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If you could get rid of one guy....

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by sad dolfan, Nov 8, 2015.

  1. Dolphinzdawgg

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    This is my answer too. I think the problems of this franchise begin and end with him. He is just not "owner" material. He wants to use the franchise as his play toy instead of being a serious owner.
     
  2. Dolphinzdawgg

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    :knucks:
     
  3. Phins Up Wins Up

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    in garbage time
     
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  4. TopLoader

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    Garbage time when it suits. Most of THills int's have been so called garbage time.

    The game is for 60mins and 60mins worth of stats are declared. Get of his back and to be honest that goes for most folk on here.

    The problems are much deeper than this kid since day one has been hit due to inept play from a supporting cast.

    OL is horrible, LB's aren't performing, DB's are inexperienced other than Grimes (Bet Mrs Grimes is quiet this weekend)

    Yes he should be putting up more than 17pts in a game, but you, others and I (6'4" and 18stones) would be still laid on our backs after the hits this tough kid has taken.

    Support is what a fans sole responsibility is. Do it.....
     
  5. Rocky Raccoon

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    Lol. No. In the middle of the game Tannehill had a stretch where we was 21-24. While the game was still undecided. He only had one drive in garbage time.
     
  6. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Everyone who points fingers at this player or that player is really voicing opinion based on emotion rather than analyzing the actual game itself and identifying the based problem. Offensively, the base problem is Bill Lazor. He's the OC; he calls the offensive game; he sends in the plays and he's the one who sets the tone of the offense on the field.

    Yesterday was just another display of terrible offensive play calling. Throw, throw, throw instead of establishing a dominant ground game. Yesterday Miller ran the ball 12 times for 44 yards. Ajai ran the ball 5 times for 41 yards and Landry was used with 4 carries, which for the purpose of this argument, I'm going to discount, so let's stick with the actual RBs; Lazor called 17 actual carries total.

    He called 36 passes, twice as many as runs. You CAN'T do that and win, you just can't. Time and time again I've beat the drum of run the damned ball.

    In our victory over Tennessee, Miller carried the ball 19 times for 113 yards; Gray had 7 carries for 24 yards against Tannehill throwing the ball 29 times. 26 rushes and 29 passes. That's balance guys.

    In our victory over Houston, Miller had 14 carries for 175 yard; Gray had 12 carries for 48 yards versus Tannehill's whopping total of 18 passes.

    In those two games, Miami established DOMINANCE on the field offensively by running the ball. Historically, whenever we RUN the ball we dominate the game, but whenever we try to see if the quarterback we have is the reincarnation of Dan Marino and ask him to throw, throw, throw? We lose.

    I'm a Monday morning armchair coach and even I can see this. Lazor obviously can't.
     
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  7. Alex13

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    is it already a foregone conclusion that the fumble that led to a safety is on Tannehill, i haven´t watched it again...after the dozen replays they showed after it happened, but that looked like a rifle shot from pouncey to me
     
  8. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Mostly on Pouncey, for sure, but Tannehill could've made a difficult catch to prevent the safety. He was a WR after all, but still largely Pouncey's fault that time.


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  9. Alex13

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    i agree he is a former WR and should caught that ball, but the first play of the game, stadium rocking, i think pouncey just messed one up
     
  10. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Yup. You could tell from Pouncey's reaction he knew it was on him.


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  11. MikeHoncho

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    Tannehill. That guy can't block for ****.
     
  12. muskrat21

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    that depends, what side of the line do you fall between tannehill hater and realistic. if you fall closer to realistic then it was pouncey's fault, again 2 weeks in a row. if you hate tannehill then it's his fault because ???
     
  13. finsfandan

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    No, the first one was mostly Tannehill's fault. This time it was mostly Pouncey's fault. It was pretty clear both times what happened.

    Let's forget the terms hater and apologist. How was the first one Pouncey's fault? Tannehill wasn't even looking at the ball and he had plenty of time to evaluate the defense. This time the ball sailed high.


