The ONLY smart thing I see this staff doing so far this year is bringing Parker along slowly. They are getting him into the system and trying to make sure his foot doesn't get injured again by forcing him on the field too soon. Once they are confident in both of those things we will see him on the field. They are taking the long view with him and that is a wise decision. He is extremely talented and will make an impact when he is ready. As far as Stills goes he is really here to just stretch the field and Jennings so we have a veteran here to mentor these young guys. But damnit, Jennings HAS to make that catch!
a broken foot can take up to 2 years to fully heal........ often times with a broken foot, you never heal to 100% of what you used to be. ask victor cruz.
I'm not ready to write off stills. I just think we cant utilize his verticality until we fix our offensive line. You need an extra second or two of pass protection to throw deep and we just don't have the blocking up front
Sixers fan for the NBA. See Joel Embiid for broken foot bones and what can happen even when you don't rush back. Different brake, I know but still scary. Parker will be playing a lot by week 8.
Kenny Stills looks good on tape. They're not using him enough. That first screen pass they threw to Still early in the game, Tannehill was WAY late on that throw. Had zero chance of success. And that was one of only two throws that went his way the whole game. It's not as if he's not fast, not getting open in situations where he's supposed to get open. He is absolutely doing that. The defense is respecting him when he goes deep, rotating to him which induces Tannehill to find another option. In one case, Tannehill kept his eyes glued to him deep even though he was double covered, and only clicked off pretty late which led to a scrambling situation. Ryan needs to do a better job anticipating and progressing. And on other plays Stills is open and looks lively (very explosive, fast, quick on film) but the ball just isn't finding him. Parker is the guy that still looks sluggish to me on tape. But I suppose his strength is supposed to be throwing him the ball and having him go up and fight for it. It's also supposed to be run after catch but he got the ball in a run after catch situation during the game and went down pretty easily.
I think the having the QB feeling comfortable with his receiver will play heavily on whether Miami keeps him or not. Right now, those two are on the same page. Kind of reminds me of a Miles Austin to a Tony Romo situation.
He's expendable. Landry has proven to be capable of #1 receiver status. We still have Kenny Stills, Matt Hazel has a ton of potential, and we could build onto the receivers in FA or the later rounds if need be. This team needs extra high draft picks now. We have big holes at LB, OL primarily, as well as significant secondary problems, RB may need upgrade. And whatever this DL is doing isn't getting it done right now. Fact of the matter is you have to make sacrifices. You take the position we're most stacked at and sacrifice a valuable player for a position of more dier need in the next draft. Especially if he's not even going to play much this season.
Shoot me if Landry is our #1. I'm sorry, a 10 ypc guy is not my #1. Welker the best 10 ypc guy ever, is not good enough to be a #1. He was better with Randy Moss. And why you go out and get Gronk and Hernandez.
Naw you don't. 2.2 seconds, and this one goes over 40 yards [video=youtube;arKd8qnPB-I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arKd8qnPB-I[/video] Nobody ever accused the Steelers as having a great line the past few years. Ben is just the best at recognizing things early. Tanny has a recognition problem dating back to the past couple of years. Ben throws it before Wallace is even open. Wallace actually starts to raise his hand but lowers it because the ball is already on his way since Ben recognized it early. Tannehill the past couple years has had to see his WR open before launching it deep which is why they've had such bad chemistry. By that time Wallace is 50 yards down the field.
I know a lot of fans get emotionally attached to players quick. But as a GM that's the logical move to improve this team more rapidly for the 16' season. I want to give whatever new coach all the tools so there is no excuses. I want to draft a LT, OG, LB(pref MLB), FS/RB/CB in the first two rounds/three rounds. The quickest way to accomplish that is to accumulate high picks. It's not like I want to see Parker go. I like the kid and his talent too. But Receiver is our strongest position. Even if we lose Jennings and Matthews(No guarantee we don't resign him) We'll still be fine at the position. With some competent coaches that don't minimize talent, I'd bet Jarvis would even grow better than he is now, and guys like Stills would be used to their maximum instead of minimum potential as they're doing now. Of course, you don't have to agree. But acting like I'm crazy for suggesting trading Devante Parker is a little over the top if you're being a little bit rational.
They would never trade Parker, not even for a 1st, at least not this soon after taking him. that's just crazy....but there are a number of young WRs I'd trade him for...Martavis Bryant being one of them.
