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The Official 2015 MLB Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by finyank13, Mar 9, 2015.

  1. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    You guys need to stop being so surprised that league average/non star players are making so much money now. The MLB and the teams are making tons and tons of money, especially with the team's TV deals plus factor in inflation and you get guys like Rick Porcello making 22 million a year or a Daniel Murphy probably making 15 plus per year.

    Imagine what Bryce Harper is going to get when he becomes a FA.
     
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  2. Finfangirl

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    Nail on the head....If i have a son, im teaching him how to be a switch hitting infielder or a left handed pitcher....
     
  3. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The mets QO on Murphy was a very good move. Either way they win. If he accepts it, it gives Dilson Herrera more time. If he declines and gets the 4 or 5 year deal I think he will then the mets get a 1st round pick that they lost last year for signing crappy Cuddyer. Funny, that Colorado has contacted Murphy already and they want him at 1B.
    Prediction: Anaheim for 5 years 70M.

    Mets also are after Darren O'Day. I like it...we need good pen guys. Denard Span has also been mentioned which makes sense since we need a table setter type and more OF defense.

    Colon at 11, Gee at 5.3, Murphy at 7, Clippard all off the books for close to 278 in savings....most of the young SP and Duda due raises. My guess is Cespedes gets resigned because the mets gave up good prospects to get him, Clippard, Uribe and Johnson and gave up a 1st last year so they have a farm to restock...the last 2 should be kept as bench guys!
     
  4. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    What a shame, word around Twitter is cocaine, not official though....
     
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  5. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Ugh really? I hope not. Such a shame either way.
     
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  6. Finfangirl

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    Ninja Cash working today - LOL

    Pirela to the Padres for AA Righty Ronald Herrera - clears a 40 man spot

    John Ryan Murphy to the Twins for Lefty smashing 25 yr old Aaron Hicks - 4th outfielder? Chris Young's replacement?
    This tells me they think Sanchez is close to ready - I hope they keep him in AAA the first two weeks of the season to gain the extra year of control. You have a capable defensive back up in AAAA Austine Romine.

    I think Gardner is gone by the end of the week or Ells (wishful thinking)
     
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  7. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    Always thought Cashman was good at trades... FA however he bends over backwards to agents.. Always panics and adds that extra year and usually throws in a NTC for giggles...
     
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  8. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Hicks is Gardner right now minus 7 years and has a higher ceiling. Hicks wont be a 4th OF he will be starting IMO....I would be shocked if Gardner is still here come April.....

    Sucks losing Murphy though I really liked him....and call me crazy I think Pirela will do ok out there, he never really got a chance.
     
  9. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    Lets not get crazy.. Hicks certainly has a high ceiling but he hasnt been that great yet.. For example he has 26 steals for his career so far with a very low BA and 20 HR for his career.

    So no he is not Brett Gardner.. Yet.
     
  10. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Consider this really rudimentary numbers here:

    Hicks .256/.323/.399/.721 in 92 games with 11 HR, 33RBI, 13 SB (3 CS), 11 2B, 3 3B, 48R, as probably a bottom 3rd hitter
    BG .259/.346/.399/.738 in 151 games with 16HR, 66 RBI, 20SB (5 CS), 26 2B, 3 3B, 94 R as a leadoff/2 hitter

    Consider he went "off" last year in the first half too. Gardner is going to regress on his speed (wrong side of 30) and it probably already has happened, plays great defense still, however the most striking thing to me with him is his is AWFUL 2nd halves of the season when you need not to be the most. That isn't a fluke go look at the splits year to year it is who he is, can some of be blamed that he always has a nagging injury as the end? Maybe, but that's part of the problem as well which is staying healthy. Listen I like Brett alot, but truth is though I am not attached to anyone and everybody in my eyes has value. Brett's is that he is a good everyday ballplayer with a team friendly contract. His value is probably right now (next year too) at its highest, I don't see him going higher because that isn't the type of player he is.