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  14. LI phinfan

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    Anybody see Pouncey 's reaction after the snap on the sidelines? That was all on Pouncey... I just don't know how anybody could see that differently... Unless you have an agenda? Nah...no way!


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  15. LI phinfan

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    Dan, I think you know that Campbell said the 1st bad snap last week was on the OL. That really should be the end of that discussion. But some think he threw the OL under the bus to protect RT... Can't make this stuff up.



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  16. finsfandan

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    Yeah, I said that. Pouncey is a leader and a Pro Bowler. Tannehill doesn't handle criticism or adversity well if you judge according to the practice squad incident. There's a basis for this. And I only looked into it because it was so painfully obvious that Tannehill wasn't even paying attention.


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  17. LI phinfan

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    Dan, the problem with your theory was that Campbell said it was on the OL, not just Pouncey. He said the lineman tapped Pouncey too soon to snap the ball. That's it... Nothing more. No elaborate cover up to help RT.


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  18. finsfandan

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    Ah, I didn't hear that. That's plausible but some blame still has to go to Tannehill even a bit on both safeties. Not paying attention and not making the difficult catch as a former WR gives you some responsibility even if it's 10%.


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  19. dolphin25

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    thanks for the private message sad dolphin

    "no one cares about your review"

     
  20. Kud_II

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    It would be quicker if I made a list of all those I don't wan to get rid of, but it would be impossible to replace all those players never mind I imagine it would be a salary cap nightmare.

    Here's some players I actually want to keep on the team but they will hit FA:

    Lamar Miller
    Rishard Matthews
    Olivier Vernon

    I'd like to try to trade Koa Misi and Brent Grimes, and Matt Moore.
     
  21. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I hear you Dan... Either way, whoever it is to blame, cannot have snaps flying out the back of the end zone two straight weeks


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  22. Kud_II

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    It is good, when you work in plays to stretch the field and NE often does. Miami on the other hand thinks they can run that crap all game and never throw down field and expect players to make ALL the extra yard plays. It's a really really bad offensive scheme and it boggles my mind that he's still under our employ. Maybe we couldn't find an OC replacement on short notice.
     
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  23. finsfandan

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    That's for damn sure. We're already bad so one big mistake can really do us in and we're guaranteed to lose when we have multiple penalties and turnovers.


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  24. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Tannehill shows enough skill that tells me that he's deserving of a quality offensive line in front of him before we make a final call on him. At the very least get viable replacements for both Dallas Thomas and Jason Fox.
    With that said....every excuse has been made for Tannehill, but the bottom line is he has yet to lead us through Hell and come out a winner in any big game we've played. He has continually shat the bed at every big moment during the regular season. Yesterday was just another one to add to the list. Yes, it's true the entire team was a big letdown, but Tannehill didn't make those around him better and that is what good QBs do. I say give him a fifth year, lets get at least one upgrade on the O line, add some depth and let year five be the make or break campaign for Tannehill. Sadly this is what happens when you draft the wrong guy....Fans and the team spend four years arguing over the player. Those that don't want to accept the possibility of a busted pick look for every angle they can find to justify why the player isn't getting it done, while non believers give their reasons. Both sides make compelling arguments, but at the end of the day it's the organization and the coaches running it that have ultimately caused Tannehills failure. An unstable situation, no winning atmosphere, shuffling of talent, ignorance towards talent we needed, coaches staying longer than they should have, I could go on and on.
    Year five should be the final stand for Tannehill. Either way we'll need to sign a capable backup because if he does break it will be before we waste another season with him. The leash for Tannehill will be merely a choke collar and nothing more. We need a coach and an offensive coordinator.
     
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  25. Phins Up Wins Up

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    I see Brady hitting Gronk deep in the seams all the time. Tannehill never does that with Cameron. And Brady doesn't have the receiver to always go deep like when he had Randy Moss or Deon Branch. Short guys like Edelman and Amendola are better in a short passing game. If Brady had Stills and Matthews he would go deep more often. Oh and Brady puts points on the board. Tannehill and this offense doesn't.
     
