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Will you consider tannehill still a franchise QB if he doesnt lead us to playoffs?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Nevermind the fact that the pass was slightly behind to the left shoulder when he was running right. Technically still catchable, but degree of difficulty is much higher when you're not hitting guys in stride. That's usually the case with his passes on crossing routes.
     
  2. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Team sport! Team sport!
     
  3. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Not according to y'all...hence that response.
     
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  4. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Similarity between their statistics can be more attributed to the changes in NFL rules though. Marino didn't need three years to get going. His presence and pocket awareness were nearly instantaneous.
     
  5. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Nobody's ever argued that...and he is arguably the best QB to ever hit an NFL field. You can name thousands of guys he's better than. And the post was sarcastic about their numbers being close, nobody in their right mind would ever compare the two realistically. 13's 1984 was legend...it's almost impossible to imagine at that time.

    There are tons of HoF / franchise guys that needed 3+ years to get going...but they're not GOAT.
     
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  6. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Exactly. Suh was a 110 million dollar distraction from what is really happening. Resigning Tannehill - double down on chips already played. I said it in thread when it was happening and guys called me out saying I was negative. Suh is to early. He is a great player but he will not make us a super-bowl team. I am afraid because of his cost we may have just mortgaged the next 4 or 5 years being able to bring in the talent to actually win a super-bowl. Call me crazy, but the Suh deal was to excite the fan base. Couple it with the new stadium renovations so we all can watch our team in comfort and it is obvious what the intent is - revenue. Revenue first - winning second. Tannenbaum did the same crap in New York and never won there either.

    People on here will attack me because they don't want to admit that it is what it is - a business. I am steeped in reality though.

    Until the mentality of the ownership and upper brass becomes we have to win at all cost - we are doomed to mediocrity.

    I hate it but there is nothing we can do about it except stop buying there crap. Love my team but they get very little of my money - only message I can send direct
     
  7. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Being that football is a team sport and that Tannehill can't make FG kickers make game winning kicks or coach or help our defense not allow 200+ yards rushing or decision to draft, trade and sign players, I would have a hard time giving him all the blame or credit for the success of this team and organization.

    I will gauge him by my very unprofessional and subjective viewpoint on how he is doing at his job given the circumstances. If he is in a position to win games and guys around him are doing their job, then I will gauge his ability to win games and put us in a position to make the playoffs.
     
  8. Sethdaddy8

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    Which one of the McCown brothers would you like to replace Tannehill with?
     
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  9. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Where do you get this from? All he said was the dolphins had 1 drop, which is a fact. So you either didn't watch the game or you're delusional. If your counter argument involves pulling some random crap then that should tell you something about your argument. What's McCown have to do with anything? I may be wrong on shames opinion on thill but I don't think anybody is saying Thill sucks and needs to be replaced. If they are then they're wrong. Thill doesn't suck. He's an avg to above avg qb right now with the talent to become a top 10. The problem is in year 4 the potential card needs thrown out the window. It's time for him to consistently play like a top 10 QB if this team is to go anywhere. We need more from him to be a great team. Bottomline
     
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  10. shamegame13

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    Haha the good ole "change the subject, claim I said Ryan Tannehill sucks and who do I want at QB?" from RT17 man crush fanatics. I asked if you can count or even watched the game which you never answered. Im gonna assume you can count and say you didnt watch the game when you make blind statements like "our WRs dropped passES" when we had one drop on what many can argue as a poor throw behind the WR. Luckily, I believe anything that touches a WRs hand should be caught. Dont get upset because I called you out for making blind statements and act like im saying RT17 sucks as your "all else fails" argument, that is getting boring and played. Just admit you didnt watch the game and try not to make anymore blind statements in the future and not look like a fool when I call you out on it.
     
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  11. resnor

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    The only thing poor about the Matthews incomplete was the catch.
     
  12. shamegame13

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    Clearly Res, you didnt fully read my last comment per usual.
     
