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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Harleydude666, Nov 22, 2015.

  1. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Behind Zeus, Hades and Poseidon, but ahead of Apollo...
     
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  2. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    He doesn't back it up with ANYTHING. This forum is clearly important to him yet he does more self sabotage to himself then I've ever seen anybody do. When others clearly prove him wrong he responds with "it doesn't prove what you think it does". Maybe he actually believes the non sense he spews. If ignorance is bliss he probably ****s lucky charms.
     
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  3. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Had to add it to my sig.
    :yes:
     
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  4. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Gotta give bignasty credit for that quote, plagiarism is in poor taste.
     
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  5. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    And why can't I get a "thanks" for that post? Lol :)
     
  6. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    My position is the same as it always was and this game hasn't changed it.

    Tannehill is average and will always be average. Me personally I'm not aiming for average and am ready to move on from Tannehill.

    Would like to shop him but won't hold breath.

    Would draft QB in 1st round but again, won't hold breath.

    Chances are We're stuck with Fannehill until his contract runs out.
     
  7. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    We do have a way out after next season without killing our cap. I wonder if we could get a decent pick for him.
     
  8. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    Still gotta move him though, no point having the highest paid backup. I think the answer is the Browns or Texans. There are a handful of other teams I could see sniffing around that bait.
     
  9. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't mean as a backup, I meant cutting him after 2016. Assuming we can't trade him.
     
  10. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    OK, I haven't read through all of these posts and don't have the time to at the moment. I had to work yesterday so I wasn't able to go to the local watering hole to watch the game, but I tried to listen to it as much as I could on the radio. In the thread I had started I said we were in trouble against Dallas, but when I listened to the opening of the game I thought perhaps Lazor had listened to what someone like me was saying and had a glimmer of hope.

    1st play from scrimmage, Miler ran up the middle for 12 yards I believe it was. ROCK ON!!!
    2nd play from scrimmage, Miller ran for another 9 yards I believe it was. Again, ROCK ON!!!

    Keep pounding the ball to soften up that defense and open up the passing lanes! *sighs* In between all of the repair jobs I had, I wasn't able to listen to all of the game and as luck would have it, it seemed the majority of the time I was able to listen, it was Dallas' ball, so when I got home and opened up the stats...to see what ACTUALLY happened? *GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The Dolphins first 2 plays from scrimmage, rushing the ball, gaining 21 yards in 2 plays...what do I see? Miller would be handed the ball only 5 more times throughout the entire game. Ajayi would only get the ball 4 times. WTF, over?????????????? We were never down, until the last half of the 4th, that desperation came into play where the need to throw, throw, throw existed. We were down 14-7 at the half. At one point, I heard we were down 21-14. The entire freaking playbook is available, but what does Lazor do? Throw, throw, throw...

    Look, Tannehill isn't a Marino, Elway, Favre, Manning or Brady...but then again, he doesn't need to be. This team has a load...a ****LOAD of talent. Tannehill needs to be, and CAN be a Griese, Bradshaw, Plunkett...even a Kelly or Montana, the latter having an incredible run support to their game which made the quarterback play seem legendary. Tannehill has the talent, not to be a throwing legend, but a field general and MANAGE the game, but in order for him to do this, two vitally important things need to happen first and foremost.

    Miami has to COMMIT to the running game. You have 2 running backs who if they were to leave and go to a San Diego, Kansas City, Dallas...they would be 1000 yard rushers easily. Lazor's playcalling sucks to the highest level of sucktivity, so if you want to know where the offensive woes lie, look no further than Lazor.

    Secondly, Tannehill has o be given the freedom to make adjustments at the line and change the play when he sees a mismatch. Didn't catch who was who, but we had a linebacker lined up against one of our WR's. Tannehill should've audibled, changed the play and exploited that mismatch. Now, either Tannehill hasn't been given the freedom to make such adjustment at the line, in which case I blame Lazor....or he hasn't been coached to identify such mismatches and makes adjustments, in which I blame Lazor.

    But it all starts and ends with the run. If we don't commit to the run, we're only going to win 1 or 2 more games the rest of the season.
     
  11. Fin D

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    If you had common sense, you would realize I'm not saying he IS elite because he played well for 6 games last year, and instead you'd understand that all I'm saying is when his oline played average he put up Top 5-10 numbers.

    This shouldn't be difficult to grasp for someone with common sense.
     