    Hicks you are right isn't Gardner yet, but given the numbers they suggest he isn't that far off, if given the playing time and natural course of development, I think the numbers look very similar to Brett's. The main reason for this deal IMO, besides taking advantage of his value, is I think they have a plan to get everything in line by 2018. If they trade Brett, 13M comes off next year and 2 years after that along with Tex's what 22M? The question of financial value comes into play as well. Can Hicks come close to replicating Brett's output for 10M+ less a year. They feel the answer is yes and I might agree with him....
     
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  11. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Gammons is also saying the Chapman should be dealt by the end of the weekend....word is Sox and Astros are the 2 best suitors for him because of need and depth of the farm to get him.....he wont come cheap I am assuming.....

    Finkle what would you realistically give for him, IMO X and Betts are off the table......the rest though? I would deal...
     
  12. Ray Finkle

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    Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, and Moncada would be untouchable to me. Devers, Benintendi and Esponsia would have to net me a very good, young and cost controlled player back. Everyone else would be and should be on the table.

    For 1 year of Chapman, I don't know I'd probably look to deal lower level guys or guys that are blocked and have no chance of playing in Boston. I just hate the idea of trading for a RPer with 1 year of control left to a team that may or may not have a shot at the playoffs.
     
  13. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I would love to have Chapman on the Cubs. He's a beast. I'd be willing to give up anyone not already on the MLB roster for him, I think.
     
  14. Vertical Limit

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    Well the Marlins are igniting their fight against Scott Boras that he didnt even start.. Jesus..

    Summary of quotes by Sampson.
    1. They will not consult with him about innings pitched/workload to Boras, he will be left out.
    2. They told Boras instead of colelcting 5% from all his clients he should buy his own team and tell his manager how many innings a pitcher can pitch.
    3. They will negotiate a contract directly to Jose, not Boras. Jose can say yes or no.

    Jose is a free agent in 2018 which by then we will likely lose him.
     
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  15. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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  16. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Good for them. Boras is by himself one of the worst things to happen to MLB in my lifetime.
     
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  17. Ray Finkle

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    Shows you just how clueless the Marlins are. If I were Jose Fernandez I would tell Sampson if you don't talk to my agent then don't even bother talking to me.

    Why? Boras is obviously very good at his job which is to service his clients. Remember Boras works for the players not the other way around. If the players want to maximize the most money possible (from extremely wealthy owners that make more money off the players) why shouldn't they be allowed to?
     
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  18. LiferYank

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    Seems they are doing this because they know they cant extend him.. Its called creating something to try to save face.
     
  19. LiferYank

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    Great trade for the Angels not sure what the Braves are doing. Perhaps stockpile as much pitching talent that you can to try to trade for bats later?
     
  20. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    There are plenty of other agents out there who work with MLB and the teams in a much more friendly manner and still get their players stupid money. Boras isn't the only rotten agent, but he's their king and spokesperson. He actively works against the best interests of the game and its fans. Its one thing to try and get the hugest free agent contract for a player who's reached enough service time. Fine, whatever. Do your thing.

    But for me, one of the most important foundations in professional sports is the need for the sport to, as fairly and equally as possible, distribute players coming into the sport from high school or college, and for the teams to control them at low cost for X number of years. This is essential to try and allow every club the chance to build and compete, and rewards those teams who are smart and do things the right way. Boras has long tried to derail or even destroy the draft and other ways that teams build their foundation.

    He also oversteps his bounds and then attempts to tell clubs what to do, which is so out of place I can't put words to it. For example, the Cubs would have been morons to start Kris Bryant on the MLB roster out of Spring Training this past season do to the rules involving player control. Everyone knew that, but he went on this long and extended campaign against the team over it. I'm sure many other teams have had similar incidents with him.

    Good players are going to get rich, especially in a sport with guaranteed contracts. Just play within the system. Boras is trying as hard as he can to kill the golden goose out of short term personal greed.
     