  13. jw3102

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    Tannehill is the quarterback of the Miami Dolphin Franchise. Therefore he will be considered a franchise QB no matter what their record is this year.
    The important question regarding Tannehill is, does he have the ability to put the team on his shoulders and lead them to victories in the three or four games which will make the difference between the playoffs or another non winning season?
    He has yet to consistently show that he can lead this team down the field in the closing minutes of a game to pull a victory out of the jaws of defeat.
    The ability to lead their teams to fourth quarter victories is what separates the top tier QB's from the rest of the QB's in the NFL. Until Tannehill shows this ability on a consistent basis, it is hard to see him as anything more than a decent QB in the NFL.
     
  14. Fin-Omenal

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    It was a good idea to start a Tanny thread...the fact the board is patroled about as closely as prostitution in Bangkok these days is the only reason that trollish title is allowed to pollute the board.

    A for effort, F for execution. No wonder you love Philbin so much.
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Your argument about the title is stupid, old and trollish.

    No one was insulted. No one was mentioned. Its really time to stop it.
     
  16. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well, I was commenting on the part where you said:

    So, I was referencing that anyone saying it was a poor throw is incorrect. I never said YOU thought that.

    Maybe you didn't read what I wrote.
     
  17. Fin-Omenal

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    You are safe, stop worrying so much. If i had created a thread that said "The official Ryan needs to improve/Ryan is flawless" thread...nobody believes you wouldnt have been the first in line with a comment.
     
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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Whose worried, you're constant whining is annoying is all.

    I don't much care what you think I'd do. You've never been right about me.

    Again, I didn't assign anyone to either side of the line. Its a copy of the thread about Philbin. There is nothing else to it. What's interesting is that you went on and on about how stupid it was for Native Americans to be offended by words like Redskins, but your ample panties have been bunched about a nothing title that says nothing bad about anyone, and that crying has gone on for over a week now.

    Just walk away. Get over it.

    This is the last post I'll make to you about it.
     
  19. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    oh no doubt brother. Agree with you 100%. I would never compare Marino to Tannehill. No comparison. However, the question was is Tanne good enough? If you look at Marino's stats they are almost identical. Probably not the best way to give Tannehill a thumbs up since Marino is a QB GOD. Didn't really think of it that way.
     
  20. Patssuck

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    Mang would argue it was it was a bad throw... What passive aggressive bull****. Commentators and Matthews both said that the throw was fine. People look for anything to hang onto man.
     
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  21. shamegame13

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    Many could argue, but I think those guys are out talking about the 3-4 RT17 overthrows or 2 dropped INTs or 2 missed wide open TD throws to Sims and Stills. I think people could be upset about those throws and not even include that drop.
     
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  22. resnor

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    Shame, I've seen several on here complaining that the drop by Matthews was because of a poor throw by Tannehill.

    I don't blame Sims or Stills for the two they couldn't pull in.
     
  23. Fin D

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    So, do we think most QBs don't miss at least 8 throws a game when they throw over 30?

    I mean some of you are acting like (notice I didn't say you declared, just acting like) that its not normal for a QB to be off target a handful of throws.
     
  24. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I was one of them.

    If Matthews is running a crossing pattern to his right, why is Tanny throwing the ball to the outside of Rishard's left shoulder? TECHNICALLY the ball is still within Matthew's catch radius, but for f- sucks why is it so hard for Tanny to lead his man on that play? I've seen it routinely out of him on those patterns. The degree of difficulty increases on such poor ball location.
     
  25. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Wasn't a great throw, no, but you see plenty NFL WRs make a catch that's only that far off, every week. Both at fault, but Matthews more-so IMO. But added in to the rest of the misses, RT had a very off day, no doubt about it.
     
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  26. resnor

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    Anyone have a link to that play? I didn't think it was that bad of a throw when I saw it live. After all this discussion, I'd love to see it again.
     
