Mel Kiper bashes Tannehill

If a 3 man rush is getting pressure then maybe that is evidence that the QB is not doing himself any favors? You know you are allowed to move around a little bit to help the 5 or 6 protectors re-engage with the 3 defenders.

 

What's childish is you commenting on my comment, and FinDs, but not the guy who initially made it. Or, that I never see you two members to stop with the trolling, or the personal insults. But reference Shouright, you're quick to call people out.

And what is childish about it? He posts very similarly to Shou. Why do you get so defensive about that?

 

I rarely see 3 man rushes, though, it's usually 4 man rushes. Where should your a QB go when defenders come through gaps, and there are lbs waiting for you if you manage to get out and run.

 

I did read it. I'm showing you, how good Rodgers is, even with the crappy defense GB had.

In that 2013 year, of the 6 wins, only one was a GWD/4QC. To allow that many points, and win that many games, and not need many 4QC/GWD, means it's all Rodgers. Further evidenced by them losing so much after just losing Rodgers. Green Bay has not been known for stellar defense, yet Rodgers only has 13 GWD/4QC games in his whole career. Ryan already has 8.

We know Rodgers isn't throwing a lot of picks. Their defense hasn't been known to be tops. Yet he has so few GWDs considering he's been playing since 2008. 4th quarter comebacks and GWDs are a sign of a QB with moxie but also, may be a sign of a QB giving points away with turnovers.

Rodgers ain't giving games away usually.

 

Tannehill's wife aint ugly, but she does look hungry/sickly. Dem soccer legs

 

lmao.

Thread needs to be renamed to "Dolphins Fans Bashes Tannehill (Lauren)"

 

Whats his post? Maybe?

I dont discriminate


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There are good, smart posters, on both sides, who have made good points. The thing is……. both sides are right.


In the end, in another season or so, for this team, we’ll know if Tanne is this teams’ franchise QB or just another on the long list of dead men walking the plank into the post Marino QB abyss.

One side will seem right, but even that won’t really matter because those people will just be wrong on another topic. Unfortunately, there’s a big portion of this and the success or failure that really comes down to luck, timing and circumstance.

In the end, what could be because of luck, timing and circumstance, we may never know the real answer. That would take too long to explain.


I’ve been a big Tanne supporter. However, at times, I have also been very critical of his play.

Of course he certainly has been hampered by several atrocious OLs. Before the season started, I mentioned how if Albert goes down this team is screwed. I got flack for that one. Well…..

However, you can’t always look at things as a whole. “The Devils is in the details”.
Yes, the OL has, for the most part, been atrocious. However, you have to also look at things from a play by play basis. The OLs have been horrible, but there certainly have been plays where he has had sufficient time and still showed some alarming signs. He’s also showed signs of greatness. It’s the alarming signs that have to be reduced. One will say all QBs will make those alarming plays. They do not and if they did, it’s not on as much of a regular basis or as common and they balance it with amazing big plays. It seems that in every game, Tanne obviously makes some nice throws, but there are always that handful of “WTF?” throws. There are throws when he had sufficient time, but was just so off target. You’ll even hear the TV announcers, who are or aren’t great football minds, have an instant gut reaction of “ugggh,” “eeww”, etc. Ha!! You so rarely hear that when watching the great QBs. It’s true that there have been those hand full of throws in just about every damn game. In this league, you just can not keep leaving points on the field and expect to have success. That has to stop and get better. I too, like all of us would just absolutely love to see him have a season with a decent to good OL. I truly hope that he gets that chance. The debate may then be finally put to rest, but I doubt that it even would at that point and that's cool.


Here, imo, are my Pros and Cons for Tanne:

PROS:

- Tough. Takes a beating and keeps on ticking.
- Can be deadly in the short to intermediate passing game.
- Strong arm
- Can lazor it into tight spaces. (no pun)
- Durable
- Good straight line speed.
- His absolute best quality is; Resiliency. He really just throws stuff off and just keeps slinging it and that is f’ing awesome and admiral. Now, I am not sure if it’s him being resilient or just because he’s a bit of an aloof goof and he’s just not aware.. You know, the ignorance is bliss thing. LOL. At this point, I will certainly give him credit for possessing that great quality.
- Climbs the pocket well
- He has a good attitude and acts like a professional.
- Etc, etc, etc
-

NEGATIVES;

- Lacks Touch and accuracy on certain throws.
- Poor at sensing and avoiding pressure.
- Lacks that that kind of circular, side to side movement needed to avoid pressure.
- Terrible with the deep ball.
- Terrible touch on those fade routes,
- Collapses at the most inopportune times.
- Etc, etc, etc


I’ve, obviously, left out certain things on both lists, but that’s the gist.

* So much comes down to the intangibles.

Basically, in the end, who the fark knows?? That’s it.! Until this is realized, this debate will never end. Probably won’t even end then, but whatever? It is what it is. It's cool.