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  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I'll say this again:

    - If you use W/L record as a QB stat, then you think wins and losses are all on the QB, otherwise you can't hold them responsible for every loss (or win).
    Example: Tannehill's record can't be all his fault unless you think that for every QB.

    - If you want to say you don't believe the QB is responsible for every win or loss but still want to use W/L record as a QB stat then you need to explain to what percentage if you want others to go along with it.

    So your two choices are very simple:

    1. Don't use W/L record as a QB stat.

    Or

    2. Use it as a QB stat but define it with a percentage that makes sense and can be justified using logic and math.


    Before you start again, that's not me just randomly making things up. Those are the only options based on logic. Get an adult to help you talk that through if need be.
     
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  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I've backed up my point with reason, logic and facts.

    The problem is (and this part is my fault) I'm arguing with a group of people who don't understand reason, logic and facts.

    You've flat out admitted you don't understand anything I'm saying.
     
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  14. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    why are you still allowed to use an avatar like that, when there was this change in what kind of avatars we can still use and which not and yours is clearly offensive...that has to change
     
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  15. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    You're holding on to your theory despite the facts. 27-31 record in 3+ years - FACT.
    Worst third down percentage in the league year after year - FACT
    Terrible 4th down percentage year after year - FACT
    Can't win at home when we need to - FACT
    Get outplayed by third string scrubs by our division rivals and can't beat them - FACT
    Investment in OL, WR and TE without noticeable improvement in points per game or efficiency - FACT
    Fire Sherman and bring in a new whiz kid OC and still inconsistent - FACT
    Fire Philbin and bring in a new motivator and still inconsistent - FACT

    What other excuses do we need?

    And QB rating is meaningless, how about you open your eyes and admit these deficiencies? His QBR is dead last in the league if you want to start looking at it from different angles.

    I know you have good intentions in defending Tannehill. Heck we all appreciate his effort and toughness. I just think the body of work is lacking and there is no indication that the switch will magically turn on one day.
     
  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You don't even know what my point is, so how about you butt the hell out till you do. K. Thanx. Bye.
     
  17. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Lol, that reminded me of this chick in high school.

    K. Thanx. Bye.

    Classic!!


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  18. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Your point is this magical delusion that wins do not correlate to how a QB performs.

    You are wrong. QB's that make extraordinary plays can and do will their teams to victory. Clutch QB's that can read the entire field and make big plays on third down, or make big plays when the pocket breaks down can AND ARE the difference between mediocrity and playoff success. That includes QB's that have to evade pressure or don't have elite offensive lines or running games.

    Run of the mill QB's, like Tannehill, are pretty to look at when everything is perfect. However, when the stars are not aligned he devolves into Robo-Tannehill, an upgraded version of Robo-Henne with eerily similar game outcomes.
     
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    It just blows my mind how the tannehill sunshine pumpers just keep coming out. It's always something else other than our qb. The guy had more weapons on offense then a lot of nfl teams. I dare you to put Phillip Rivers on this team. He would be at least 10-6 with this group.


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  20. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    They are dwindling as rapidly as the Philbin defenders did after we got stomped by Buffalo at home.

    HOWEVER, I will be the first person to kiss FinD's *** if Tannehill does turn it around. Unlike Philbin, I TRULY WANT Tannehill to be the face of the franchise but my anaylsis is based on the facts up to this point. Can a new regime turn it around for him? I am cautiously hopeful while maintaining that the odds are low.
     
  21. Shane Falco

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    All you have to do is look at the Denver game last year for proof that wins are not all on the QB.

    We scored 36 and LOST. The QB did everything possible, but the defense couldn't do their part.

    #teamloss
     
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  22. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    That is the exception not the rule.
     
  23. Shane Falco

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    OK, Carolina game.

    We had the lead with less than 2 minutes left. Defense gave up a 4th a very long and let them march down the field for the win.

    QB gave us the lead and was on the bench.

    #teamloss
     
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  24. Rocky Raccoon

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    I won't give up on Tannehill until I see him with another coaching staff. He's shown too much promise. He's had too many good games for me to say otherwise.

    Attack me if you want, but I think someone like Hue Jackson could do him a world of good.
     
  25. resnor

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    A ton of arguments that don't apply. Is anyone saying Tannehill is elite? No. I am saying, I barely count years one and two, as Tannehill was a very raw rookie. Last year, saw really good improvement on Tannehill's part, yet the record was still 8-8.
     
