Mel Kiper bashes Tannehill

Not 300 yards and 4 TDs, but Russell Wilson the past couple years, has had less time to throw, more pressure etc.

And right now owns the 2nd highest QB rating of all time. So yeah, not magical. At least not a separate universe. Just Seattle.

 

From college, through the pros, Tannehill has been a 60% accuracy, 7.0 ypa guy. Even in College. Last year, they shrink the field drastically, and his accuracy shoots to 66%, yet his YPA remains the same.

So he's never shown he's a high YPA guy. He's never once, been efficient. Even last year, when people wanted to cherry pick and eliminate the first 3 games from the calculation. If you calculate his ypa the last 8 games, it's right around 7 again.

What if, what if, he's just a low efficiency QB? What if, that's what he is? He's never shown otherwise.

 

BS...Indy's line was better at pass-blocking last year.

 

Objective fact is, he is playing at a level slightly below where he was at this point in 2014, with a worse running game then he had last season and a worse offensive line.

I do not believe Tannehill is ever going to an accurate deep ball passer, I do believe there is still a lot of upside to be found in his talent.

 

This is true. And it's what concerns me the most about him. But some would argue that receivers are part of the problem, Hartline not being a YAC guy and Wallace not being good at tracking the ball. Those reasons sound plausible to me. Tom Brady is a dink and dunk guy and his efficiency increases when he gets to throw to Randy Moss and Gronk. So it's possible Tannehill is being held back. But it's also just as possible to me that Tannehill can't throw accurately downfield.

This is why this season has been so depressing to me. We were supposed to get more answers on Tannehill. Instead, he's been getting killed in the pocket and the offense has been playing from behind so much that we can't get a sense of how the offense would operate under "ideal" circumstances. So these debates will continue for at least another year.

 

It's not even about deep passing. I'm talking efficiency, of which ypa is the measure. Even when shrinking the field, giving him high percentage throws only, it's still 7.0. He's never shown more.

 

Get your facts straight.

Indianapolis gave up 1.6 sacks per game last year
indianapolis is giving up 1.6 sacks per game this year after 5 games

Andrew Luck is playing behind the same bad offensive line. Even his own coach said so when he took a shot at Grigson for never addressing the issue and reminded Luck he played behind it last year And he should know how to play through it.

 

What about now

 

Tannehill's deep ball inaccuracy must be at least somewhat proportional to the time he gets to throw. I'd dare say that there are times when he may get an extra second or 2, but still feels rushed because that's just what he expects. And that likely has an impact on his deep accuracy. Before the last 2 games, he was playing solid going back to last season. Some people point out the late season collapses, but in almost all the late season losses, it was Tannehill that made late game scoring drives happen, only for the defense to collapse and allow the opponent to score as the games went into waning seconds. Typically the time-outs had been exhausted on the previous go-ahead drive Tannehill had engineered. He does have what it takes. But the QB controls everything koolaid is such a tempting flavor. There are so many variables we don't see. A shackled QB will never be elite. And there are many things that can shackle a QB. It's also up to coaches and coordinators and other players to play a role. I think they have gelled at times. We see glimpses of it even in these past few losses. We need Campbell to see the positives, focus on them, and get the players to build on those. With a fiery new attitude, the team has a chance to turn things around. But if they come out of the bye with 2 straight losses, then that last bit of hope will die. I may be smoking something, but I expect Tannehill to come out blazing after the bye with all that's happened, and all being said about him. And the Philbin shackles coming off... it'll be interesting to watch at least. I won't say I expect them to pull it off, but they at least have a chance to prove something.

 

Umm, that's exactly how it happened. So why don't you stop making things up every time someone mentions Tannehill? It really does get old.

 

Now I understand how stupid I looked while trying to defend Ted Ginn that year....same with the Henne and Jason Allen aplogists, finding anything to make us believe "our guy" can still make us happy regardless of what his actual play has shown.

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Lol Indys OL is a complete joke just like Miami's. Im convinced that most of you only watch other teams besides Miami only when they are on primtime because the lack of knowledge when it comes to other NFL teams is astounding.

 

My stance is that no one should actually have to defend Tannehill's play. His individual play should be it's own defense...

I think he's the toughest SOB at QB in the NFL and I appreciate that about him, but he remains inconsistent and has never shown that he has the ability to overcome or elevate his surrounding cast nor overcome poor coaching. That doesn't make him a terrible QB, it just means that he's above average and needs a strong supporting cast with better coaching.

Where I take issue is with people exaggerating the negatives and slandering his character, or purposely saying say BS things just to troll others. It's not necessary.

Let's see how he, and the team, performs after the BYE... hoping Dan can get more out of all of these guys.

 

Could care not a bit, to engage your line of thinking.

We are four games in, last 3 of which we were behind early, actually every game, meaning the running game has not helped the Qb out at all, point to Wilson if one will, better D, ST and Rb, all play a part in his performance. From my pov, until the running game is any sort of credible threat Tannehill will not improve a great deal percentage wise.

And for me, that goes back to the offensive line simply playing poorly in both run and pass blocking, once again point to Wilson, in pass pro they are substandard in run blocking they are highly efficient making things easier for Wilson.

