Mel Kiper bashes Tannehill

what you going to bash him for two weeks now praise him. we told you it was the oline. brandon albert came back and tanny played well. we've been telling you that for two years now. but dont worry. im sure albert or pouncey or james will miss a game the rest of the season and you'll be able to blame the inevitable nosedive of the offense on tannehill again. but for now eat your crow

 

That's not what I said. If we keep this up, we will qualify as a stacked team. This team has a lot of talent but could use improvement. I believe today's performance was exceptional but won't necessarily be an anomaly. Especially after this offseason if Campbell shows enough to stick around.


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we need two more offensive linemen, one or two linebackers and two defensive backs. if we can get four out of six we will be stacked. we'll see how good tannenbaum is this next offseason

 

I don't get why we can't give each other props when we're right. If somebody gave a prediction and it came true I'd gladly give props.


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Right about what?

 

I agree, especially on the LBs. I know what I'm about to say would've sounded insane before this game but I want to see how the OL performs for the rest of the season before we make changes again.

I never thought our OL was evaluated fairly because they had to drop into pass pro way too often (yes, even Thomas lol). Also the OL requires a LOT of chemistry and a lot of turnover is usually not good there.


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hahahahahaha

 

Forget about it. I thought you were referring to me since I pounded my chest a little bit for fun.


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i really hope we stay healthy on the oline for most of the season. we are razor thin and the drop off when one of our big three gets hurt is huge. did you catch billy turner. overall he looked ok but on a couple plays he got blown up. i hope he's an improvement somewhat

 

Unfortunately I didn't get to see most of the game because I had to attend a baptism. How did Thomas and Douglas do? I remember them being ranked in the low 70s amongst starting guards. Pretty much the absolute worst interior guards in the NFL.


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Nope, not you. Fun is great. Some posters appear only to come from a place of butt sore. Name-calling, belittling I don't consider coming from a place fun, just showing immaturity.

I give credit when credit is due and Tannehill played a great game today. I'm happy about that I also give criticism when I think it is due and Tannehill had not played well all season until today. I'm all for Tannehill playing at this level consistently. That means we have a great team and I am a Dolphin fan!!! But this one game hasn't changed my mind about Tannehill. It's a good start. Playing well when everyone else is playing well describes 31 other starting QBs and most of their backups.

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer and Landry Jones all played as well as Tannehill but I don't consider any of them great, franchise, Tier 2 or elite QBs. Not to mention this is a team that has lost 18 of their last 21 games.

Personally, I think the mark of great, franchise, Tier 2 or above, elite QB is 1) consistently play at a high level, 2) be a great leader elevating the play of those around them, 3) when not everyone around them, including themselves, that when the game is on the line they are able to step of their game and lead their team to a win and 4) play well during big-time games...Tannehill has yet to meet any of these standards.

But I am a Dolphin fan, so when a player plays well and we win I think it's AWESOME and happy to give praise and Tannehill earned it today as far as I'm concerned.

 

By credit due I meant to posters, like me, since I pretty much had the same game plan as this coaching staff [emoji41]

I'm with you on Tannehill. This game, if anything, highlights exactly what I've been saying about him all along. Wasn't exceptional but performed well with a complimentary squad and the right game plan. He's not detrimental. I've never said that. I think some have misconstrued what I've been saying. He just needs the right cast and game plan and he'll be more than okay.


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Because that's not what this thread has been all year when he's been having bad games, behind a terrible, probably worst in the league OL? Riiiight.

This thread is pure comedy gold of uselessness.

Even when you guys were presented with credible, sensible information from Boomer, you've all still carried on with the nonsense.

The pass to Stills was the best you've ever seen him throw? Seriously? I mean, yes, nice pass, great, but Ryan Tannehill has had so many other spectacular plays, and throws than that one. That play, was a real testament to the coaching staff, finally playing to WIN, not to loose. Philbin was so conservative, it's not even funny. And if you don't think that has an effect on your QB, then, again, I feel sorry for you. If you dont think giving Ryan Tannehill protection from a reasonable OL makes him (or anyone!) a better QB, then again, I don't know what to tell you. It's worthless to even try.

