the blocking end of things as opposed to another pass catcher pushed into rotation.

    Landry's screw-ups piss me off. It's just bad football. The attitude is a slap in the face to fans when he goes out there drops balls, screws up on returns and draw penalties. If he was a Patriot, Belichick would probably bench him to be perfectly honest. In Miami, he's a fan favorite.

    Miami needs a coach who is going to DRILL these weak-minded offensive players. Tannehill has SO much potential. Bad line. Bad OC. Inconsistent weaponry.

    Give me this Ryan Tannehill with Matthews, Stills, Ajayi, Miller, Pouncey, and Landry and I think you've got something. I don't need Cameron. Sims is fine. Parker should help. James and Albert are fine.

    For the love of God get some Guards and a new OC and rebuild the secondary with decent players while adding a pass rusher somewhere. This should not be an inept football team.
     
  9. resnor

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    This is what so hard for me, Greg. I truly believe in Tannehill. Then I get frustrated after games where we lose, and I start getting upset with Tannehill.

    Then I realize, again, how bad the oline truly is, and how bad the playcalling is, and I go back to sticking up for Tannehill.

    This offseason, we need to get decent oline players, lb, and cb, and a new OC. See what Tannehill looks like with an oline with actual NFL players, and an OC who doesn't suck, and make a decision on him after next season.
     
  10. CaribPhin

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    Based on his contract, we're locked in until 2017 with Tannehill. Nobody is going to trade for it unless they're really high on him which is hard to be at the moment. Like it or not he's here for at least the 2016 season. I don't really expect him to be here past that because I don't see him being at least a Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco level guy. Who knows, he could end up pulling a Dalton and actually win games instead of being part of a winning team.
     
  11. resnor

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    LOL

    Dalton has a pretty good team around him...and his OC is who many people want as our coach, right?
     
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  12. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    I don't know what to think aymore. I'm so in Tannehill's corner, but I think, like most everything, the truth lies somewhere in the middle: the line is terrible, the play calling is garbage, but Tannehill is inconsistent
     
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  13. roy_miami

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    The TD to Cameron epitomizes whats wrong with Tannehill and our offense in general. He went above and beyond on that play extending the play on his own with his legs. In other words... HE MADE A PLAY!! Which is great!! The problem is he should be doing things like that 3 or 4 times a game rather than 3 or 4 times a season if we're lucky. Imagine how much more effective the offense would look if he made a play like that every quarter. I don't know about you but I want my $100 million dollar player to be the guy going above and beyond making plays for the team most often.

    Its why you can't put all sacks on the o-line, because he could have easily not made the play there and accumulated another sack for the o-line.

    Its also why the win/loss record gets accredited to the QB somewhat. Because some QBs make those plays with regularity. And if he never makes that play its not like you can say its definitively Tannehill's fault that he took the sack because he should have just ran and thrown the TD pass or whatever. Its only possible to know what could have happened if it actually happens.

    Its easy to look at the stat line and say Roethlisberger takes less sacks hence he has a better o-line hence his win/loss record is better, when in reality Roethlisberger makes a lot more plays like Tannehill's TD pass to Cameron which makes a big difference in the win/loss column.
     
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  14. roy_miami

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    Oh and as far as Landry being an idiot on the kickoff return what he was attempting to do was touch the ball with a foot out of bounds, which would have given us the ball at the 40, which is quite smart. I don't know if he actually pulled it off, it was close, but you can see him pointing out to the ref where he thought his foot was out of bounds and we probably should have challenged it.

    This is what he was attempting to do: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000115426/Cobb-s-smart-play

    And it looks like he pulled it off from this image: http://www.thephinsider.com/2015/11...s-kickoff-out-of-bounds-call-for-the-dolphins
     
  15. CitizenSnips

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    We do a lot of stupid stuff, and we don't call plays to maximize the talent we do have.
     
  16. CitizenSnips

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    Truth be told, I don't think I saw anything too bad from 17 here. He throws short on 3rd down a lot but he does it do consistently that you have to blame the coaching. Why aren't they telling him not to do that? Why aren't they calling deeper plays? I would love to be a fly on the wall of their post game film study.

