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Ronin'S Review: Dolphins @ Jaguars

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by RoninFin4, Sep 20, 2015.

  1. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Should be able to ? Or should ? There is a difference .

    I for one never bought in , believed , stated we'd coast to easy , big margin wins the first two weeks . It's tough to win on the road period , and lots of teams are off to less than stellar starts . Those drops actually do matter , just like penalties do , poor play from the Oline , a lack of turnovers , pressure .... a couple of those can turn a loss into a win or a win into a loss .
     
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  2. isaacjunk

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    I see
     
  3. isaacjunk

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    Interesting to hear such optimism from your corner. Just curious if you've noticed anything on film so far that qualify as positive surprises?
     
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  4. Finster

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    We may get jacked by the Bills, not sure how this line will block their front 8, and our Dline is avg.
     
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  5. bran

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    this is what pisses me off with this team. the dolphins come out first drive of the second half with tannehill throwing some intermediate routes and the dolphins cutting up the jaguars secondary like it was nothing, then all of a sudden they go away from it and get out of any kind of rhythm when tannehill was red hot.
     
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  6. Bpk

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    ...agree.. but we will still be mediocre by season's end thanks to this coaching staff.
     
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  7. Bpk

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    Or injuries are the pillars of our team.
     
  8. TotoreMexico

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    Toe to toe? ROFLMFAO! That proves you didn't watch the game.

    They got totally obliterated after the 1st series, cheatriots moved the ball at will. The entire 4th quarter was basically garbage time, they lowered the intensity and the jills started to do something on offense. That game wasn't remotely close to what the scoreboard says.
     
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  9. jdang307

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    The Bills got within 5. It was actually pretty close
     
  10. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Guess you stopped watching the game after it appeared the Cheats were going to blow out the Bills? Buffalo had a chance to tie the game in the 4th.
     
  11. Phins Up Wins Up

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    What are you even trying to say? Some of you keep saying well if this play happened or if that happened we would have won. It shouldn't have to come to that. Dolphins should have that game won by a couple TDs.
     
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  12. CrunchTime

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    I think the short game was pooly executed.It only takes one misfire or stop to ruin a series.It only works if you have a running game which we dont have ........something that I and others have been warning about since training camp.

    Those short two yard passes to Landry were maddening to me too.So much risk for so little gain which ultimately resulted in too many 3 and outs. I would have liked to seen some more mid range passes .And some more deep shots like Bortles threw .It was those long completions that made the difference in the game IMO.
     
  13. Phins_Fan_87

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    the fact that the coaching staff thought this oline would work is grounds for termination. ****ing morons.
     
  14. Tannephins

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    I'd be interested to see how they did during the three years prior to that.
     
  15. Tannephins

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    This was actually one of Tannehill and the passing offense's best games of his career in terms of pass efficiency. Its YPA was 8.2, which will win you 90+ percent of your games in the NFL. This wasn't a "dinking and dunking" game for Miami.

    The problem was that the opposing team's YPA was 8.3, and it had a perfectly balanced 33 rushes to 33 passes, while Miami was imbalanced toward the pass to the tune of 44 to 16 attempts, with only 2.6 yards per carry.
     
  16. NyPhinfan

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    Absolutely Spot on! it is by far the most frustrating part to me with Lazor and the play calling(other than totally ignoring the run for long stretches). You are dropping the QB back, hoping the O-Line holds its blocks to get the pass off to complete 1 and 2 yd passes. You put yourself at such a HUGE disadvantage. You are in 2nd and 3rd and longs but also makes you have to have long drives to even get into FG range. Too many things can go wrong and usually do....penalaties. drop passes. bad throws..sacks. Its been my biggest pet peeve so far...so much work to complete a pass for no yardage. I would rather try to run the ball more.
     
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  17. NyPhinfan

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    I thought Tannehill played well. Missed a few throws but he was good. I just think it puts so much pressure on him to constantly have to try to be perfect to complete a 3 yd pass
     
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  18. vt_dolfan

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    I dont know how Tannehill survives the next two weeks...seriously.
     
