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What I feel we are lacking within this organization

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ExplosionsInDaSky, Nov 8, 2015.

  1. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion it is the unwillingness to gamble on certain players, while using naive thinking to wager on the wrong ones (Louis Delmas). I feel like the team doesn't do all that it can to produce a winning franchise. For all of Jerry Jones faults (and he has a lot of them) I tip my hat to the guy for doing whatever it takes to put a winning contending team on that field in Dallas. This guy would assassinate the pope if it meant Dallas getting a win. La'el Collins is a prime example of a guy we should have gambled on. Dez Bryant, Greg Hardy, Terrell Owens, the list goes on. Jones DNGAF and I think the whole idea is rather simple...Give these guys a second chance and if they screw it up they are out the door.
    Tyrann Mathiue is another name we passed a couple of years ago, I can keep naming names but I think those that read this will get my point. You have to gamble in sports sometimes, you have to take a chance on a guy that has God given ability but maybe has made some mistakes. We used to do it back when Jimmy Johnson was coaching this team. I remember Lawrence Phillips, Cecil Collins, and Terrell Buckley. Now Phillips and Collins were misses while Buckley was a talented player highly touted that had under performed in Green Bay, only to come to us and turn his career around. We just don't take these type of gambles anymore with this organization....Ricky Williams was another one we gave a second chance to.

    Joe Philbin did his absolute best to remove each and every player on this roster that not only possessed all world talent, but was still relatively young at the time. Still...a minor attitude problem, trash talking via text message, a little too much testosterone (God knows I had it in my 20's), combativeness issues (player was gone).... These are things you HAVE to put up with sometimes if you want to build a winning team. I imagine all locker rooms get dysfunctional at some point during a season, but how different would we be right now with Vontae Davis, Karlos Dansby, Sean Smith, Brandon Marshall, and Richie Incognito still here? How much better would we look if we had added Tyrann Mathieu, and La'el Collins to the mix over say Jamar Taylor and basically whoever we took after the fifth round of this last draft?

    We put faith in the wrong things this past summer (Delmas, Dallas Thomas) and we didn't do any thinking outside of the box and that is why our season has failed. Our drafting has been terrible, Philbin and company made sure to stay completely away from all word talents that had possible character issues while drafting the safer choices only to have it still blow up in their faces. Jonathon Martin i'm sure was nothing short of a choir boy in his interview along with his Stanford accolades, but ended up being a huge distraction due to some inner sensitivity issues. Not only did we lose a badass offensive lineman (Incognito), but we whiffed on picking Martin in the same process..A SECOND ROUND PICK!

    I could go on with the rant, and pardon me if it sounds like one. I don't post many threads I just think the ultimate problem is that we haven't been willing to say "hey screw it, lets give (insert player name) another shot, he's got some off the field issues but man can this guy really play". We also cut ties with players that I personally thought still had a ton of ability left in them...due to simple character flaws.
    Philbin wanted a team full of alter boys, yet he ended up with bullygate, Dion Jordan, Mike Wallace, and Ndamukong Suh. From the downgrade of Donnell Ellerbe from Karlos Dansby to the subtraction of Brandon Marshall to Chad Johnson (who never played for us). It's been one foot on, one foot off for quite some time now....We have no vision, and the whole Philbin disaster has set us back at least two seasons from where i'm sitting. The team can't draft for **** (have I said that yet)?. The whole entire outlook is one big cloudy Hunter S Thompson type of mindscrew aided with a nervous breakdown, high blood pressure, and a head full of graying hair.

    It's just really hard to be a fan of this team, but I find myself sticking it out year after year, just waiting for another contending team to emerge. 2008 was nice, but it was the phoniest winning season I have ever been a part of in Dolphins history....You just knew it wasn't real, that we weren't for real.
    An easy schedule and an injured Tom Brady allowed us to just barely sneak into the playoffs only to get massacred by Baltimore....Hardly the last playoff memory I want to have.

    It's been one big colossal meltdown year after year, and I can only imagine where we go from here....I guess we just keep going right?

    Rant Over
    thanks for reading.
    E.I.T.S
     
  2. CitizenSnips

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    I'm a big LSU fan who watched Tyrann Mathieu do nothing but make plays in death valley. Strip fumbles, ints, sacks, he just made plays. Wasn't the biggest, wasn't the fastest, but he made plays. Dude was a bona-fide star.

    But then he gets kicked off the team for pot. "Oh no, he's undraftable now!"

    And then...the Cardinals get him late 2nd round. Even changed his position. Now he's one of the best in the league. ****.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I dont think its about signing a bunch of talented punks...

    Theres no substitution for a good scouting satff and GM..

    I lobbied hard for badger.
     
  4. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    You mention 3 players currently on the cowboys. We tried for collins. Hardy should be in jail. The year of dez we had just acquired marshall so perhaps we thought we were set. It's not black and white that the cowboys are a better team because they took chances. They are a better team because they have drafted better than us. Our scouting and GM work is a muddled mess.
     
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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not sure how the cowboys are better than us without Romo, they have lost their last 6 games...we have a definite difference in qb but thats about it..both rosters have lots of holes.
     
