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The Official Tannehill Sucks/Doesn't Suck Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin D, Sep 6, 2015.

  1. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So wait, you admit it's a team game, but still go on to say one person is more important?

    How important was Trent Dilfer on Baltimore's Super Bowl win with that defense? He was pretty irrelevant.

    Yes, QB is the most important position on the field for the offense. Offense is only half of the game, technically it's a third if you include special teams, but of course the percentages are weighed more towards offense and defense, but they are equally important.

    I think you guys are all too caught up in the perception that the media has created over the QB position. The media puts everything on the QB, much like you're doing here. Yes it's important, nobody is disputing the importance of the position, but some of you are too blinded by the perception that the QB is all that matters, to realize there's other aspects of the game, and players in a game that factor into the ultimate outcome, not just the QB.
     
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  2. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    This.
     
  3. cbrad

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    jdang307 and Rock Sexton.. while I agree with the general point that wins can and probably should be one of the many factors that a QB is judged on (actually that goes for every player on the team too because they also contributed to the outcome..), I think there actually is an exception to this "rule" that every great/very good QB that went to the playoffs has a .500+ record.

    Consider Warren Moon. I think many might put him top 20, or at worst top 25? He has a 102-101 regular season record and a 3-7 playoff record, for an overall 105-108 record.

    The other one that gets close is Dan Fouts. 86-84-1 regular season record and 3-4 playoff record, so he has a total of 1 more win than losses over his career. Anyway, just pointing out it looks like there's an exception to that "rule".
     
  4. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    There are always exceptions to every rule, but these guys you mentioned always had the "not clutch" sign hanging above their head, both QBs had bad TD to INT ratios, especially Fouts.

    They were great passers of the ball, but not great leaders, they are keeping company with Vinnie Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe.
     
  5. cbrad

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    I agree (at least with Bledsoe.. Testaverde doesn't belong in the convo IMO).. was just pointing out there's an exception, because it's been brought up time and time again that there were NO exceptions, and to tell you the truth I thought that too until I started looking into it.
     
  6. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Fair enough, I'll bet the heat of the moment got the better of someone, it happens to the best of us, and the worst of us, lol, but I personally always leave room for the exceptions, because there always is at least one, which led to the saying, "the exception that proves the rule", because the fact that they are exceptions is proof that the "rule" is mostly valid, lol.

    Sometimes the exceptions can be quite unexpected too.

    Example;

    You can't play football without an ACL. That would seem to be a rock solid assessment, however,

    tell that to Hines Ward, he was "missing" an ACL in his left knee.

    Go figure, lol, it's a crazy world we live in filled with wonders.
     
  7. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So ... he led his team to the playoffs. There is the other thread where, "is Tanny a franchise player if he doesn't lead his team to the playoffs. Warren has. He also had, when he retired, the 3rd most yardage and TDs or something.

    That said, his stats and Elway's stats are very, very similar. One's the greatest. One is maybe top 25 as you say? Team success is what people will judge them on as I've been saying, fairly or unfairly.

    But I'll take this as a moment where I say, I don't believe Moon was HOF worthy. Even if he was, definitely NOT first ballot. I never found Moon worthy and was genuinely shocked when he was first balloted. His career is not all that impressive to me.
     
  8. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Can't block, can't run, can't catch...again, tell me how bad Tannehill is ???
     
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  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, I'm getting really sick of Tannehill not blocking those guys, and if I see him drop one more pass...
     
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  10. UK Fins Fan

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    sucks
     
  11. Buckeyetroop

    Buckeyetroop Active Member

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    How do you not see the blitz and go to the open guy. High School QB 101.
     
  12. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    He is an average player right now like every other player in this team and our OL and LBs are absolute garbage.
     
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  13. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    How can a QB lead his team to victories when he is constantly running for his life and his defense can't stop anyone from scoring?

    The fallacy of judging QB's on wins is only good when his team is able to put him in that position. Miami doesn't have that team.
     
  14. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    Guess it's hard to tell what's going on from across the pond eh "mate"?
     
  15. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Tannehill made the best out of a God-awful afternoon. It could have been a lot worse, and his first three passes were dropped. The line looked horrible, Tannehill looked frazzled, and his accuracy was all over the place. Locking on targets, standing flat-footed in the pocket and being inaccurate all caught up with him at once...and that was painful to watch. For the Tannehill supporters here who say the line was always horrible....at least now you know what horrible looks like. He had great protection the first two weeks compared to today.

    But you know what? Tannehill still doesn't suck- not by a long shot. He's just average overall with above average arm strength and below average accuracy. And unfortunately, that's all he's ever going to be...an average passer who plays 7-8 years and never even gets a whiff of the post-season. A better line would help but let's face it; he missed at least three possible TD passes today and a sixth-round rookie playing in his 3rd total NFL game hit two of the same throws. Heck, Stills was open deep at least 6-7 times today when Tannehill never even looked at that side of the field.

    I like Ryan Tannehill for his strengths and his toughnes, and I've never been fully in the "he sucks" category. But at the same time, he simply is not accurate enough to lead a ball club. And I hate that, but we can't keep having this discussion year after year. He just doesn't have the tools to compete at this level since it's so easy to take away the underneath stuff and his game collapses.
     

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