If we would have only traded down once last year, and taken Allen Robinson and Aiken, instead of Landry, Aiken and Tripp, we'd not have to spend a #1 this year on Parker. Allen Robinson on one side, and Stills on the other is a great tandem. Landry has a lot of heart, but he's a limited player. He's a 10.0 ypc player. Guess who else was a 10.0 ypc, Davone Bess. Not saying they are physically the same at all, But he is what he is. If he's your primary target your offense needs a lot of passes to cover all of his targets, and targets to other receivers, or you'll remain a dink and dunk. Like NE where Edelman is. Works if you have Tom Brady and Gronk.
We didn't have to use our 1st on Parker period, with Landry, Matthews, Stills, Jennings and J Cameron, how does that group scream "Wow we REALLY need to take another with our 1st pick??? In my opinion after we got Stills and Cameron we were set for the most part, I wouldn't have signed Jennings or used a 1st on a receiver, you save those resources to fix the OL and running game. I swear this dumb *** franchise does **** *** backwards when it comes to the draft, use a 1st on a WR when we have more than enough, and wait until the 6th round to take one when Hartline, Davone Bess, Fasano, Legedu Naanee and Clyde Gates make up your corps.
It's been working for NE for many years. In fact I believe when they had their "game breaker" Moss, they didn't win any superbowls. It's more or less about maximizing talent. In fact, we proved it last year that we don't NEED a "Devante Parker" to move the ball. What we really need is a capable OL more than anything. Then we really need to shore up the LB corps cause we're extremely weak there, and also in the secondary. We have Grimes and Jones. Grimes is gettin old. Walt Aikens is no starting FS. Not by a long shot. And lets not forget that Gronk could have been ours (Thanks again Ireland.) Just another of the many great players we missed on over the years. What drives the nail in more is we missed him for the likes of Koa Misi. Edit: The team also needs to hire a shrink for Suh.. maybe get him on some meds. Gotta get this loose cannon under control and playing good football again.
Sorry, If I'm trading a receiver at this point its Rishard Matthews. He is on the rise and not under contract next season. Really like him alot but most likely we wont be able to keep him next year. Get something in return for him now, might be worth a third if he has another good game or two, maybe we could even get a starting caliber guard right now.
If he continues to have a good season it's possible we get something for him, and that's certainly better then letting him hit FA for nothing. But nobody will be offering a 1st like they might for Devante Parker. Imagine having 2 1st round picks inside the top 10 next year. If Matthews continues to be productive, maybe we get a 3rd. Two 1sts and two 3rds can go a long way to make this team great FAST. I was glad when we drafted Parker, he was clearly the BPA, but he doesn't play a crucial position, especially not with Tannehill's long ball. That's just my thinking on it... I know most or all of you think I'm crazy for suggesting trading Parker. But I with my rationale it makes a lot of sense.. But i'm not gonna keep beating the drum because I know it probably wouldn't happen, I don't think TBaum/Hickey would do it but you never know.
I don't know that it's a given you get a 1st for Parker. He hasn't been on the field enough and is still recovering. All that said I hope we keep him. I can't wait to watch him bust out.....that is, if this staff makes getting him the ball a priority. I want to see some 50/50 balls thrown his way. As for going down easy as CK was pointing out, I don't think that's completely fair. That defender was in on him pretty fast and hit him low as he turned iirc. I thought it was a positive he caught it knowing he might take a big shot. I hated that play/decision. When Parker gets comfortable with that foot he will be off to the races.
Obviously there's no guarantee the team we hypothetically trade Parker to finishes with a record bad enough to be picking top 10 in the draft, and I don't think we'd be that bad either so this has officially become a pipe dream now.
I'm not so sure that Landry wouldn't have a higher avg if they would use him on more down field routes. His ball skills are so good that he will win contested throws more often than not. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
2.2?? It's almost exactly 4 seconds from the snap to the throw. Tannehill gets sacked twice, and bent over a barrel in 4 seconds.
Either way, definitely more than 2.2. I get 4 every time I count. Even the time stamp is at least 3, almost 4 seconds on the video. And there's really no pressure. When does Tannehill have no pressure? LOL. I know it's one clip, but still...