  19. Tannephins

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    And that's due to the imbalance toward the pass and away from the running game, not because they were "dinking and dunking." They need to get back to where they're running the ball regularly at 4+ yards per carry, like last year.
     
  20. NyPhinfan

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    I most definitely think it goes hand in hand. I really thought it was Lazors worst game play calling. Plus when he did try to run he would run those toss sweeps which would have trouble even getting back to the line of scrimmage.
     
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  21. Tannephins

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    If you don't have a commitment to the running game, don't expect it to function well.
     
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  22. Deerless Dice

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    It's hard to run when Dallas Thomas is getting pushed back 2-3 yards off the line of scrimmage every play
     
  23. vt_dolfan

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    You know...was thinking on this. The overthrow to Cameron....I think thats where Cameron pulled his groin...its possible Tannehill didnt really over throw him as much as Cam just wasnt running as fast as usual...
     
  24. FinNasty

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    I'lol have to go back and look... but does anyone know if we used Suh more at the 1 tech or the 3 tech yesterday?
     
  25. Phins_Fan_87

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    I like that suh is doing his own thing. I think he sees that this coaching staff will never get miami past the first round(if they can get us to the playoffs at all). The sooner suh can get rid of philbin and the rest of his yes man clowns the better.
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    I reserve the right to retract my prediction about beating Buffalo pending injury news. As well as news of potential stupidity on the part of the coaching staff and their depth chart decisions.
     
  27. Finster

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    Mostly 1, and being blocked 1 on 1 an awful lot.
     
  28. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Might as well retract it now then.
     
  29. DevilFin13

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    No joke. This is why I was so down after last week, and now even more so this week. I'm the first to shout "sample size". But god damn, it's the same ineptitude year after year. We'll have games where the talent overcomes the coaching. But when the talent doesn't quite play up to its potential, you can bet the coaching won't overcome it. I'd be shocked if we win more than 9 games. And things will only get worse. The second half of our schedule could be brutal, depending on injuries and that weird NFC East.
     
  30. 77FinFan

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    You know, I thought he had a little hitch in his step walking back
     
  31. Bpk

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  32. Clark Kent

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    If Eric Mangini ever becomes the coach of Miami, I might have to seriously question my fandom. It will 100% confirm Ross is truly the clueless owner I believed he always was.

    I'm trying not to overreact, but this loss stings down deep because I truly believe all of the above... I also think this team does lack talent. The secondary is bad... Jones is playing his heart out, Grimes hasn't been great but is starting material, and then... We've had 3 other starting DB positions w/huge question marks (CB2, Nickel, and FS) going into the season that were questionable at best. Our LB corps isn't very good either. And we were depending on the DL to be so dominate to make up for the deficiencies at the 2nd and 3rd level. That's where the scheming issues are really obvious.

    Offensively, I don't know wtf is going on. Jarvis Landry is as advertised. Cameron, my favorite off-season signing this off-season has looked good. But he's hurting now w/a groin injury. Matthews has stepped up too, but Stills and Jennings are non existent. And the offensive line is bad... People were getting their hopes up about Albert's health, but the reality is, even if the ACL is OK, he still hasn't practiced, had proper conditioning, etc... during the off-season. His body responding w/an injury (hammy) isn't shocking. He's been a pretty injury prone guy as it is during his time in KC too. And w/o a healthy Albert, it really just makes the lack of talent on the offensive line that much more obvious. And our "Vernon Carey 2.0" isn't holding up so well in his first two games either.

    All true, IMO. And for people bagging on Tannehill, how many times did positive plays get called back due to penalties?

    Agreed on all of the above too. I'm thinking guys like Mitchell and Cam aren't suddenly bad (same w/Suh), but the scheme is just woefully out of place. Miami used to scheme Cam into good matchups and they're obviously not doing that anymore. They're not doing anything on the d-line to put those guys in a position to do much of anything.

    1. Go back to scheming for Cam Wake. Make sure we get him on the edge and rushing the passer.
    2. Get Suh in the 3-tech.
    3. Pair Suh w/someone who can play 1-tech and clog the middle and get him 1-1 matchups.

