Hmmm, just found this except online. An interview with Jon snow. I put it behind spoiler tags because I don't know if all who view this thread want to see it. It concerns the potential fate of Jon Snow and the rumors of the contract negotiations. Very interesting if true... Spoiler Interviwer: I was talking to Dan Weiss and he said Jon is really dead. But George R.R. Martin left open the possibility the character might not be dead in the books. And then that cast salary contract story came out last year and it had your name among those receiving raises for season six and an option on a seventh. So let me ask you: Is Jon really dead? Jon Snow: This is my understanding of it. I had a sit-down with Dan and David, we did the Tony Soprano walk [letting an actor know they’re being whacked]. And they said, “Look, you’re gone, it’s done.” And as far as the salary thing goes, that angered me when that story came out. I don’t know where it came from, but it was inaccurate in many ways. It’s going to put questions into your head and into fans’ heads that things are not what they are. Quite honestly, I have never been told the future of things in this show, but this is the one time I have. They sat me down and said, “This is how it is.” If anything in the future is not like that, then I don’t know about it – it’s only in David and Dan and George’s heads. But I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. So that’s all I can tell you, really.
Maybe I'm looking too far into it, but Stannis wasn't killed on screen. Would there be any reason at all for Brienne to spare him?
Probably not in Game of Rewrites, no. It is very interesting that they cut away from Stannis' implied death, though. As for Jon Snow… that's complicated.
The cut away was interesting, but we did get sword on body contact noise... As soon as they cut away, my first thought was, "has GoT ever cut away from a death scene?" Only with Arya's sword teacher. Maybe he'll live afterall... As for Jon Snow, I just feel there is too much unfinished business with his story, especially regarding his parentage, for him to be dead. All that buildup, and for what? What happens with Castle Black, the Night's watch, and the White Walkers without Snow? Unlike the shocking deaths of other characters, this character has too much story build up and foreshadowing to die. I have to believe he's coming back.
His death makes all the white walker stuff seem pointless to me. Now that he is dead (assuming he is), you got the Night's Watch with a bunch of wildlings without the one person who had been keeping the peace. They're all gonna kill each other.
Here's something about the Jon Snow scene that everyone here needs to keep in mind. It was used as a shock ending for the 5th book, because the planned endings—the Battle of Winterfell and the cut-from-TV or maybe-moved-to-season-6 Battle of Meereen—were cut from the end of book 5 and moved to the beginning of book 6. If it feels like it leaves plot threads dangling, it does, because we were originally supposed to have a continuance to find out what happened after. But now TV watchers are hanging off the same cliff book readers have been dangling from since 2011. Personally, I'm annoyed that the release date for The Winds of Winter wasn't announced.
ugh... pisses me off that Jon Snow is apparently dead... favorite character on the show... although I've gone back and re-watched him dying, you can see the light going on in his eyes... perhaps that means something... but all this season is for naught if he is indeed dead. With the Priestess coming back to Castle Black though, I can get what some of you are saying. I guess I'm one of the few that didn't see his death coming... my TV didn't see it either. ****ing brightness on my TV didn't catch the "Traitor" sign, I just see him turn around and get stabbed in the stomach by the former LC. So then, I rewind, turn the brightness up full blast, and wallah, oh I see it now. ****ers... I am little pissed off that this has become another book vs tv show thread after I told you book groupies to talk in the other thread that was created (the book discussion thread). I guess it doesn't matter now though as the two mediums have caught up apparently. Anyway... I think Drogon taking Dany to the Dothraki is very interesting indeed. Looks like he knows what is best for his mother. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. She's gone back to her roots certainly. Didn't see Stannis die... didn't see the Hound die either. I suppose Brienne killing Stannis was too predictable though as I had called that one earlier. And if IIIII'm calling it, it must be friggin predictable. We also didn't see the Mountain die... but he's certainly alive and well Not alive nor well is Mervyn Trant... Arya ****ed him up royally didn't she... I guess she's my favorite character now... Tyrion is second... Sansa? Well, I'm hoping she didn't make it on her landing jumping from the top of the Winterfell wall. So did they use a body double and a lot of CGI on Cersei's naked walk or what? Even then, I would have thought she'd looked better than that... she's only 41 in real life. I'm guessing the Mountain... Frankenstein? Frankountain? Mountainfrank? MountainSTEIN!!?!! I'm guessing he won't ever leave her side again. Looks like Qyburn hasn't fully perfected his craft of bringing people back from the dead as the Mountain can't talk. Nothing of Bran this season... a bit disappointed in that.
Bran is coming back in season 6. As for book talk, it's the end of the season, it's unavoidable. The show is now fully caught up and in some places has surpassed the books. It's impossible to talk about the series now without comparing the two. Couple of questions this season left dangling: 1. What are Littlefinger and Olenna Tyrell planning? 2. Where did the Ironborn go?
Was it just me, or did it seem like Brienne was struck or under duress as the camera cut away from her?
The white walker stuff isn't pointless. Both Stannis and Jon were candidates to being Azor Ahair reborn, which is why Mel was with Stannis in the first place. Now both are dead, or at least their futures are uncertain, but there are other candidates. Maester Aemon thought that Dany could be Azor Ahai, and she certainly has the weapons needed to fight the white walkers. The Night's Watch is screwed though. They were already a crumbling institution before and now there are wildlings south of the wall, which is the least of their problems. As for Mel saving Jon. Red Priests have shown the ability to bring back the dead. Thoros of Myr brought back Beric Dondarrion a few times, and he met with Mel back in season 3. She's at the wall right now so it's certainly possible she brings him back. If she does, what will he do now that's he's free from his oath as a Night's watchman? Will he ride south and kick Bolton butt? Will he rally the Wildings to become the next king beyond the wall?