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  26. Splattoreus

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    I agree with whoever said Ross. After the 2014 year, and I heard Ross resigned Philbin and I thought wtf? Why would you resign someone like him. Why would you resign any of those coaches/coordinators? why did they stop running the ball? Miller would pick up five yards a carry if it wasn't one of those rediculous tosses to the side. is Thill changing the play at scrimmage?

    i got so irritated yesterday after the 3 and 15 bomb td pass to Watkins I stopped watching the game. I knew it was over after that because I knew the offense would never bring them back. Offensive schemes, Lazor, Thill they are all terrible. At one point the announcer was pointing out how open Matthews was but Thill locked unto Laundry instead. Screw stats, they're meaningless if you lose the game at the end of the day. I'd rather have a qb that has 2 td passes with 150 yards, 3 int and a win than a qb with 1 td, 0 int, 350 yards and a loss. Stats are meaningless without the win.
     
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  27. Splattoreus

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    By the way, which coach was yelling at Fede for holding when Williams gave a huge return on the kick off? That's was fire, and I was like good, none of this, "oh shocks that was just a bad play."
     
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  28. LI phinfan

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    That was Rizzi


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  29. When Brady does it, its a surgical operation of moving the chains down the field. We have not seen RT effectively do that. Brady finds way to convert 3rd downs which is another thing RT struggles with. Also Brady challenges them deep after he draws the defense in. Watching Brady is like watching someone playing chess. Watching RT is like watching someone playing checkers. Im not as down on him as many seem to be but to compare his style to Brady is a bit absurd.
     
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  30. That falls on the HC. He has the authority to override bad play calling.
     
  31. finsfandan

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    After that Philbin extension I cancelled my season tickets. When they asked why, I gave them that reason and the Tannenbaum hiring. Told them the owner is an idiot and I'd save my money and watch them on TV [emoji41]


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    If you want to figure out if the short passing game is tannehills or lazors decision then watch the eagles. We run a similar offense. If you want a deeper passing game then you want to fire lazor because his system is pretty much short passes
     
  33. Finster

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    It was a bad snap by Pouncey, but TOTALLY catchable by Tanne, he should have had it, it hit him in both hands in front of hid face, it did not go over his head until it bounced off his hands.
     
  34. jeremy2020

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    Ross. It starts at the top.
     
  35. rdhstlr23

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    Non-player: Stephen Ross
    Player: Suh

    I love Suh and think he's played well, especially since Coyle has been gone. But, we're farther away than we think and Miami could really use that cap space to give to more quality players along the defensive side of the ball.
     
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  36. finsfandan

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    I'm with you on both guys.

    I said it before a while ago. We should've never given Suh such a big contract and let Odrick go along with other above average players we had on much more team friendly contracts. We've always gotta make a splash in the offseason, be it the draft or free agency. What a joke. And Suh isn't the only one with an inflated contract but I'm not getting into that.


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  37. rdhstlr23

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    Suh is more worth his contract than Odrick has been for his.
    My issue with Suh is nothing playing related. From an individual standpoint, he's been great.
    We gave him the money with the thought it would elevate the defense and team to heights we haven't seen in some time.

    I'm all for building around Suh with that deal. The problem is that takes much longer considering you need to do it the most cost effective way, which is through the draft.

    Really REALLY need pass rush this next offseason.
     
  38. SuhMe

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    Stephen Ross.
     
  39. SuhMe

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    Because FA is really a great proven way to build a defense lol. If we didn't have Suh, we would be a pathetic football team on that side of the ball now and going forward from a talent perspective. Suh, Jelani, and Reshad at least give us something to build around instead of just a cap # with absolutely 0 guarantees in terms of player acquisition.
     
  40. Kud_II

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    Exactly. And I'm not saying Cameron is Gronk. What I'm saying is. Our play calling is so pedestrian we're not even giving our receivers a chance down field. We have Matthews Landry Stills Parker Cameron all being under-utilized.

    And despite our OL being bad at run blocking still, under Campbell the pass protection has improved, so there is no logical reason why we don't throw down field more.

    Lazor needs to be the next one out the door.
     

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