    Miami has done a great job of not committing penalties, so I'm willing to give Philbin the benefit of the doubt given his history. None the loss, the hidden yardage in yesterdays game was unacceptable and needs to be corrected. Miami has struggled to win games w/committing few penalties over the years. We certainly aren't good enough to overcome them.

    As for Coyle... We only allowed 3 points in the second half this season. Yet, we've allowed 30 in the first half. Both to pretty offensive teams. The pre-game schemes for both offense and defense have been dreadful.
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    I said it last year... Just when you think Miami is all but done after an unbelievable loss or poor performance, they do something to make you believe again. They'll win games they shouldn't (on paper) or compete so well (like @ Denver last season), you get your hopes up, only for them to charlie brown our asses. I truly don't know how to feel right now. I don't want to overreact, it's still early. 14 weeks and an early bye to get things corrected. But I don't have confidence in this coaching staff and I think we have below average talent at a number of positional groups (DB's, LB, Oline). That 11-5/10-6 record that I believed was in our grasp is suddenly looking dicey. The scarier part is, does this team get blown up after this season if we finish poorly? I don't mean coaches, I mean the team... Wake and Grimes are getting up there. Vernon (who I don't like and never did) is a FA. Albert is older and injury prone... Cameron and Jennings are on two year deals that really could turn into one year deals...

    This isn't what I wanted to think about after week 2...
     
  33. Undisputed

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    Drops are a problem no doubt, but to me the biggest problem is the penalties on 3rd down. How many times was it 3rd and long and here comes the flag?? We have to be more disciplined and that my brothers is called COACHING.

    Coyle sucks at it.
     
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  34. Fin D

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    We've consistently been the least or close to the least penalized team for awhile now.
     
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  35. Piston Honda

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    No offense to anyone but WTF? If you think coaching was the problem yesterday then you're suffering from confirmation bias or just plain not paying attention.

    Last year the coaches sucked for not putting Fox at LT, how'd that work out yesterday? Dude can't even block Jared Odrick. James stayed at RT like everyone wanted and manged to only get called for two penalties. Fantastic.

    Vernon and Wake, a supposed pillar of strength at DE were virtually invisible other than OV dumb penalty late in the 4th and Wake being put on his back by a TE. Brice McCain was horrible for most of the day, no one could handle Robinson all day. Grimes was OK aside from the one post corner post and the dropped INT. Jenkins was decent when he wasn't running into his own guys and allowing big runs. Aikens made zero plays other than biting on a dig and allowing an easy TD. Suh was OK, but we're all waiting to see what a $19 million dollar DT looks like.

    Tannehill played his *** off. Great throws into tight windows all game long. Any semblance of a run game would have been enough to win the game. Stills and Jennings are no shows so far. Cameron up to his old tricks, getting hurt. Offense still can't line the QB up under center and run an effective offense. Still no physical back who can grind out tough yards.

    Blame the coaching staff if it makes you feel better. Ignorance is bliss, or so they say.
     
  36. Undisputed

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    Defense is too predictable. Every blitz is very obvious and even a first year QB can see it coming. Coyle's scheme is unimaginative at best.
     
  37. Piston Honda

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    I really think you should examine the players Coyle has to work with. I mean what exactly do you want him to call?
     
  38. Bpk

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    And also far too complex for players!!!

    Too complicated and impenetrable and also too simple and predictable!!!!


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  39. Undisputed

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    Maybe just a little trickery? How about when you bring the safety to the line showing blitz, maybe fake it? Every double A gap blitz is telegraphed. How about NOT bringing the LBs up to the LOS every time. Maybe try to disguise a blitz once?
     
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  40. Piston Honda

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    When the ball is in the air, make a play on it. What's complicated about that? Don't take stupid penalties that put the other team in position to kick a game winning FG. Overly complicated?

    Defense has allowed 33 points in two games, 3 total in the second half. If you want scapegoats Coyle is a bad place to look.
     

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