  6. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I mention way more than just Dallas players. We let go of a lot of guys that were still in their prime. It's not about signing talented punks, it's about not being able to identify talent and then getting rid of the talent we have by substituting it with lesser talent.
     
  7. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    This team needs an identity. Have everyone be on the same page. One vision. No more seperate agendas. No more mismashing people from different regimes. No more half measures.

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  8. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    ^That's the other point I was trying to make.
     
  9. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't agree more. Only guy I wouldn't have gone after is Hardy. I would've gone after and kept everybody else.

    You kinda touched on it but didn't delve on it really but there's another issue. We always have to make the big draft pick with Tannehill and Jordan. Or the big offseason signing like Wallace and Suh. What ever happened to trading down to the second and third rounds to up your chances and rely on coaching? What ever happened to keeping players you know are good and having continuity?

    I think Ross is the issue. People say he wants to win but those moves scream "make a splash" instead of being sound football decisions. I know it's speculation but why does it keep happening under Ross regardless of the HC or GM?


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  10. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I think it starts with the GM and talent acquisition. Consider this, the 2013 offseason was supposed to be the one that laid the foundation for our success. We had 5 picks in the top 3 rounds and we essentially whiffed on all of them. To further add to that problem, we are getting next to no production out of this years draft. Phillips and Ajayi are contributing but not at a starting level. The 2014 draft brought us Landry and James but outside of that, next to no contribution. Landry is a bonafide impact player but the jury is still out on James. He seems serviceable although not top tier.

    You can't have 3 drafts that net you 3 starters and 3 role players. That just doesn't work. On top of that, Philbin pushed out players like Davis and Smith who could have been staples to our defense and solidified the CB position for years.
     
  11. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Right, both Davis and Smith were headed into their third or fourth year (I can't remember) as budding bona fide legit starters at the cornerback position.
    Axing Dansby for having an opinion, trading Marshall for virtually nothing....I mean all these guys are STILL playing at a high level. So we....bring in Mike Wallace (a one trick pony) and force him to do what Brandon Marshall is elite at, only to have Wallace kick the same diva attitude every star receiver has....Ellerbe is hyped as a great replacement for Dansby, but that fails as well. He's still getting burned in New Orleans haha. Incognito sends a text message to Jon Martin (who is out of the league) and gets released. Stupid, stupid, stupid. The ghost of Joe Philbin will haunt us for years to come, as will Jeff Ireland and the Dion Jordan selection. Hickey hasn't faired much better.
     
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  12. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Let's not trash Hickey yet. He's brought in Landry and James. How many drafts did it take us to get a couple of starters in the early rounds?

    As for Parker, that had Ross written all over it like Wallace, Suh and Jordan did. Always gotta make a splash.


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  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    so is this thread a moral debate on whether we should lower our morals and go after questionable character guys?
     
  14. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    No, I think you're misreading it a bit. I gave examples of certain players that I felt we should have gambled on, and I credited Jerry Jones for doing whatever it takes to compete. While I don't support Greg Hardy as a person, I support the guts it took to take a chance on him from a team/pr perspective. Winning makes all that other crap go away, and had Romo not gotten hurt Dallas would be running away with that division.
    With all due respect please just re read some of my comments in this thread. I did my best to create a decent topic. I fear you're looking at it in a rather narrow minded approach. I can go back and edit some stuff if it helps.
     
  15. jw3102

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    Dallas has won a total of 4 playoff games since they last won a SB in 1996. So using their approach to turn this team around really makes no sense at all.

    Instead, they need to hire a first class front office who actually knows how to draft NFL quality talent. They then need to hire the next Bill Belichick and find the next Tom Brady.

    If you want to look at a franchise who knows how to win in the NFL, you look at the Patriots. They didn't draft or sign any of the players the Cowboys did and they have been a far better team because of it.
     
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  16. Brasfin

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    Disagree with the bolded.

    Billy Turner and Walt Aikens have played a fair amount this season... Fede is a good role player.

    Turner was a 3rd rounder and he has played pretty well so far this season considering his position in the draft and how raw he was coming out of college.

    Aikens hasn't played all that well but he was 4th rounder, you can't realistically expect him to be a good player coming into his second season. Fede has exceeded all expectations so far, 7th rounders don't usually go far in this league. Hazel has been good as far as 6th round picks go.

    Really, the only guys who have not produced were Tripp and Lynch, two 5th round picks.

    The 2014 draft is looking like a homerun to me so far.
     
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  17. jdallen1222

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    Aint gonna happen until Ross finally uses that broom he's soo afraid to use.
     
  18. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Ugh I wasn't strictly using Dallas, and New England has gambled on talent with questionable character issues as much as any team....Remember Corey Dillon, LaGarette Blount, Brandon Browner, Aaron Hernandez, Randy Moss???? I do.
     
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  19. DolphinGreg

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    NFL success comes down to 2 things: how you grade players and how you teach players.

    Miami does not grade players well as evidenced by who they draft and where as well as by how they operate in FA.

    Miami does not teach well given how few of the young players show any signs of development after coming aboard.

    It's not about reaching on troubled guys or taking on more unnecessary risk. For example none of the 32 teams selected La'el Collins which tells you they probably all agreed not to. Miami went after him as hard as anyone.
     

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