    The interception was all tannehill, he just didn't see McClain and he can't let that happen. Aside from that tho I don't really see anything else too alarming. Deep ball to stills, gorgeous. Deep ball to landry. Breaks away from pressure and finds his TE in the endzone. Runs for a good gain and Fox commits the dumbest hold I've ever seen. On another designed run Tanne has blockers abd Billy turner decides to just not block the guy who makes the tackle. Oline sucked, defense gives up the backbreaking drive right after we claw back into the game at 14-14.

    Lot of problems on this team. I hold steadfast that 17 isn't one of the bigger ones.
     
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  17. bran

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    the pick six sucked and like you said tannehill didnt see him, it happens we got back into the game due to some really nice plays from tannehill. that type of pick is going to happen more and more if all we run is 3 yard short routes like that. tannehill is at his best when he is allowed to throw it in that 7-15 yard range. that throw to matthews on the first drive was right on the money, the deep ball to landry was on the money, both those plays took points off the board right there.
     
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  18. Rocky Raccoon

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    Don't get me wrong, it's not all on Lazor. Obviously we're not executing well and we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot, but I don't see many adjustments. We aren't seeing more plays that allow Tannehill to use his legs. We often see the run game abandoned. It's a shame, because I think he brings some really good concepts, but we've regressed as an offense this season. The defense just seems to know what's coming and he can't figure out ways to counter that.

    When we played Philly, after it was obvious our defensive line was dominating their front, Chip Kelly adjusted and had the QB doing more rollouts and misdirection to counter our attack. Those are things we don't see with Lazor. It's almost like his offense is set in stone, and we need to be perfect in every area for it to work. I just want to see some adjustments when it's obvious what we're doing isn't working. Instead he tends to just stick with it and hopes for the best. I think Lazor certainly has the brain to make an offense work, he just needs to be more willing to change things up more and help the players out.
     
  19. CitizenSnips

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    Also we've been atrocious in the field position battle. Tannehill, deservedly so, gets all the heat for giving up 6 but it's because of the defense that we started the drive at the 9 yd line. Yes grimes got a pick, but mosleys penalty once again pinned us. Defenses get very aggressive in that spot on the field, we simply have to stop putting ourselves there.

    It's one thing if the other teams punter pins us, that's just good special teams play, but we find ways to do it on our own through bad returns or penalties
     
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  20. Shane Falco

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    You are spot on. I lost count of how many poorly timed penalties we had. We must lead the league in stupid penalties.
     
  21. resnor

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    I feel like every game we're talking about some play that Tannehill made by scrambling, and someone says, "That play was great, but he needs to do it every game."

    But he is doing it almost every game.
     
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  22. 77FinFan

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    Can you explain this more please. I don't understand how grabbing the ball w/ a foot out of bounds would result in the ball being placed on the 40.


    Ok, I watched and read through that so I understand it now, even though it still makes no sense to me.
     
  23. Fin-O

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    His foot work in the pocket is disturbing, the under throw to Landry that SHOULD'VE been 6 he throws off his back foot when if he simply sets his feet he has the chance for an easy TD pass. This video is painful to watch, even when the kid has time he rarely is doing much this game.

    Ryan Tannehill has developed happy feet thanks to a porous OL and may NEVER recover from it.
     
  24. Fin-O

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    I haven't seen many "great" plays personally, I've seen plenty of good ones that we just need strung together.
     
  25. The QB needs to do better. Receivers are only going to catch the ball about 60% of the time they are thrown too. The QB has to be able to string together multiple great throws in a row to compensate for that. That's where I see the problem with Tangy. When a play does not work he is not consistent enough to keep throwing the ball well enough to give his receivers 2nd and 3Rd chances at moving the chains. If he could fix that he would be an OK QB
     
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    Seems like he threw the ball pretty well, but were a couple of crucial drops on 3rd down, or a stupid penalty.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    1st play...bad throw..not sure if he could of made the throw but his 2nd option matthews was wide open right behind cameron

    2nd play..plenty of time..seemed like a drop.