I told you guys Parker sucks ! I have a nose for ****ty players. Sorry couldnt help myself. That's how ridiculous this all is. Seriously though, is everyone so blind that they don't see what's happening right in front of their eyes? Matthews, has been around longer than most on this team. Parker, like Stills, is new and was limited in the preseason. Parker is actually a rookie recovering from surgery, and just started playing live pro football a few weeks ago. Whomever suggested trading him is hopefully just drunk, for their sake. We have a fortunate situation here....Matthews is hungry, and we can ease everyone in as we build his (possible)trade value.. The reason Mathews is getting more playing time is not that everyone else sucks. They're clearly showcasing him, and at this pace hopefully we can net an offer for a starting LB/CB/S/G! Or atleast a late pick.
If Matthews keeps playing this way, you keep him and get rid of Jennings. We won't have to worry about the WR position for many years then (and I'm very confident Parker will ultimately prove to be a good pick).
Ok, 2 picks inside the top 15 happy? And the hypothetical was assuming a team offered us a 1st for Parker that was also picking fairly high.
Or...Matthews is getting playing time because he deserves it? Why are people on here constantly devaluing our players? I don't get it. Maybe Matthews falls off the map...or maybe he's finally got his game where it needs to be, and the offense is benefiting from it.
Parker has played too little to know if he's a hit or a bust. So why trade essentially a 1st round pick this year for one next year before we know how good he is? Thing about Parker is he's like the missing piece ability-wise for this group of WR's.. someone who has vertical separation ability and is potentially deadly in the endzone. He helps complete our WR group, and I think it's best to not create a hole when we potentially just plugged it. We should keep what we have at WR and work on plugging other holes instead. Also, I think more important than the number of draft picks is the ability of the person drafting, and so far I like what Tannenbaum/Hickey have done. So I'm definitely against your suggested trade.
Well my thinking is that WR is a position we can afford to take that hit for now, where we could fill two major holes with two 1sts. For instance.. If a really good MLB prospect comes out in the draft, and a couple good OL.. we potentially plug 2 major holes for a potential #1 receiver. But I'm fine with being alone on that one. Lol. I like Parker it's not like I'll be upset if we don't trade him. It's just an idea I think our GM(s) should consider if the opportunity presented itself.
Yeah I get your thought process.. I just think we should give Tannehill as many weapons as possible given the importance of the passing game in today's NFL. That's one place where you want to have extra weapons instead of just being OK. So, assuming Parker pans out, I'd prefer that more than having a comparably good MLB despite that being a need.
Parker is definitely a talent I can't wait to explore more... we might have to get rid of these Queasy coaches before we will be able to see his talent maximized.
I was intrigued by Matthews last year, and wondered why he wasn't being used more, he seemed to have a knack for making plays. I didn't like the Stills trade, he is a lot like Ginn, a little bigger and a little slower, but poor quickness and strength so he has trouble getting off the line, which is why NO used him almost exclusively as a motion WR, I doubt he'll ever be more than that. Jennings is 32, so I wasn't counting on him, at that age you never know if a player is done, and he doesn't have size to make up for loss of speed, never saw him as anything but insurance and mentorship of a young WR corps. I think they should take their time with Parker, he's going to have to get adjusted to the speed of the NFL, after not being able to exercise for a long while, and his game will rely a lot on timing, he is also lacking in quickness and physicality, but is 6-3 with very long arms, and once he gets going he's fast, but it does take him a while to get up to speed. I think he can be very effective, but not very explosive. Landry is all heart, but watching these 2 games, he's been pounded on these short routes, no Wallace taking the top off so teams are keying on the short routes, and teeing off on Landry, I worry about getting him injured, or just too beat up. He's a pleasure to watch, he makes me hold my breath when he's returning punts though, he hasn't fully gotten past the bad decisions on returns, that punt where he didn't call for a FC and he got freight trained, bad move, that could have easily been a fumble. However, right now he's proving to be, maybe the best slot WR in the league.
I dunno why anyone thought Parker would have any impact at this juncture of the season. Dude missed most of TC and all of preseason having that screw in his foot replaced. That's the kind of thing that cannot be f-'d with as it could cause serious problems down the line. I'm still hesitant about him simply because of that foot. Regardless if the reports from mini-camps had people thinking he'd come in an tear it up, consider that A: there weren't full contact scrimmages and B: He was going up against our janky secondary. With the amount of learning this kid needs to do DURING the season (especially route running) - I don't expect to see much until we get around weeks 8-10.
