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Ryan Tannehill’s struggles in divisional road games mirror those of Miami Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Nov 5, 2015.

  1. resnor

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    There was no pocket on that play where he fumbled.
     
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  2. hazed819

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    Want to see a good young QB thats still learning the game. Carr in Oakland, Tannehill will never be that... and thats Carr still learning
     
  3. BigNastyDB13

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    Thill has actually done a solid job hitting guys deep. His accuracy on those passes has come a long ways this season yet we still rarely see it. I'm not even mad that we don't throw more bombs. I just get sick of the 2 yard passes on 3rd and 3+. We might as well punt on anything over 8 yards on 3rd down. It seriously looks like Thill says to himself "ok it's 3rd and 6 so I'm going to throw to Landry on the 2 yard crossing route no matter what". That's what aggravates me the most.
     
  4. sad dolfan

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    You do understand there is a defense on the field? Maybe that's the only open guy? You notice there were no picks? That's why.
     
  5. bakedmatt

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    We don't know what the coverage looked like downfield on those short passes. Ryan didn't have any trouble letting it fly today.
     
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  6. bakedmatt

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    I thought the 40 yard bomb to Watkins was the turning point.
     
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  7. Fin-O

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    Ryan was good today overall, I can't blame him much for the Safety...the fumble he actually had time just for whatever reason didn't feel the pressure like a lot of QBs do. Of course the bs perfect bounce Jerry Hughes got was laughable.

    Ryan is who he is, my opinion of him has really been molded this season and the bottom line is you can win Tannehill. But if you are ever going to win anything significant?? You better have a ton of talent around him. Until then?? Look forward to more avg seasons for the Miami Dolphins.
     
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  8. Fin-O

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    Right but but it's safe to assume 3.5 years in that the opposition is NOT afraid of our "deep game"
     
  9. BigNastyDB13

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    The problem is Thill wouldn't know it if there was an open guy because he's locked in on the short crossing route. Just like he missed an open man over the middle on that 3rd down all out blitz because he was locked in on 1 guy who got blanketed. It happens to every QB but unfortunately it happens to Thill more frequently. I did notice there were no picks. I also noticed there were no tds and a costly fumble. Thill didn't exactly get blindsided on that fumble either.
     
  10. sad dolfan

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    LOL, and you can tell this from your couch?

    I think you are wrong.
     
  11. jdang307

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    That's just not correct. In their super bowl winning year at least 2013 (I tried to find 2014 but couldn't) he was much better in the pocket than outside of it. He was still good outside of it, which is where he really separates himself, but in their super bowl winning year he was better when not flushed out of the pocket.

    The reason he breaks contain so much is how bad his line is. People think Tanny has a bad line? They've never looked at Seattles. He faced pressure on 46% of his drop backs last year, and faced more pressure from 4 rushers than anyone else. Wilson's line has been really, really, bad. All without any great WR or TE. The run game and defense contributed to their success, but nobody did more with less in Wilson. No oline, no stellar WRs. The passing offense was almost all Wilson.
     
  12. jw3102

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    With a lot of talent around him, the Dolphins could make the playoffs, but he just isn't a QB who could lead this team to the SB. He really hasn't grown this year. As you stated, he is who and what he is and to me, he is a mid tier NFL QB who is a game manager type QB. He is not one of the type QB's you feel can lead your team to victory when the game is on the line and you need your QB to step up and make plays to win a game.

    What he is, is another Alex Smith. A QB who can win if you everyone else around him have a great game. When all is said and done, I think Tannehill will eventually be replaced in the next few years by a younger and hopefully more aware QB in Miami.
     
  13. pumpdogs

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    Please stop!Tannehill is always outplayed by the opposing afc qb just about everytime.He is not capable of doing what tyrod taylor did today and that is making big plays to win games.
    You are embarrsing yourself with these damm excuses week after week.Once we are down by 2 tds the games is always over because tannehill has never brought us back ever with a second half deficit.
    You either have no football IQ(with I don't believe)or you are one of those guys in which you can't admit your wrong.
     
  14. BigNastyDB13

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    Tell what? That he locks onto 1 guy most the time? Yeah I can. That's pretty obvious, unfortunately.
     
  15. jdang307

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    Derek Carr looks fantastic in just his second year. He has had good protection up front now, though. But he looks good.

    I thought Tanny looked good today. He hit on a few nice deep passes. Those looked good. Didn't play bad at all. Fox did an okay job for a while but then it was comedy hour towards the end. Protection wasn't that bad. Team just couldn't finish drives or stop Buffalo.
     
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  16. bakedmatt

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    You're awfully confident.
     
  17. PhinsMondayNitro

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    You said it. Tannehill has reached his ceiling.
     