    3rd play..screen to landry..placed properly.

    4th..zone read keeper..poorly blocked.

    5th..pass to landry..poorly thrown, allowed the defender to get back into the play and strip the ball..

    6th...pick 6..poor throw and decision..tunnel vision.

    7th..shows good awareness to flick ball to williams as protection broke down.

    8th..good zone read keeper..nice run, good awareness to get down.

    9th.. botched screen pass..would of liked to see him spin move out to the perimeter and improv..it was obvious the play was covered.

    10th..blitz...there was no audible..no hot route available.

    11th..screen dropped by jarvis.

    12th..pass to cameron short of the sticks..decent play, moved to the right, had excellent protection.

    13th..why are you throwing a two yard crosser to a guy who's triple covered while you had decent protection...tunnel vision.

    14th..great throw to landry on the deep pass..

    15th..locked into cameron the whole way..man was covered the whole way.

    16th..great play, rolled right, td.

    17th..great placement on the quick slant to matthews

    18th..quick out to miller..ok

    19th..2nd and 30..7 yard checkdown.

    20th..checkdown to ajayi on 2nd and 25..

    21st..checkdown on 3rd and 22..double covered..

    22nd..ajayi makes a nice run off a lil check down screen.

    23rd..botched snap..would of liked to see him make a play, had room, but he picked up and threw away..its ok

    24th..td to stills...good throw..he's found something releasing the ball early in the so called deep ball..this could of been done with wallace last year but like CK said they wanted the 50 yarders downfield instead of measuring it correctly like he's doing now.

    25th..designed qb run..good job..holding.

    26th..7 step drop in end zone..pressure get to him..inc.

    27th..good throw, deep slant..

    28th..holy cow, a qb draw..lol...gotta do something to get him to run on a defense.

    29th..bad play..good protection...hesitated..sacked.

    30th..3rd and 17th..good protection..checkdown for 7..dont get it.

    31st..sacked..

    went off the script twice in the game..2 passes to jordan went he extended the play to the right.
     
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  28. Rock Sexton

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    .... except it's his job to see him.
     
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  29. Fin-O

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    Yea, those are a pretty lame set of excuses. Its hard to look at someone's post and take it seriously when all you see are reasons why we have a bad offense anyone BUT Tannehill.
     
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    Agreed.

    I was watching some program on NFLN last night that does a run-through of all the games with a lot of sideline footage and audio. They showed McClain all jacked up in the 1st quarter saying something to the effect of "I'm going to get it next time and score". After the pick 6 a player goes up to McClain and asks him if he knew that was coming from the previous 3rd down, he says yes.

    Anybody notice this or have any thoughts on what that means? I can't play the video, did they run the same play on those 3rd downs?
     
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  31. jdang307

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    Hey check your inbox.
     
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  32. Fin D

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    Thank you!!!!
     
  33. Fin-O

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    No pitching woo on the site boys.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    imo the reason why ryan struggles when protection breaks down is because he cant watch his oline matchups while he reads the field..the good ones can...the good ones see their guys get beat and adjust.
     
  35. adamprez2003

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    Just another nonsense post by you. He doesn't have happy feet. He hit Landry on that pass. Landry dropped even though it hit both his hands. Only you would call that a bad pass. Thais video proves he had a pretty good game overall and that you spout nothing but nonsense when talking about tannehill
     
  36. adamprez2003

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    There was no strip on landry's pass. He just dropped it
     
  37. djphinfan

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    the throw to landry is not what i would consider a good nfl throw..he had time, receiver had to wait for the ball, allowing the defender to get back into the play, pretty elementary throw, not executed well..
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    defender was able to engage landry's arms..throw to catch needs to be clean, no excuses, it wasn't, I'm sure he would tell you the same..
     
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  39. djphinfan

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    doesn't matter..the performance was average at best.
     
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  40. Fin-O

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    Pretty good game overall....

    Pass to Landry was good...

    He doesn't have happy feet...

    Buddy you know absolutely ZILCH about the game of football. I used to think you were just a Ryan homer, now?? I think I gave you too much credit.
     
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