1. Face it no matter how much you say our line was most improved it was Ronnie that was most improved. The Line still plain sucks compared to all lines in the NFL. We need to beef that Oline up to the size of Dallas's old emmit days or trim them down the way Shanahan does it. The oline was decent at letting a RB go forwards, decent, not half bad but certainly not good. We need to have an oline that can pass block too, which for some reason this one cannot (its strange usually pass blocking is easier) I don't see any O-lineman worth the 1st overall so you still have to take the best overall if you cant move down. If we allow the jets or pats to get to Mcfadden then we need to fold the team up and move it to arena 2 Finally im tired of the people that say beck has a future to be great. Beck made a choice, his choice was not to be devoted 100% to football, that doesn't make him a bad person, just not an NFL QB. I want my QB to be completely void of any interests other then breaking all of farves records. Beck is young, and people say you cant throw them in like that, well we did with Dan. I want a Dan Marino, I want a Manning, I want Montana and i want Elway, I dont want a serviceable QB, i want a legend. Beck isnt it.
LMAO!! Ok. First of all, our d-line is way worse off than our offensive line. If we don't go D first in the draft, I'm gonna be pissed. Secondly, you're never going to get another Dan Marino. There isn't a guy out there that is the next Dan Marino. Beck could be good. He could be really good. Manning wasn't good his first year. Brady didn't even start his first year. Brees wasn't that good his first couple years. It's not normal for a quarterback to come out and be really good...it takes having a really good team around them. No QB is going to come out of college and light up the scoreboard with the team we have right now. On a side note, why do people insist on making posts about things that have been discussed ad naseum on these boards? I mean, seriously, we've had so many threads about Beck, and so many people have shown why it's ******ed to think that a quarterback is going to be great right out of the gates...
A). Drafting a player to keep him away from a rival team is one of the dumbest you could ever do on draft day. You know what that does? That makes you draft players that REALLY don't help your team whatsoever. B). What makes you think that Beck made a choice not be devoted 100% to football. Everybody in the locker room says he is a film junky and there stories around the time he was drafted stating how he would study his playbook... while grocery shopping. C). Funny you mention names like Elway, Favre, Manning and Marino. John Elway, in his first year, threw for 7 TD's and 14 Interceptions with a glorious 47.5% accuracy and 54.9 passer rating. Brett Favre threw 39 interceptions his first year. Manning... Well, everybody can tell you about Manning's rookie season. Only Marino is the exception. I am so glad you're not a GM. You'd throw half of these legends under the bus their first they are not performing.
What I said is you dont let the best pick in the draft go to someone that can hurt you because u couldnt trade down. If we cant trade down, then u take the #1, not the #3 or 4 or 5 because hes a need. Next Our oline is crap. Our dline sucks but lets try and give whatever qb we have some time. Our Oline cant block a 3 man rush on a passing down. We need to fix that. This is a project Fixing the oline comes before the dline IMO
First of all, our line is actually okay. Problem is that John Beck sufferes from rookie pains, something almost every prospect suffers from, and Cleo Lemon is Cleo Lemon. Could they use some more men on the line? Sure. But the line is actually okay, especially with Hadnot, Carey and Satele. Second of all, Dorsey so far (and probably Ghoulston) is the BPA on defense and is, by a lot of peoples consensus worth number one. Not to say that McFadden isn't, but when you have to choose between adding a running back to a corps that already has Brown, Chatman, and Booker or upgrade a defensive line that let's more running backs have their way with them than a promiscuous high school cheerleader, the choice is obvious.
then so does cleo leamon. Niether of them have time for a 3 step drop...I like satele, but the LINE SUCKS. Its sucked for a long time. IT has no pass block WHATSOEVER. How many sacks do we have. How many hurries. How many picks associated with it. THE O line need Help and i pray to god that theire is a kieth simms or a richmond webb hiding in this draft
To tell the truth, I can't even explain Cleo. One minute, he's a Pro Bowler, next minute, he's indecisive.
He's a bad football player who happens to be receiving good coaching. That's the only explanation I can think of.
he looks scared gun shy out there, and when hes out of the pocket he takes a long time to throw it away. An oline that would allow him to stay in the pocket would help this.
Why wait. They both suck, but the oline protects a young qb that people think can have success. If the man is scared out their every play he wont turn out to be anything (until we trade him to the pats that is)
Bro, John Beck is a rookie quarterback. Rarely any rookie quarterback pans out their first year. Heck look at Drew Brees. He's pretty much the poster boy of why you should give QB's some time. Plus we already have three pretty good/great linemen in Satele, Carey, and Hadnot. I say we address right tackle in the draft and let Mormino compete with Liwienski next year.
You look at NEs starting 5 and you tell me which of ours would start there. The answer is None. I dont want decent I want NEs line or SDs line. I want to be able to see beck (if we keep him) take a 5 step drop and not have a tackle or an end in front of him. Right now, it wouldnt matter who you have behind that line. They would still only have 1/2 a second to get rid of the ball and people would be calling for a new QB. Im not a fan of beck but i bet he would play a lot better if he dint have a DT in his face every play
Wrong again. The reason we traded up in the 2004 draft to acquire Vernon Carey is because New England wanted him. Hadnot would have a nice place on their line, too. I'm not sure about Satele, simply because Dan Koppen is pretty good on his own. Shelton and Liwienski/Lekkerkerker, however, would be backups at best on New England's line.
the difference with carey is hed be playing guard. I dont see any of them starting for NE but thats just My opinion. how about this, do we have any players on the team that compare to sims or webb. why is it so difficult to want great instead of serviceable.
Carey would be NE's starting right tackle without question, and they'd find a place for Hadnot at right guard without complaint. Hadnot will find a nice place on someone's line next year.