 

I believe Miami rated pretty high in run blocking in 2014 and had a RB who led the NFL in ypc I believe.

Again, Ryan isnt a playmaking QB when under pressure or when a play breaks down...So i understand we NEED to have a good pass blocking OL, if not you get an offense that has struggled scoring against some very average defenses.

The playcalling absolutely puncuates the issues aswell. Lazor is an idiot.


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Wrong again. Scroll down a bit to see a -39 grade in run blocking.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2521496-dissecting-miami-dolphins-best-worst-positional-units

 

Sherman complained first about Philbin's philosophies and Lazor made some comments last season as well. Our best game as a team last season was the week Philbin was out. It'll be interesting to see what the Offense and play calling look like next weekend against the Titans now that Philbin is gone and Lazor and the rest of the coaches don't have him involved in game planning.

 

Look. I dont think you'll find ANYONE on here that thinks Tannehill is good to go as he is. By the same token, he is also worlds better than anyone we've had at the position, save Pennington for one year, since Marino hung up his cleats. I feel he has enough potential that I want to see him stay there. Fact is, it isn't easy to just run out and get another one. Granted we've had shots at a few over the years that the FO at the time foolishly passed over, Rodgers, Brees (twice) but they dont show up that often. We have to stay with him at least until we can find someone else or he shows improvement enough to keep him.

 

aaron rodger and rothlisberger are the only 2 qb's that could win with the OL we have.

 

I didn't think you were supposed to judge QBs on wins and losses?

 

I think he is doing the best he can with what he's got. I just believe the way some have talking about him, its like other options are being ignored. Why pick on one of the few bright spots?

 

Hey stat guy....take this.

Since coming into the league together?

Avg Pass Blocking Ranking


Ryan 23rd
Luck 27th

Avg Def Ranking


Ryan 11th
Luck 16th


Avg Wins


Ryan 7.6
Luck 11.0


Please gentleman spare yourselves the embarrassment of comparing these two...you blame Ryan's surroundings and say "It's a team sport" then turn around and throw hate toward a QB who has had a worst OL and a worse defense yet is averaging almost 4 more wins a season and has been in the playoffs every year while we have never even had a winning season.

Im not a big stat supporter as I'm very confident in my eye test, and that test has Luck considerably better.

Please share your rebuttal's.

 

I want the Tannehill defenders to answer this

If you replace michael jordan with mitch richmond, do the Bulls win 6 championships? Is Michael ringless?

Thanks

 

What?

 

Wanna tell me how many rings Jordan had without Pippen?

Thanks

 

It's funny, Tannehill came into the league behind Luck, developmentally. Everyone knew that. Now, people want to use career stats, to prove that Luck is drastically better right now. That is not being honest. Also, you left out how the receivers and tight ends compared. And coaching. And the Dolphins defense, last season, was certainly no where near as effective for the second half as the first.

 

How many rings does Pippen have without Jordan?

 

Well, that was a dumb counter based on the discussion.

 

None. Because Pippen couldn't win a ring without Jordan, just like how Jordan couldn't win a ring without Pippen.

 

Boggles my mind people are seriously putting Luck and Tannehill in the same conversation....wow

 

He was an all star, league MVP and was considered the best player in his position before those championships.

You all are suggesting Pete Carroll wins a super bowl with tannehill, the colts go to the afc championship with tannehill. No GM in the nfl trades either of those quarterbacks for tannehill.

Tannehill wouldnt reach playoffs in either of those teams.

 

Why is it not being honest? Luck and Tannehill both drafted same year, both drafted high, both started right away. This is the pros, the last stop. You don't get a crutch. If Tannehill needed that much development we should NOT have drafted him that early, or played him that early. We could have taken Wilson later much later in fact.

IT is absolutely fair to compare players. Now, I wouldn't necessarily compare Luck because he was 1st overall and we had no chance. But Tannehill was drafted high, really high. Him vs. Wilson is a much better comparison.

 

The only years he played without Pippen were his early years. Pippen played in his prime without Jordan. They didn't win.

 

And he still couldn't win a ring before Pippen was added to that team. Does that make Jordan a lesser player, or does that say something about the team that was around him prior to the addition of Pippen?

Fact of the matter is, including Tannehill himself, there are only about four or five players worth a damn on offense. He has no running game support and a dang near non-existent o-line. His supporting cast is mostly MIA.

Edit: Also, The Phins have no defense.

 

And yet Jordan still had no rings prior playing with Pippen and no rings after that.

 

Yeah, he wasn't supposed to play that early.

It is absolutely not fair, to compare the first couple seasons of a QB who was known to be a project with high potential, and a QB coming out who was the best prospect since Manning. If Luck hadn't been better his first couple seasons, it would have been an indictment of him. Tannehill not being as good as Luck his first couple seasons is an indictment of nothing.

 

How in the hairy **** are football and basketball analogous in this conversation?

This is stupid.

 

The contradiction dolphins fans puts on themselves is mindboggling. All to convince themselves they have a franchise quarterback.

Dan Marino had no running game, no defense, and not a receiver worth a damn in the 90s and still made the playoffs. So what does that say about Marino and Tannehill?

 

Clayton and Duper says hi.