ProFootballTalk.com: Parcells won't keep Cameron

PFT says that Parcells is not expected to keep Cameron, not that he won't keep Cameron. Your phrasing suggests that PFT is reporting that Parcells has already made that particular decision. He has not, or at least he hasn't told anyone.

Basically it's just a summation of speculation and no-brainers. Parcells pursuing free agent Cowboys? You don't say. Parcells considering retaining the incumbent GM before the draft? You don't say. 1-14 coach considered to have one foot out the door? You don't say.

 

I hope it's accurate.

 

Well I wouldnt engrave it in stone but I would have the chisel out of the box

 

Fred Flintstone style

 

I said it before on here and got flamed, but I think Cam will be the first to go.

Based on what Parcells said he wants in a coach, it seems almost like he is pointing out exactly the things that Cam has done very poorly with. Game management and being able to run a 'professional team'.

Cam still doesn't grasp the concept of putting those 3 points on the board and BUILDING FROM THERE.

In that Pats game we could have had 13 points before the 4th quarter if he woud have just kicked those two field goals and if Lemon (who also has his head up his arse) would have just dove for it, instead of skipping out of bounds like a cheerleader.

 

hopefully its accurate

 

Except Parcells has also stated that the Patriots game was the first Dolphins game he's seen this year.

If you're down by three scores, you need seven points on a drive, not three.

 

If you have more than half the game to go, you're playing to tie and NOT TO WIN if you are willing to gamble on 4th down when those 3 points are right there to be taken.
This is exactly what the phrase; 'poor game management' means.

This is why we only have one game in the victory column, Cam has repeatedly made that same mistake. If Cam knows our offense is woefully lacking in talent, then why gamble on 4th down, when they can't make anything happen on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down?

Kick the 3 points and play the game. Don't lose your cool.

 

There's another phrase that's relevant here: "nothing to lose."

It's amazing how we finally get a coach who shows some aggression after years of pining for just that, and everyone turns around and criticizes the guy for going for it.

 

- That made me laugh pretty hard and spit water all over my keyboard.

 

Ya, but that doesn't mean you have to be stupid with it. Just look at Mularkey, aggressive when he needed to be conservative didnt benefit this team last year.

 

When was Mularkey ever aggresive? He was the most conservative, crappy play caller I've ever seen. As to Cameron going for it...the only plays I had issues with were the third and fourth down plays in the second half, where he ran back to back play-action passes from about a foot away from the goal line. That was horrible. The question is, when you have an offense as bad as the Dolphins, and a defense that can't stop my hometown's Pee Wee football team, why would you kick a field goal, and expect that to have any affect on the game? Kicking a field goal once a half, while the other team drives the field multiple times on you, scoring TD's is dumb. Might as well go for it on fourth, and maybe get a TD that could ignite your team.

 

There is a big difference between going for it on 4th down, when you are outside field goal range and going for it once you are in field goal range.

Then the time element also has to be considered. If you have half the game to go and your only down by 3 scores I think you should kick the field goal.

If you're in the 4th quarter and time is running out, then it makes sense, but before halftime it is just plain st00pid.

 

I guess that's one way to look at it. I look at it differently. You need 3 TDs and a field goal to win. You can't score 21 points with one play anyway. Get the 3 points that are there to be taken and play the game. Once there are points on the scoreboard then the team has something to build on.

 

Um, not down by three scores, down by FOUR touchdowns. Big difference there. I love the revisionist history that goes on with these debates. 28 points becomes 3 scores, like three field goals and we’re back in it baby!

 

Kick a field goal? What coach in the NFL would think of that on 4th down?

Spiking the ball with a minute left theres the coach i want.

Aggression would be considered an emotion. The Cambot 2000 was not programed for that function, only holding the clipboard in front of his face and looking bored and tired at press conferences. Maybe the aggression you see is just a kid that played madden 1 to many times and doesn't realize this is the real deal. If you see an emotion come from Cam you let me know.

 

I don't think Cameron is a horrible coach or a bad guy, but I would not shed a tear if he is let go. He just seems rather lifeless on the sideline regardless of what the team is doing....lets get someone in there with a little fire and someone to inspire the troops.

 

Emotional, angry coaches make for great television--see Denny Green and Jon Gruden--but generally don't have a success rate higher than calm coaches like Dungy and Belichick.

 

You are confusing angry and emotional coaches, with those who bring intensity to the game.....guys like Cowher, Gruden, Billick still maintain their focus while not flying off the handle. Cameron just stands there with a goofy confused look on his face, staring at his play list.

 

theres a difference between calm and bored. Cam falls under the latter

 

And yet, Gruden won with Dungy's team, Cowher took 15 years with arguably the best organization in the NFL, and Billick has lost his team in ways that FHers think Cameron has lost his.

Trust me, I'm not confused. I'm not unclear on the difference between an emotional coach and an unemotional coach. I just happen to recognize that there's no correlation between a coach's sideline demeanor and the success of his team.

 

Dungy is probably the only unemotional coach who has won a SB. I just think Cameron has gotten over his head moving from the college game to the pros. It is very clear from his playcalling that he is not ready to be an NFL head coach. I also think too many people are apologizing for Cam by saying we don't have the talent.....but when you make the calls Cam makes, especially in the red zone, it shows he isn't ready for the NFL.

 

Belichick. Noll. Gibbs. Landry. Vermeil.

 

he didnt do to hot as a HC in college either. Why are some people afraid to say hes a good OC but may not be HCing Material. and how long do you want to wait to find out if hes HCing material. Do you want another season where we go for it on 4th and 8 instead of taking 3? Do we want another year of worse clock management skills then Mike Kruczeck when he was UCFs coach? Do we want another year of horrible play calling for the talent we have?

 

Vermeil is unemotional.........WOW. The guy cries during long distance commercials.

 

I think his play calling speaks for itself....very predictable. Even when we had a healthy Ronnie Brown, Cam seemed to insist on running it up the middle over and over at the goal line and each time RB got stuffed. How often do the Phins ever seem to throw a deep pass? When do we ever throw screen passes to our TE's? How often has this team ever tried to fake a punt, or take a chance on going for it 4th down, when we have absolutely nothing to lose?

 

Is Tom Coughlin a possibility with Parcells here? Is he signed long term in NY or is he a lame duck? Im not the guys biggest fan-not even close, but I'd have to say if he was available he'd probably be on Parcell's shortlist for sure.

 

I doubt he we go for coughlin i hope he goes for marty i mean picture that the tuna and marty wherever they go there winners.

 

I don't want either Coughlin or Marty, just asking if Bill would go after Coughlin.

 

NO! Please God, NO!!!!!!!!!!

 

You're misinterpreting what we're talking about.

We're talking about rah-rah blood and guts coaches versus, well, not rah-rah blood and guts coaches.

Thank you for backing up my assertion that Vermeil is not a blood and guts guy.

 

Cam only had one game worth showing emotion , and from the video he looked pretty emotional after that game

 

LOL, I agree with you, just trying to figure out what Parcells might want to do. Coughlin seems like his kind of coach though.

 

Nah, still don't buy your assertion in the least. Vermeil is known as a guy that coaches with emotion, he was a poor example on your part.

 

Nope, he was a great example. Some people believe that only a fire and brimstone coach can win it all. Vermeil proves otherwise.

 

I agree with you totally. I want a coach who will get into his players face when he makes a mistake and high five him when he does good. Cameron has that I just sucked on a lemon look. His play chart is his safety net, always hiding behind it.