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  26. Shane Falco

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    Totally agree. So far his first coordinator is coaching a winless HS team. His 2nd has proven to be unqualified for the job.

    #poorcoaching
     
  27. Rocky Raccoon

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    He improved in Sherman's offense. He's regressed in Lazor's offense.

    Whoever the new coach is will sit down in his office and watch tape of Tannehill and say "We have something here. He just needs a tune up." And then he'll proceed to fix his issues and surround him with the right tools to succeed.
     
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  28. pumpdogs

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    Fact!
     
  29. brandon27

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    Don't forget his QB coach, who is qualified for boinking the former OC's daughter, and also qualified for getting, and pouring a quality cup of coffee... or water... or Gatorade... Also, he's apparently a pretty good babysitter while the two QB's on this team run their meetings themselves while he sits back and probably watches porn on his team iPad.

    Ryan's got to man up though. Start doing the things the best QB's do well. Be aware, escape the pocket, roll out when its falling apart, do something to help make plays, don't just stand there like a statue, then move at the last minute.

    That "coverage" sack yesterday in the fourth, that led to Campbells boneheaded decision to punt with 6 minutes left... Classic example. He had time. Plenty of time. An eternity really. He stands there. Everyone is covered. He stands there. Dallas Thomas finally gets beat (shocking, I know, but he held up for more than long enoguh), Tannehill senses it way too late, tries to escape, but it's too late and down he goes. If he moves once he recognizes nobody is open, the WR's can move with him, someone might shake free. Someone my leave their coverage assignment in fear of Ryan scrambling for positive yards which may open up someone downfield. DO SOMETHING. Don't just stand there. He shouldn't need a coach of any caliber to tell him that. That's instinct. Something that it appears he's severely lacking.
     
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    There are holes all over this team, The Oline, On defense anything past the Dline save Grimes and Jones. Then we would get to Tannehill in terms of holes. At this point we can pretty much say he is a middle of the road starter in the NFL and yet he is still better than any option we've had at Qb the last 15 years outside of 1 year of Chad Pennington. Should we just throw him away and find someone else? No, there are many teams that would love to have him at QB as their starter. Should we just stand pat with him and call it done? No again. But we have so many other problems that need to be addressed on this team the Qb spot is not our highest priority right now. By the way the team structured his deal he has 1 more season to s*&t or get off the pot and prove his worth. We are going to have to accept that, move on and stop pointing at him like he is the single biggest problem on this team because he isn't.
     
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    Agree fully. And he does it at times. Against Philly when we are trying to run out the clock and backed up on our own end zone. He had the same situation. 3rd and ten or eight. Noone was open, he scrambled right bought himself some time and hit Sims (?) for a first to keep the drive going and the clock ticking. It's in him, he just doesn't always do it. Which tells me its coaching
     
  32. resnor

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    This is exactly the argument.
     
  33. jdang307

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    Defense gave up 17 points to a Romo led Dallas team. That's not terrible.
     
  34. Rocky Raccoon

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    I actually thought the defense was good yesterday. Offense lost us this game.

    Really, the defense has been playing decently since Coyle was fired.
     
  35. Fin D

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    What about the Chargers this year? What about the Broncos this year?

    At some point all these things stop being exceptions and start being the norm.
     
  36. muskrat21

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    hasselback has more wins than luck this year. guess that means luck sucks?
     
  37. Phins Up Wins Up

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    How often do we lose in a shoot out? That is the only game I've ever seen tannehill take the game in his own hands.
     
  38. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Two teams don't make a norm.
     
  39. Fin D

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    Do you really think this is the only time these things have happened? Why am I asking, of course you do.
     
  40. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Yes and tannehill is one of those holes. What's your point? He is an average QB as you've stated. What contending team would take an average QB? You don't make any since. Not a lot of teams would take that especially the contenders. How many teams win the super bowl with a middle of the road QB? Holes on the other places of the team doesn't excuse his poor play. Jamar Taylor gets a better defensive line and he could be pretty good. Until we patch up the DL and get better LBs we are fine at CB. Better DC, LBs, and DL and Jamar Taylor could play better. He needs a better FS over the top too. He could be pretty good. How can you expect to achieve more when he has bad players and bad coaches around him? He is a young corner and needs more around him. I bet he could be elite. Richard Sherman and Revis get good defenses and coaches. Give Jamar Taylor a better team around him and then see what he could do. How many corners in the league play alongside this bad DL and group of LBs See how stupid I sound? That's your argument for Tannehill.
     

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