Tannehill showed if the entire team plays well he can? Are you ****ing serious? If Jordan Cameron makes a catch rather than let it bounce off his hands, and if Jordan Cameron runs a correct route, he was ****ing flawless today. That's on the rest of the team? Not him? Give me a ****ing break. Do you realize that football is much easier for anyone, any QB, any RB... when the offense is balanced? It keeps the defense honest. That's the ****ing problem here... everyone wants to put the entire game on the QB... because ESPN says so and because of that, some can't see the forest for the trees.

I don't know why I keep clicking on this thread. For a laugh once in a while I guess, but all it does is get me angry.

 

This is happy horse****.

You have been pounding the table for awhile that W/L are a QB stat, and when we win you try to minimalize Tannehill's day...

Man up, admit you've been wrong and change your story.

 

Sure appears you don't come from a place of fun.

I am big enough and have watched football long enough to make up my own mind and don't rely on others to do it for me. And I don't consider claiming Brady doesn't have pocket presence to be credible. If you do, cool...to each his own.

 

I don't want to be inflammatory or anything and correct me if I was wrong, but wasn't Boomer's post about how bad the OL was and how Tannehill couldn't operate behind them?

This OL kicked butt today. They got all the blame, along with the defense, when it was mostly on Philbin, Lazor and Coyle. All they had to do was change the game plan.

Edit: I want to stand by my statement that it was partly on Tannehill. He didn't audible to runs enough or throw screens or run the read option or play action. QBs can communicate with the OC to run those and I doubt Lazor told him not to.


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Sounds like you need a hug Your guy played great today might as well enjoy it. Or not, your choice.

Not trying to minimalize anything. This does go under Tannehill's W/L record.

 

9.2. can anyone guess what this number is?

Spoiler

Tannehill's YPA this game.

PS: Not trying to argue anything, btw, just pointing it out.

 

A place of fun? Ok... so you can go on about W/L's being a QB thing, but when the QB wins, you minimize it... great.

That's the whole point here, you ***** about kingergarten crap, but then come in here with it because he played very well today, but you say that's because of everyone else?

I mean come on bro... you're being ridiculous.

With that, I'm out. This thread is just too pointless.

 

Yes, and that's the point here, so the OL plays better... and so does the QB. Because, it allows him time, and allows us to have a running game. Is it performance of the OL, or scheme. I dont know, I'll have to watch it again. I dont really get your point though?

I think the stark contrast here today, between a Philbin coached game, negates anything and everything from the past. Philbin was clearly an ultra conservative, stick to the gameplan and the gameplan only kind of coach. That just... doesn't work in the NFL. It affects everyone. WR, QB, RB, DL, DB, etc, etc. We saw crazy improvements from all those area's today.

Thats the problem here, everyone wants to identify one thing... it's not one thing. This is football. It's NEVER one thing.

As mentioned above... Done.

 

I think maybe you need to read back a little then, because when I made my 1st comment today it was towards someone posting, "The most ridiculous things anyone has said about Tannehill this year." And the posts he quoted were comparing him to the names I copied/pasted BASED ONLY ON TODAY'S PERFORMANCE.

I wasn't arguing with you either though; my comments were aimed at the delusions until you called me a liar. Sorry, "disingenuous".

 

LOL...what part of Tannehill played great, other than Tannehill played great is so hard for you to comprehend? His record as a starter is now 25-28 in his career and 2-3 this year.

It seems hilarious to me that I am more excited about Miami winning and Tannehill playing great than his fan club.

This is a good day to be a Dolphin fan. Why not just enjoy it?

 

Thinking your QB acumen is a joke and wanting you to eat some crow is not mutually exclusive with enjoying the win. But it is interesting how your ego works.