Regardless of all of this, I, like most of you, go into every game thinking and hoping for the best and rooting like a madman. It’s just been a rough stretch being a Phin fan. Again, it’s in the details. It’s in the moments and even in these crazy times for us Phin fans, there has been many good moments and I will never change. Go Phins! Go Cambell!! Go Phins!! Superbowl baby!!

Peace!

 

WAIT a second...

Week 6 after our Bye against Green Bay was at the end of the season? Oh my god, I had no idea! The D was obviously GASSED after FOUR WHOLE GAMES, when they were playing like the #1 D in football. Week #10, maybe a BIT more understandable... Week #12... is 3/4ths through the season. Still not the end.

So your problem is, when Tannehill leads us on a drive to come from behind and take the lead, that we score too soon? How dare he leave time on the clock! What a terrible QB. He should just take more time. Why score points when you know you can, when you can TRY to burn the clock with the run?

Seriously?

We're done here bro.

 

HE's talking about two different situations. That's why there is a "." between the two statements. The gassed part has been argued many times about the defense towards the end of the season.

 

This is the issue I have in general with this topic. It's as though the quarterback is understood by some to be merely a hapless victim of his surroundings, unable to exert any influence on those surroundings.

The average quarterback drafted into the league doesn't become great, and that's very likely because the vast majority of them don't have the individual ability to.

Until a quarterback actually becomes great, the better money by far is on his being one of the vast majority who simply does not have that ability.

The theory that "we can't evaluate" Tannehill because of his surroundings makes sense logically, in that a player's surroundings indeed have an effect on him, but when the majority of the players at the position don't become great, it makes far more sense to believe that Tannehill will simply be another one of them until further notice.

 

Well, I could point to his stats from last year, or the clear consistent improvement he has had in every year since his rookie year BARRING this year, when he has had his worst O line and running game yet. I could say that he was the first QB in Dolphins history to go 154 pass attempts without an interception, he has 200 less yards in his first three seasons than Dan Marino did, he had the highest completion % for any dolphins QB ever. There's some positives of Tannehill.

He has had poor receivers, a poor offensive line, and our Defense has been worse every year.

However, people will say, "Lol, great QBs will their team to win #NOEXCUSES". "Tannehill isn't Rodgers so he sucks cut him." OR, they will pin the success of the offense on RT17.

The fact of the matter is, our offense has been okay. Last year, we scored 42 TDs on offense. Our opponents scored a total of 42 TDs against us. Ryan Tannehill threw 27 TDs, opposing QBs threw 27 TDs against us all year. We were the #14 Offense in the league in 2014, up from #27 in 2013. If we were the #14 offense with the PLETHORA of issues on offense that are NOT all on Ryan Tannehill, such as the fact that we were #10 in dropped passes last year and he was one of the most pressured and sacked QBs, then can we agree that Ryan Tannehill has shown he is capable of leading an offense that is in the top 1/3rd of the league?

I am not saying Tannehill is a perfect QB. I am saying he is a good to very good QB that still flashes elite potential. His off days are not pretty, but he very rarely has lost a game for us, and he has done his part to win games.

If we can agree on that, then can we agree that we need to address the other issues on the team first?

 

The problem comes when one argues with certainty that Tannehill will NOT be great, based upon this that occur beyond his control. Ignoring the improvement every year (this year not seemingly the case), and ignoring the really good games he's put up, despite the crap team that had been around him. The problem being, certain people seemingly wanting HoF play from a developing QB, who is on a team that that would struggle against D1 college teams.

 

You really don't have the personality to be lazy as well.

 

I dont live live to argue with ppl, it's that LIFE thing I suggested earlier.

 

I think you and others are looking at this a black and white issue. it's not unfair to evaluate Tannehill. he is an integral part of the team. where many take offense is when blanket criticisms of him that clearly have external influences are placed squarely at his feet. there hasn't been one person in this thread or any other thread that has flat out said "nope. Tannehill is fine." and accepted a finished product. just isn't happening. Thill has plenty to work on. but he has made significant strides inspite of the albatross that clearly hangs around his neck. there are those of you who clearly don't like Tannehill and no matter what response is given things are skewed to prove why that view is the correct view.

I find the scheme that he is asked to run very frustrating as it make him quite often a sitting duck in the backfield. we have no protection for him. no running game. and though the WR's are seemingly improved have had a mixed result so far this year. is he without blame? no. he clearly has happy feet and hears footsteps (and any other cliche you can think of) and makes questionable decisions. like Dj I wish they'd move him around a bit. unlike DJ I'm not so crazy about running him more but that is just my opinion.

I often see merit in a lot of the critiques of Tannehill but his position requires input from 10 other players more than any other position and when those variables are not included I find that annoying. criticize away he deserves it like every other player. just do it without laying responsibility of the entire franchise at his feet.

 

Nice post.






But who really does that?

