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****The Official 2014-15 NBA Thread****

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by schmolioot, Jul 7, 2014.

  1. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    :lol: Knicks' fans are jumping ship, there is even a thread on the Heat board at realgm of a Knicks fan converting to a Heat fan after what Phil Jackson did last night.
     
  2. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    One of the things to love about Winslow is that he played his best in the biggest games.

    Not just in the tournament. He really started to kick things into high gear during the meat of the ACC schedule and was just dominant.
     
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  3. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    Name recognition and fans....always fun times.
     
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  4. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I hope ESPN does not fire Jalen Rose from the NBA draft panel. That was pure comedy last night. We need to see more comparisons next year.
     
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  5. Boik14

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    Fugazy nyk fans. Get them the hell outta here. Don't want bandwagoners anyway
     
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  6. Limbo

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    A few days ago I posted this on how Winslow has some of Wade's game to him (edited a bit). A lot of the halfcourt stuff started to emerge later on in the season, especially in the tournament. For most of the year he had to find ways to get opportunities in transition because Duke used a pretty deep rotation and ran their offense through Okafor and Tyus Jones, leaving little opportunity for Winslow to be more than a spot-up/attacking closeouts kind of guy in the halfcourt. I think we'll see him develop a back-to-the-basket game because again the tools and the body are there, as is the work ethic.

    I'm not saying that I think he's going to become one of the best SGs of all time. But given some of the glimpses here, I think we'll find that there's more to him than defense and running the floor and spotting up. I think long-term he'll be best as a SG who can potentially have the ball in his hands more and play a Wade-like game of attacking with the occasional long jumper. Few thought Wade would find the offense he did when he came out of Marquette, and he entered the NBA at 21. Justise turned 19 three months ago. I know people see a more obvious comparison to Jimmy Butler, but Winslow is so much further along than Butler was at this stage (Butler played 4 years of college ball), I just think Winslow's work ethic and the limiting role he played at Duke means we'll see his game expand a lot.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    So much to like on him. I really like his shot mechanics from behind the arc. Very consistent on his makes, little wasted motion. Of course on his misses you find that the mechanics have gone to trash, but that just gives you something to work on in practice making him more consistent period.

    I love how DX's "Strengths" video on him is almost 11 minutes long and the "Weaknesses" video is under 5 minutes, lol. And the weaknesses video is like, "He missed some shots sometimes."

    There really is so much he does well that it's hard to cover it all. I think that's why some people talk about Kawhi Leonard.
     
  8. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The only thing I think that dropped Winslow is I think teams aren't sure how they will use him and how he will produce. The caution is that he was his best as an undersized PF and taller PFs couldn't get out to the 3 point line to guard him or play him off the dribble. I'm interested in seeing how that part of his game transitions. And he only hit 19% of corner elbow jumpers which probably scared NYK since that's a big part of triangle
     
  9. Vertical Limit

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    As far as Winslow goes, Winslow apparently tanked a few workouts with several teams, so far the Nuggets have said Winslow tanked. That attitude didnt bode well for them so they passed. Worked out for us though.
     
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  10. BevoPhin

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    So i woke up and miami getting Justise Winslow was definitely not a dream.

    Freaking Pat. Should i have expected anything else from your highness.


    ^^^^Parsons is on the m avericks bro
     
  11. BevoPhin

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    If youre so not a fan of a team that you'll start rooting for their biggest rival, you shouldn't act like you give a **** about the draft. Because if zinger balls out they're gonna go right back.
     
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  12. CaribPhin

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    Let's be honest here, there aren't any Knick bandwagoners. After getting abused for so long, can you blame them from leaving their relationship?
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    This Josh Richardson kid reminds me of Wade as well. Maybe even more so than Justise Winslow. That's interesting.

    Richardson has such an easy athletic manner on the court, but with some strength and some wood to him. The way he slashes is a lot like Wade. Not much of an outside shooter either, like Wade.

    Josh Richardson Tennessee (2014-15):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_PRlNNgIc

    Throwback Wade (2006 Finals):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEyo2P5dgec
     
  14. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This.
     
  15. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Lebron's camp now says Lebron will wait for Cleveland to make roster changes before making a commitment lol. This is Lebron's way to grab Gilbert by the balls to get his way.

    I think this also means Gilbert MUST pay Thompson and Kevin Love whilst adding some talent with the mini MLE and bringing back JR Smith. Ive said it once before, Lebron is a union man. Gilbert is going to pay high taxes soon.
     
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  16. Boik14

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    Bandwagon...fair weather....choose your terminology. You have a team them you have it for life in my book.
     
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  17. ckparrothead

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    Would it be terribly conspiracy theory-ish to suggest Pat Riley convinced him to turn some teams off? I would say it's ridiculous but evidently it happens all the time in basketball.
     
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  18. CaribPhin

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    To be fair, this is the draft equivalent of walking into your bedroom to a naked and willing ScarJo and not going to sleep immediately.
     
  19. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You dance with the devil......

    It's a really nice dance, ton of fun, but it costs your soul
     
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  20. CaribPhin

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    The weather hasn't been that fair much either so I think he broke. This is Fireman Ed retiring the schtick more than Lebaron fans leaving the heat. Also, I'm a lifer person with sports teams too, which is why I haven't gone in on hockey or association just yet. But, it's not like he's had the best of times. It's a tale of two cities and the Knicks happen to be the city you fly over to get to the good one.
     
  21. sports24/7

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    I still can't believe we got Winslow at 10. I was hoping there was an outside shot we'd trade up to 7 for him. To get him at 10 is insane. I can't help but think of the similarities to the Dolphins landing Parker. I felt the same way as those last few picks went by with teams taking other players. Both Parker and Winslow were two of my favorite players in each respected draft and I didn't think it was likely either would get to our pick.