That moment when everyone in the thread turns to look at you and asks "WHO???" The Ironborn are treated terribly by this show. Hopefully that changes with season 6.
Pretty sure he's long dead isn't he? One of the blood leach victims. Rob, Joffrey and Balon. At least that's how it went down in the books, but not sure if show followed it. Edited to add: I guess it was only hinted at in books and I don't think show did anything with it. Crazy how big a part of the 4th and 5th books the iron islands were and how nonexistent they have been from the show. I think just another example of the books just having way too many characters for a TV show to keep up with.
If the casting rumors are correct Balon will probably get a "Previously on Game of Thrones" scene in season 6.
It's been a while since we saw Beric Dondarrion, so I've forgotten who he is and what was his significance. I recall the scenes in the caves though. Soooo I did some quick reading, found this link... http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Beric_Dondarrion The Brothers Without Banners is an interesting group and Beric an interesting character. You do have to ask yourself why Melisandre rode back to Castle Black. Her visions haven't come true... or at least didn't with Stannis.. but perhaps they will with someone else leading an army against the Boltons.
Approximately. Some storylines, like Bran and the Ironborn, have been omitted and should return for season 6.
For the most part. As Desides said, there are parts where books are ahead and parts where the show is ahead, but call it a wash and for the most part they are even. Although I do think they could probably fill an entire season's worth of stuff into a season 6 that the show ignored from the books, but I don't think that will happen.
The visions aren't the issue, it's her interpretation of them that's the problem. For example, she never foresaw a Baratheon victory. She saw the Bolton flag consumed by flames. That's a pretty big distinction.
This actually makes a lot of sense. One of the big problems I have with the way things have unfolded is that Jon Snow dying essentially removes any strong characters from the story.Just not conceivable for him to be removed.
Getting rid of Stanley Barton (I refuse to acknowledge this character as Stannis Baratheon) also does no favors for the story. They've basically eliminated all organized opposition to the bad guys. So now it's just bad guys vs bad guys. I'm on Team Night's King. Let's see Shirtless Ramsay win THAT fight.
The only real 'good guys' left are Daenerys, Tyrion, and the Stark kids. I think Jamie has crossed the line from bad to good. But none of those characters have shown they can realistically take the throne. Tyrion for obvious reasons. Daenerys has really shown to be a somewhat incompetent leader. All of those characters hold a ton of promise, but the only lynchpin to bring everything together was Jon Snow. NIght's King hopefully will bring a level of justice in the future, but it is difficult for me to take the Whitewalkers that seriously. The imagery we get with them is amazing, but realistically they have not been personified at all, which really precludes long-term success for them. Maybe that will change next season, and we get to see the personal side of the Night King, but I'm not holding my breath.
I am watching the finale tonight. Logged onto Facebook and my dip**** cousin announced who got killed in the finale. idiot.
Your cousin is the idiot? He wasn't the one who logged onto Facebook and expected not to get spoiled by something that happened over 5 years ago.
I should text my brother what happened, I don't think he's seen any of the S5 episodes yet, he prefers to watch them all at once.
The kids north of the wall didn't show up once this season. Was that a story arc that was accelerated versus the rest of the show?
Bran was omitted entirely from season 5. He'll be back in season 6. My guess is that they're going to use Bran's storyline to elaborate on some necessary backstory for the endgame… and probably retcon the **** out of everything.
Stannis is an awesome character in the books. Frightening and atmospheric. The show's version of the character is bit disappointing.
what about Tormund Giantsbane and the wildlings, the descendants of the First Men and with the purest bloodline? Do they get a horse in this race after learning of Snow's murder? After all, isn't the quote, "They're not your lands! We've been here the whole time! You lot came along and just put up a big Wall and said it was yours!"?
..besides, is Jon Snow really gone? Was it purely coincidental that The Red Woman was introduced to The Wall shortly before his demise?
Sort of. Book 4 and Book 5 chronologically occur at the same time. Bran's story was in book 5, but they decided to put it into season 4 and keep him out of season 5 for some reason. Dany doesn't appear at all in Book 4, they adapted her book 5 story line to fit into season 4 and 5.
So now that Arya is blind, will she work with Bran? Kinda sucks how bad of luck that ****ing family has. They're like the Kennedys.
Jon Snow is 100% dead. That doesn't mean he's not coming back. We've seen three ways to resurrect people in the series. It'd be more shocking to me if he stayed dead to be honest.
It seems to be a running gag in Westeros that every few generations the Starks do something stupid and get slaughtered wholesale. Ned Stark himself wasn't the primary heir and the war that put Robert on the throne was started because his older Brother and Father protested the kidnapping of his sister Lyanna. They were killed by Dany's father, the Mad King. Rickon Stark will probably be the last one standing when the series concludes.
Maybe Arya shouldn't screw with a secretive group of supernatural assassins. I'll give the show one thing, they left that plotline mostly intact. Arya made her own bad luck, just like how this series used to work before it began cheating to give the bad guys advantages.