 

We got him on the move early and often, this mitigated the rush as well, he ran zone read, he ran unscripted, and he rolled right, all in the first quarter, all three plays resulted in positive gains..

there was a throw to stills i believe over the middle where he took something off the throw, it was a real good throw..

lets keep him mobile and go for it, lets stop worrying about anything and utilize every skill he has..

 

My point was that it wasn't all on the OL like I believe Boomer made it out to be and so many agreed with him and thanked his post. I'll have to revisit his post but that's how I remember it. The OL looked bad for a long time because of the play calling and coaching.

It really was about one thing. The game plan, which is a byproduct of the coaching staff. There were literally no other changes. Same starters. Same OL except for Albert and nobody can say the LT got blown up all season. Nobody can say Albert was the single biggest factor this game. That'd be a ridiculous argument. He's a difference maker but not to the tune of 38-10.


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This is opposed to the overwhelming amount of posts through the first four games from people saying how much talent this team lacked, and I don't recall you refuting them by saying we were full of talent.

 

Eat crow? Ryan has had more bad games than good games this year, and I don't recall anyone here admitting he played bad without a bunch of "yea but's". So now when he plays well along with every other Dolphin today you think it vindicates something?

You and Res have relentlessly hated on the Defense and the OL, guess what...they played outstanding today. Does this vindicate those units? Should you be eating crow since obviously you were wrong about the defense??

Whole team played well, NOBODY here should be told to eat crow...because if so? Then I guess every one critical of the OL, Def, Lamar Miller should too.

Just be fair about it.

 

You don't think attributing definitely one, arguably both, of those interceptions to Tannehill is being disingenuous?

 

Uh...the defense and oline playing well, and we see a blowout PROVES OUR POINT. It's what we've been saying ALL ALONG.

 

You're being ignorant, the question is it on purpose or not.

We've said the oline effects Tannehill's game. We've been told we were wrong about that. Don't pull your rewrite history BS.
We've said the defense effects W/L record. We've been told we were wrong about that. Don't pull your rewrite history BS.

Just stop. The evidence is in this thread and countless others. You're basically arguing that water isn't wet. I know you desperately need a win in this thread since you're tired of being my property, but this won't be it either, Champ. Sprinkles are for winners.

 

Here's the post I'm referring to. I think we can all see that the blame on the OL was exaggerated. No OL would look good dropping back in pass protection 75% of the time.


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I said Tannehill had two picks and zero TD's in the first half. That's not attributing anything to anyone because it's what actually happened.

 

You're blaming me for something I DIDN'T post about as opposed to pointing out something I was clearly wrong about? Now that's a stretch.

If anything you can go through my post history and find something contradictory. Go ahead. Link me to the thread too.


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Think whatever you want. I enjoy when Miami wins and when any and every player plays well. This includes Tannehill.

Speaking of egos and correct me if I'm wrong, didn't you spend years and create thousands of posts singing the praises of Jeff Ireland and trying to convince everyone what a good job he was doing?

 

Sure. But we also were arguing that you don't say Tannehill sucks because he had no time behind the oline. The gameplan was crap, but the oline was horrendous. Of course, we can also look at last year, and see that when Albert went down, the oline became terrible. We saw the sane thing this year.

 

Yes, of course he's wrong. I mean when you get to make up the percentage you think someone's blaming something on, then give cursory (at best) reasons as to why that percentage is wrong....its easy to be right.

Good job.

 

It does?? And what point is that?

 

You posted it to cast Tannehill's first half in a bad light, when the ints were pretty clearly not his fault. It was disingenuous.

 

What?

I'm not "blaming" you for anything. I'm saying, I didn't see you disagreeing with the many people posting that we were losing because we lacked talent.

 

He was making the case that the OL was a complete liability. The entire post was about that.

I'm only pointing it out since so many agreed with him.


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