With the Colts also struggling after two games there are definite parallels between two teams who have talent, have young 2012 QB's, have o-line issues, and have head coaches who might be on their way out at the end of the season. The only difference is that Pagano has seen more success with the Colts than Philbin with the Phins. There are lots of comparisons we can draw between the two teams and it might well be good to do so, but one question that comes to mind - if both coaches end up leaving their current jobs at the end of the season, that would mean we'd need a HC and Pagano would be available. Would you take/like to see Pagano coming over to the Phins?
Pagano also had a team that he essentially inherited from a fired up Bruce Arians.. Who should have remained the coach when Pagano was cleared to come back.
Right. So are you defending Philbin, criticizing Pagano, or this is a nondescript way of answering the question and saying you wouldn't want to see Pagano as HC?
Unless Pagano has a horrible season, Colts will not fire him after this season. He had his team in the championship game last year.
What he is saying is much of Pagano's, and the Colts, success has come because he coaches in a relatively weak division. His record outside that division is not great and getting worse.
Anyone but queesy. I really want an in your face aggressive guy tho. Need someone to shake things up and rid this team of their soft label. ^it is reported that pagano is in same boat as harbaugh was in. he is done there. has problems with the owner and front office. Not saying i want pagano, just saying that pagano is gone even if they make the playoffs. Also saying philbin sucks.
Whomever is our next headcoach needs to be not only someone who can coach, but someone that has some fire too him. Our last 3 coaches, other than some fist pumps along the way, have been lacking in the inspiration aspect, particularly Cameron and Philbin.
Pagano threw his GM, QB and OL under the bus last night after the game. The Colts don't want to pay him what he's seeking either. He's done there. I'd be interested in him as a DC. I've never been enamored with him as a head coach.
I give Sparano a little more credit. They were 0-7 and continued to play hard for him. He was simply two levels above where he belonged (position coach). I don't need fire per say, but I do need a leader of men. Todd Bowles is not necessarily a fiery guy. But he is a leader of men and direct. I also want a guy who is an expert at what he does, with coordinator experience (someone who actually ran his unit and called plays). And NOT an offensive line coach. No more OL coaches. Those guys simply aren't head coaches.
Pagano's comments last night were 110% a shot at Ryan Grigson. Who has done a terrible job there, by the way.
I would lump Pagano and Mangini together (gun to my head I would have Mangini in front), but basically not sure which I would want or wish for more based on Tannenbaum here, etc. But I can unequivocally state that either should be hired over Philbin everyday of the week and 4x on Sunday!
The GM really is doing a bad job up there. Hilton is not an alpha WR. He's a complimentary WR. They did nothing to replace a Reggie Wayne and then draft another Hilton in Dorsett?
In hindsight, Ross should have just offered the job to Bowles. Unfortunately everyone including Ross was looking to move beyond the Sparano era and Bowles just got caught up in the, get rid of everyone mentality at the time. I am iffy on Pagano because as has been pointed out, his record outside the AFC South is as mediocre as Philbin's overall record. I really don't know who would be the best head coach to hire to replace Philbin, but the one thing I am sure of. The next head coach Ross hires is going to be the most important hire he will have made as the Dolphins owner. Because he just can't make the mistake of hiring another mediocre head coach for this team if he expects to fill his newly renovated stadium in the years to come.
Bold part is probably true, but the Tannenbaum/Hickey hire (which I really like) is a close 2nd. Ross is just too patient with things I think (probably something that's useful in his non-football business) but it does seem like he learns eventually. From that point of view, I'm cautiously optimistic about whoever Ross brings in to replace Philbin.
I wasn't aware of all this before I made my comment about Indianapolis not firing him. I guess if it can happen to Harbaugh after what he accomplished in San Francisco, it can happen to Pagano too. He's had much less success than Harbaugh had. Pretty ****ty thing to say about his QB.
I was miffed he never got a fair shake. Good respectable businesses promote from within, it creates loyalty & shows others that you appreciate & reward hard work. Bringing in outsiders while overlooking in house employees creates disillusionment.
Not that long ago, I'd havae jumped at the chance to take Pagano. I certainly wanted him when he was a coordinator a lot more than Philbin. However, it looks like I was wrong on that one. He seems to be fairly inept at getting a quality team to play up to their abilities, and at the end of the day, that puts him in about the same boat as Joe, even if I like Pagano's personality a whole lot more. As I've felt since Saban quit, I want the team to hire a man who's had some success as an NFL HC, and not someone who's getting their first job. I don't care about what any numbers say about "retread" coaches and winning big. We need someone who knows what the Hell he's doing. By my count, there are 10 teams in the league today who's HC was the HC somewhere else beforehand, and every single one if them is being run in a more competant manner than what we have.
No more rookie head coaches. Give me a hard *** that is aggressive and tough and his team will take after him. This team makes charmin look like sandpaper.
I think Sean Payton gets fired after this season so he would be my pick.. His offense with the weapons we have.. He can actually develop tannehill into a better than decent quarterback. Just get a coordinator for the defense that isnt Rob Ryan..
The Colts do not have much talent. Pagano is a fine coach IMO, but I would prefer Mangini at this point. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
Like I said in another thread on general NFL forum, Sean Payton hasn't seen much success in the Saints ever since bullygate where he got suspended for a year, Brees is injured and even when healthy he hasn't been himself the past two years. Loomis traded Jimmy Graham, you don't take away a weapon like that from Sean Payton who is mostly about offense. I think Sean and ownership are very far apart and drifting further apart. The divorce will happen, that team is very bad compared to the Buccs, Falcons, and Panthers who all have promising futures. The Saints will be lucky to win 5 games. I think Sean wants to move on with a team that has talent and potential of growth and we have that here.. He will be a free agent coach after this season, I can feel it.
Nah, there are a few College HC that I would bring on board gladly. Its about scheme more than rookie, etc. I am having a hard time with who the new DC needs to be that has the passion and scheme.
I wouldn't think they fire Garrett after he lost Romo for the year. Payton will be coaching somewhere other then Miami however. We're almost guaranteed to pick some lame bastard no one else wants.
On the contrary, I would expect Miami to be all over a guy like Payton if he is available. Do not underestimate how much of a star ****er our owner is. He likes the big name and will pay handsomely for it. He also prefers experience in power positions. Peyton is brash all about high powered offense; exactly what this owner is after. Everything I just wrote, Ross has said himself publicly. I'd be all about Sean Payton in Miami. - sent via Tapatalk -
you still dont do that because your still indirectly insulting the talent on your team.. to answer the OP...Hell no...thats not something i just stated because of last nites comments, ive been saying it on this board for three years, even when he was going thru his treatment, I felt for him and what he was going thru, but had seen enough practice footage where I just felt he wasn't head coach material..when bruce arians took over the colts i stated that he was the right coach and that the colts were making a mistake by giving pagano back the job, prolly nothing they could do at that point but i said arians would become a star, and Pagano would eventually lose the team...both things have come to fruition.
i would put Pagano is the same category as John fox, who I thought needed to be fired as well..both imo do not have the ability to keep players engaged to what their selling..