    Now on to FA. Hopefully we lock up Wade and Dragic and get a nice piece with the MLE or min.
     
  22. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    For now yes. Ill maintain my optimism. It can never be lower then Isiah and being stuck in cap hell with Eddy Curry, Jamal Chuckford, Stephon Douchebury, and Jerome James. It just cant be.
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...w-heat-could-shake-up-the-eastif-they-want-to

    Love this article by Ethan.
     
  24. Limbo

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    Meanwhile, in Boston...
    .:lol:
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    Ouch. LOL.
     
  26. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Ainge always ends up on his knees when trying to **** with Riley.
     
  27. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I knew that decision to retire Jordan's number would pay off!

    Riley. Always thinking 15 years ahead, LOL
     
  28. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    LOOOL we will always be in good terms with the Hornets thanks to Riley.
     
  29. sports24/7

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    That makes it even sweeter. And while I like Kaminsky, if he bombs and Jordan blew that it would be even better.
     
  30. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    BR Article: Lebron likely to decline option for 2016 to wait and see...

    "Even though LeBron James likely isn't going anywhere this summer, the former NBA MVP is going to see how things play out for the Cleveland Cavaliers' other free agents before making a commitment.
    [HR][/HR]LeBron Using 'Wait-And-See Approach'

    Friday, June 26

    According to Chris Haynes of the Northeast Ohio Media Group, James is expected to decline his player option for next season and will sit back to see how the Cleveland front office works with the roster before committing to the team:

    The four-time MVP has a player option deadline of Monday, and he will decline to pick up that deal for next season. The belief is James wants to observe how management goes about retaining and accumulating assets keep the organization in win-now mode and improve the roster.

    Before Cleveland loses its collective mind, Haynes noted the odds of James leaving the city again are "slim," but he's using this opportunity to make sure Cavaliers general manager David Griffin is able to put a championship-caliber roster around him.

    Cleveland's front office has a lot of decisions to make with Kevin Love, J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and Tristan Thompson all set to become free agents when the negotiating window opens July 1.


    James saw what happened to Cleveland's roster in the NBA Finals without Love and Kyrie Irving, so it's just smart business sense for him to let other things fall into place before he signs another deal with the Cavaliers.
    James is 30 years old and already has a lot of miles on his legs. He only has a finite amount of time left playing at an MVP level, so the roster around him will be important to ensuring he and the team are able to compete for titles well into the future. "
     
  31. Mcduffie81

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    Hearing the pessimists saying that Winslow "won't be an all star" and that he's "only a great piece to have off the bench" another "Shane Battier". Please tell me they're wrong and why!
     
  32. sports24/7

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    When he opted out last year everyone said his chances of leaving were slim at first too. I think he stays in Cleveland, but who the hell knows with that guy.
     
  33. sports24/7

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    He doesn't have to be an all-star for it to be a good pick and if he's Shane Battier that would be a good thing. Most drafts only have a couple of all-stars in them, so you shouldn't expect to get one at 10. He does have all-star potential, though as he's a 2 way player with great athleticism and while people question his shooting, he shot pretty well last year. You see him compared to Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, and James Harden. He should have a pretty high floor as well, though. The metrics guys at ESPN had him as the 3rd highest probability to be a superstar and the lowest probability to be a bust.
     
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  34. Mcduffie81

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    I just can't imagine Riley and Co. saying "Sweet! We just drafted the next Battier!". I guess I'm hoping for more....
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    He's more Lance Stephenson than Shane Battier.

    The way this guy finishes at the rim, I don't see the Battier comparison. Is his shooting success real or just a streaky fluke? That's the real question with him. I think the fact there's such a notable difference in his mechanics on his makes versus his misses is encouraging in a way, giving him something to work on. Then again, being a 60% type of free throw shooter...

    The way he handles the ball on the attack, through contact, and makes the right basketball play...I can see why he's compared to Wade a lot (especially with that Euro Step of his) but he's actually reminding me more of LeBron.

    Short story short, do you think Shane Battier would show these strengths?

    [video=youtube;_TK3tEOSJcY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TK3tEOSJcY[/video]
     
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  36. CaribPhin

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    In about as much logic as they're using, here's why he won't be Battier:

    [video=youtube;FcUi6UEQh00]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUi6UEQh00[/video]
     
  37. DevilFin13

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    Duke fan here. I love Justise Winslow. The James Harden comparison could sound lazy at first. But it fits. He's not blazing fast like a Russell Westbrook. But he's got really good instincts as far as knowing how to dribble by you and how to run a fast break. Despite what some say, he could pull up and hit the 3 (41% at Duke). He's not the passer Harden is. But he's not selfish. And defensively he is the anti-Harden. Again, has great instincts around the rim and just plays tough. He's got a chance to be really good.
     
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  38. DevilFin13

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    I didn't know there were negative reports out there about Winslow. I haven't read anything similar about his time at Duke. It's possible, I guess. There were times early when he didn't seem completely there. Though that could have just been injuries. Once he either got healthy or decided to care he was the best player on the court, and that's along side a center who shot around 60% from the floor who was more polished offensively than half the centers in the NBA, as a freshman.
     
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  39. JShady

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    How funny would it be if Lebron came back to the Heat? That would be an instant ring for that year.
     
  40. Vertical Limit

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    I uave a feeling blatt gets fired within the next two weeks. Lebron using that wait and see might not be about the players but the coach. I mean what more players can Lebron be asking for. He got to the Finals and won two games without Love and Irving. From a talent standpoint theyre fine. But Blatt is someone he isnt fine with.
     
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