  18. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Pressure - I just don't think he can handle it. December games with the playoffs on the line? Well we've seen how well that went. Primetime games? Meh. Divisional road games against New England and Buffalo? Painful to watch.

    It's not only Tannehill, as the OL is poor-to-mediocre and the Defense is sketchy at best, coaching has been a big problem. But he is no solution right now either. There seems to be two camps - one who think everything is wrong except Tannehill and that he's a young player (in his 4th year) with no help. And the other camp who just blames him and nobody else. Like the back-to-back botched safety snaps. Its not only one or the other's fault, its both Tannehill & Pouncey's fault, who make way too much money to be doing that two weeks in a row in big divisional games.

    Why is Cam Newton doing so well? No way they have better WR's on their roster...TED GINN is one of them. We'll call it even, but imagine Landry on the Panthers. You can see a marked improvement there in QB play, even with Ted Ginn Jr being a WR.
     
  19. Fin-O

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    I think he is a notch ahead of game manager status...he has done some good things this year, but has lost ground to a lot of QBs I originally considered him better than or close to. Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Derek Carr...you could make an argument for Bridgewater as well. I still like him slightly over Alex Smith and Nick Foles types though. So to me he is in the 15-20 range, but unlike a Foles he won't stink it up to cost you a game very often.

    I suggest we start building a good young defense and drafting an Ezekiel Elliot type and plan on winning games that way.
     
  20. bakedmatt

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    Does your opinion of Carr change any if I tell you that most of his passing yards have been YAC?
     
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  21. bakedmatt

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    Just resign Miller and add more Ajayi. That first round draft pick HAS to go to the defense.
     
  22. PhinsMondayNitro

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    He's one of the highest rated QB's against the blitz. Where does Tannehill rank in that category?
     
  23. bakedmatt

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    I don't know. Tell me.
     
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    Every QB in the NFL does some good things from time to time, even the bad ones. Heck, even Chad Henne had his productive moments.
    I have seen Tannehill play twice this season against the Bills and in both games, Taylor outplayed him. Taylor is considered a very average QB in the NFL at this time. So what does that say about Tannehill?

    I do agree that he is in the 15-20 range. I have him closer to 20 than 15. I also realize that at this time he is the best QB on the roster and it isn't likely they will find his replacement in this years draft. So I can see him being the QB through the 12016 season, but it won't surprise me in the least if the Dolphins aren't looking to replace him by 2017.
     
  25. bakedmatt

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    It doesn't mean much because they don't play each other head to head.
     
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  26. jw3102

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    It means one QB makes plays to help his team win the game and the other QB doesn't. I would trade Tannehill for Taylor and not think twice about it.
     
  27. bakedmatt

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    I already know how you feel.
     
  28. djphinfan

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    agreed here, Ajayi looks like the goods..defense looks like sh##..
     
  29. resnor

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    I wonder how Tannehill would look playing against our defense?
     
  30. Fin-O

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    Thats taking it it a little too far...unless you just think pretty high of Tyrod.
     
  31. resnor

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    I was speaking about a specific play, where a poster specifically said that Tannehill lacked "pocket presence."

    Surely you can understand that, even despite your willingness to toss Tannehill to the side.
     
  32. bakedmatt

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    He's upset.
     
  33. jw3102

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    Actually I like his game. He throws the ball very well and he has an awareness in the pocket which Tannehill doesn't. I think if he had as many games as a starter in the NFL as Tannehill does, he could easily be seen as a top 10-15 QB.
     
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  34. Fin-O

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    24-32 298 yards 1 Td 1 INT
     
  35. jw3102

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    I am not the least bit upset. I have never been a big Tannehill fan and he has basically played down to my expectations. I have been a Dolphin fan since 1966. So I recognize the difference between talent and mediocrity. I quit being upset with this organization a while ago.

    It it is what it is and it going to take several years and a much better front office before anything changes with this team. Instead of being upset. I accepted mediocrity from this team several years ago and year after year, they never disappoint me.
     
  36. Fin-O

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    Thats reasonable. Not that I would make the trade but I was discussing with a friend how these playmaking running QBs can afford to be flawed a lot more than a guy like Ryan for example because at the very least they make those 3rd and 7 first down runs that just takes the wind out of defenses. Even if they have a lot to do with why you are in 3rd and long.
     
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  38. jdang307

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    I'm not ready to say I'd trade them straight up, but Tyrod has looked good so far this year. Sample size is too low but before this game he had a 103 rating, 70% completion, 8.0 ypa. Good TD %, high INT %.

    That is just his passing. His running just puts cream on that.
     
  39. CitizenSnips

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    And he's already missed more games than Tannehill as a starter.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    T-mobile was 11 for 12 today JD..10 rushes for 45 yards.
     

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