  27. BigNastyDB13

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    It wasn't a terrible pass by any means. Matthews dropped it because he was looking to run before catching the ball. Had the throw been better and led him, maybe Matthews doesn't drop it. You'd like to see a better pass there but if I recall correctly thill ran a playfake and looked rushed on the throw. I think he even double clutched. I think Matthews was his 2nd read on the play. Needs to be caught and needs to be thrown better.
     
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  28. shamegame13

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    It was behind Matthews on his slant route, however, it is something that NFL caliber WRs should make routinely. And again, I believe anything that touches WRs hands should be caught but the pass could of been better.
     
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  29. Kud_II

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    Depends on what the rest of the team does... Does the OL hold up? Does the defense (namely the front 7) man up? How does Tannehill perform in crunch time? How many good decisions/bad decisions over course of the season? And lastly, is this offense we're running maximizing his potential?

    I would say he has to make 80% good decisions, and he has to perform in crunch time. I don't know if I will ever call him a franchise QB without the playoffs though. But I won't give up on him if he meets most of my expectations. I will give up on this coaching staff first if that's the case.
     
  30. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I've always felt the same way there.
     
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  31. Rock Sexton

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    I'm opposite (obviously lol). I've always been about whatever helps the receivers make plays. They have no say in the matter when it comes to where the ball is placed.

    If I have the option of choosing a pass behind a receiver leading to a higher incidence of drops and shorter yardage vs. leading the receiver and giving him room to make a football move then I'm going with the latter.

    Jump balls down the field are where I'm a little more lenient on the QB.
     
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  32. jdang307

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    I disagree. A WR that makes a spectacular effort to even get his hands on a ball, but doesn't make the catch, is rated lower than someone who makes less of an effort and doesn't even get their hands on the ball.

    I like Stats LLC definition on drops. Ball that requires normal effort to catch and isn't, is a drop.
     
  33. Undisputed

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    The funny is that these guys who cry and complain about Tannehill the most, offer NO solutions. They just are sad, angry, negative people. But they bring no solutions.

    Hey! Here's one. Start Moore, than you can have a reason to cry about the QB play!
     
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  34. Fin D

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    You're 100% wrong!









































    ...there's nothing funny about them at all.....:shifty:
     
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  35. CashInFist

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    There's no way you're 48 yrs old with all of the immature drivel you post on here. There's just no way.
     
  36. Fin-Omenal

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    Ha! Yea, being in your 40's around here CERTAINLY doesnt guarantee marurity.
     
  37. AdamC13

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    The topic you bring up would be a good thread in the offseason..."How to address the QB situation if Tannehill isn't a franchise QB." To throw out your point right now is, well, pointless. Obviously it would get addressed in the draft and perhaps signing a vet as insurance or a trade.

    The first step to providing a solution to looking for a franchise QB is to acknowledge you don't have one. Had Miami done that this year Hundley might have been a possible solution. Last year, Bridgewater was there for the taking. I was also advocating Miami sign Flynn and draft Wilson in 2012. Only Ireland (and a few other idiot GMs) would think it is a good idea to spend the #8 pick on a developmental project at QB. Could have had Kuechly and Wilson, now that would have been a solution beyond just the QB situation.

    It wasn't necessary to have extended Tannehill's contract this year, could have waited to see if he actually progressed this year or if he has peaked. I am open to Tannehill becoming a franchise type QB, he just hasn't proved it on the field. I seriously question anyone's football IQ who claims he has already proved it.
     
  38. BigNastyDB13

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    The solution is obvious to anyone with just a bit of common sense. Tannehill needs to play at a high level more consistently. You're the only one I've seen suggest starting Moore. Just because thrill isn't a ****ty qb, doesn't mean he can't or doesn't need to improve. You guys and your reaching.
     
  39. Rock Sexton

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    Wait, 48 years old? ....... ahh it's all making sense now - you're FinJim from over at Phinfever and Finheaven. I was beginning to wonder why you were PM'ing me on here.

    Just a suggestion - you may want to cut out the nonsense.
     
  40. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    He just had his ban lifted at Phinfever, so they get his happy presence again, for a while anyway.
     

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