  21. LiferYank

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    He has a net worth of 100 million... Which is a ton but i would have thought he would be worth more at this point.
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    Boras owes nothing to the game or the fans. He works for the players, that's it. Fans can be annoyed that Boras and his clients are almost always after the top dollar but that's not Boras or the players problems.

    I would argue that the draft itself is broken, as it screws US born players who have to enter it, while foreign players can sign insane contracts while players drafted are limited by how much they can sign for. But that's a totally different discussion.

    Regarding Boras being out of bounds, again he's looking out for the best interest of his players and has the right to voice his opinions. Sometimes Boras is absolutely right though, as there have been times when teams purposely hold players back in the minors just so they can get an extra year or service time/control. Again though just because Boras speaks doesn't mean teams have to go through the media to respond. They can handle things privately. Boras likes to hear himself talk most of the time.

    And Boras is playing within the system, it's not his fault teams are willing to pay the players what they're asking for. It's not like he's doing anything wrong, he's just really really good at his job.
     
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  23. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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  24. finyank13

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    No clue why the Astros would have done this?
     
  25. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    They were probably hoping he would reject it and they'd get a pick.
     
  26. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Yeah pretty dumb on their part.....he is the first ever to accept, so that means he cant be traded this year I believe as well?
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    Is it dumb on their part? Depends on his performance this year. Yes he is the first ever to accept. He could be traded this year, but I believe if he is traded before June he would have to ok it (but that last part I'm not 100% sure).
     
  28. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    He hit 25 home runs this year, I think that's what maybe made Houston think he was worth it.....but yeah no.....No way if I am another GM am I giving a 1st rounder to sign him, it would have been Stephen Drew all over again....

    .238/.314/.475/.789.............25HR 67RBI
     
  29. Ray Finkle

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    But he plays CF and 16 million for 1 year for a player still in his prime isn't that much anymore. In the old days I'd agree but times are much different now.

    Also yes a player can be traded if they accept a QO but not before June 15th without his permission.

    FWIW Fangraphs had Rasmus value at 22 million last year. Not sure I agree but yeah.
     
  30. Unlucky 13

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    And I can hate him for it. That's my call, right? Caring about my own interests as a fan. Because what he does is my problem. I can't stop him or do anything about it, but I want what I see to be in the best interests of MLB and the fans.
     
  31. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Ok this is shocking......
     
  32. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Of course it's your call but don't pretend that Boras is the only evil thing that's involved in the MLB. The owners can be just as guilty, the majority of them don't care whether their teams win or not as long as they're making money. Ditto for the players and MLB front office. Sadly it's almost always about the money.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Yes and no. Wieters was coming off of a down year due to coming back from injury so maybe he wanted to take the big 1 year pay day and hope he has a big year that would lead him to an even bigger contract. On the flip side, there are zero good catching FAs on the market and he probably could have gotten a good contract from teams looking for a catching upgrade (even if Wieters has been a little underwhelming offensively).
     
  34. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    He would have been paid.....16-20M a year for 6-7 years....

    Maybe he wants to work out a long term contract with Balt?
     
  35. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    I doubt any 30 year old catcher would get 6 or 7 years but dollars seem right.
     
  36. Unlucky 13

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    You're right. Teams that aren't trying to win are a huge problem. I know that there have been stories of various franchises over the years who were pocketing huge sums without putting it into the team. (different that what the Cubs and Astros recently went through, via planned tear downs). I wish that there was some way to MLB to mandate that X percentage of baseball revenue had to go back into the club. What comes out of baseball goes back in. One reason the NFL is #1 with me.
     
  37. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Boras totally deserves all of that. I wish Alderson had the balls to do it back in September when boras was giving him a hard time with Harvey. Guy may be a great agent but he over steps his boundaries all the time
     
  38. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What did McCann get, 5 years? Another year or 2 for the right player would happen.
     
  39. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Craig Kimbrel to Boston for 4 minor leaguers
     
  40. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Papi retiring after this year. It was pretty cool that he used The Players Tribune as the platform to announce it.....as you know Jeter owns it.....
     

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