 

Really it is not just the QB. Though he is the face of the franchise and team. It is indeed the eleven other mn.

 

The vast majority of the posters critiquing Tannehill here.

I can't tell if you're serious with these posts, or really simply trolling, like other posters have told me you are doing.

 

Just a small sampling from the last few pages, Fin.

 

Yea?? I'll accept 3 examples if you dont mind.

One poster doesnt alienate an entire group.


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This is a favorite tactic of yours. Sorry, dude, but I'm not going through pages and pages of posts, to glean out for you the evidence you deny exists. It's been prevalent in any and every thread that had anything to do with Tannehill.

Anyone who criticizes Tannehill, while saying that those pointing at the defense/oline/coaching/run game/receivers are "making excuses."

 

Says the guy on here everyday arguing with me and others.

You definitely don't have the personality to overcome being lazy and delusional.

Are you at least pretty?

 

You are your fathers son.

If you cant prove it? Then stop making these bs claims. Numerous posters have included the obvious issues and have for a while now. But that doesnt stop you 2 from always claiming "You guys think its all Ryans fault" its middle school shnit, taking one or two guys who are not even regular posters and trying to make some site wide claim.

Grow up, that does nothing productive for the topic. Simply block or ignore the one or two guys who have REALLY said its all Ryans fault...then maybe you can be capable of a debate that isnt fiction ridden.


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Kinda...


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No they haven't.

Look, people can't make W/L a QB stat AND blame the oline....come to think of it...AND blame the coach....AND blame the owner...

Yet, that is EXACTLY what happens.

 

So was Rodgers scoring record points per game or was the defense holding the other team to a reasonable number?

 

I'll gladly accept more proof of a poster who claims we are 1-3 solely because of Ryan.

........i'll hang up n listen.


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Funny.

You yourself have championed the "we're 8-8 because Tannehill has had 8 above average games and 8 below average games".

Wait, you gonna deny that too?

 

Another favorite tactic: change the discussion. Who was discussing ONLY this season? I was referencing those of you who have constantly blamed Tannehill for everything. You guys cite win/loss record, or playoff wins, or any number of things that aren't solely on Tannehill.

Are you really denying these things? You really are delusional, or simply trolling.

 

How do we know Tannehill isn't largely the albatross hanging over the team's neck?

Again, these viewpoints seem to start with the assumption or philosophical position that only the QB can be affected by the team, and not vice-versa. It's entirely possible for example that the limitations of a QB on an NFL team could ripple outward in such a way that they affect the offensive line, the running game, the receivers, and even the defense.

Think about it this way: if you put me out there at QB on an NFL team, obviously the entire team would fall apart. There would be no measure of talent elsewhere on a roster that could compensate for my ineptitude. Likewise, it's entirely possible that the Miami Dolphins are suffering a similar dynamic but to a lesser magnitude.

 

God your simple. Cite win loss record? Please. The only time ive dome that is too refute your dumbass claim Ryan had some great year and deserved more wins. Tell that to your dad too, although i doubt it registers for either of you.

You just log on and babble, and trolling? Thats morons who make false claims daily then refuse to back up their bs.

Schools out fellas, uncle finO simply wants you guys to be accountable for what you spew. And stop playing the "lazy" card. If i was wrong you and her would be qouting 100's of examples instead of letting me continue to make you guys look bad by calling you on your blanket statements.





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No, trolling is doing things that you know will incite other posters, just to incite them.

As to the stuff I "spew," It's almost universally in response to stuff you and others say about Tannehill. It's always been that way.

Fact, I don't need to go through thousands of posts to find all the stuff you've said. It's not worth my time.

 

Translation: You likely didn't say what I've accused you of, so the best course of action is not to admidt that....but deflect.

I had high hopes for you when you 1st joined, I'm sorry this has is the path you have taken.

 

No. Stop projecting your garbage onto me.

It's very simple: I don't need to waste my time going through thousands of posts by you, to prove what I'm saying. Me sifting through three+ years of posts to prove what everyone knows is true is pointless, because you wouldn't change your tune. It would be futile.

And I couldn't care less about any hopes you had for me.

 

ahh much better..

 

Well Blake was actually a quarterback before he was a quarterback. After reading all this crap, except for the guy who said Brady doesn't have good pocket presence, I have come to a conclusion.... the line is no worse than many others and Tanny is beginning to show his true colors. He is a below average quarterback and has very little upside. IMO.

 

Brady had 17 in his first four years and man he was surrounded by weapons...givens, branch, brown, lol.

Now, to be fair, they did have pretty good defenses. I guess they were just good enough to give TFB an unbelievable amount of chances to win games in the fourth quarter. Of course, we know what Tommy did...he used his horrible pocket presence to put teams away for the last 15 years.

 

He had a pretty good defense, didn't he? Not to mention, Vinatieri making plenty of field goals for him.

 

It's pointless to even try man. He's going to spin the comments however he wants lol.