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Game of Thrones - Season 5

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  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Shiet... I doubted it... I doubt everything when it comes to this show :lol: NOBODY IS SAFE!
     
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  2. wpgfishfan

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    Why did you feel Jon Snow wouldn't die?
     
  3. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Right, but that wasn't the point of hard home. It was never meant to be a battle, but a massacre. The real treat was seeing the threat. To that end, it was highly suspenseful and a true introduction of our primary series villain.
     
  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    (EDIT) oops... thought that was directed at me... anyway, for me... he was in enemy territory... and if they weren't going to stab him in the back, whatever was on the other side of those walls was going to eat his face off. Then he has the one on one with the WW in the hut, who had just annihilated a pretty bad *** character in his own right. I mean the Rob Stark thing caught me completely off guard... losing Eddard Stark in the first season... completely off guard. It seems to run in the family. And these were pretty major characters in those seasons. Jon Snow has just been appointed to the lord commander of the nights watch, I expect him to die every scene he's in.
     
  5. Stringer Bell

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    Because Sansa just found out he's leader if Nights Watch. They would have a tough time advancing her storyline with him dying IMO.

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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I'll bite.......what the hell are you talking about?
     
  7. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if this is a spoiler since it's just my guess, but it is partly based on the book material.

    My guess is that Jon Snow is stabbed in the season finale and they'll leave his fate as a cliff hanger. (I think they're setting up the Ollie storyline towards that). My understanding is that the actor was signed for season six and is (or was) renegotiating for season 7 so I expect he'll either survive the stabbing, warg into ghost or be resurrected in some other way (maybe Melisandre?).
     
  8. Stringer Bell

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    From a character development perspective, what do you think the purpose of Ramsey telling her about Jon was? Do you think the writers could keep her as a sex slave for much longer?

    One of the problems with Jon Snow being killed off is that they have made Stannis a relatively unlikeable character. Killing Jon Snow kills a lot of intriguing storylines, especially now that two of the more likeable characters have joined forces (Tyrion and Danaerys).

    All this is JMO. I haven't read the books. I could be completely wrong.

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  9. Fin D

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    You're talking about a show that with joy and glee, has killed off many likable (much more likable than JS even) characters. They've done so, even after setting them up with important story lines.
     
  10. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Definitely a weaker episode 9 than in any season past. The final act, like last week, proved to be the strongest part of the episode. Sadly, unlike the rest of episode 8, episode 9 wasn't backed with strong and intriguing storylines.


    - Stannis has officially gone dark side. He went from someone worth rooting for, in a show full of monsters, to someone I really despise. Killing his own daughter was sick. I've always enjoyed the Onion Knight, and when he gets back from the Wall, I hope he doles out justice. No way he stands with Stannis after this. And I hope TV Stannis gets what he deserves.

    - Dorne... I've been defending Dorne from the start, hoping the build up would pay off. It started out alright... Some laughs, violence, great boobs... But it didn't amount to anything worth while. Oberyn, one of my favorite characters, was a great intro to Dorne. But it clearly isn't being capitolized on. At least not yet. Maybe next season, but I'm not hopeful after this season's showing.

    - Jaime, probably my favorite of all the characters, was completely wasted. His story is one of the more unique. A villain, loses the one thing (sword hand) that makes him special, and in the process of reestablishing his internal identity, tries to become the knight he dreamed of being as a boy, and takes on hero qualities. All wasted.

    - Arya has met one of the men on her list of people to die. That's good news, as I'm excited to see what killing Meryn Trant will do for her... Will it change her? Will it convince her to leave or stay? Interesting stuff. The bad? Meryn Trant is now a pedophile... In part, I suspect because D&D want us to hate him and in part to get Arya access she needs to kill him. Either way, it felt... cheap and kinda gross. I feel like GoT is starting to buy into it's own hype. They're the edgy, violent, sexy, unpredictable TV show, not afraid to go where other shows don't dare.. Sometimes it's uncomfortable, but it's always felt right. The show is starting to jump the shark in regards to women and violence against them. 9.9/10, I always disagree with the femanazi's outrage when it comes to GoT... but I feel the criticism is starting to become deserved.

    - The fight pit was both cool and... well lame. Lame because the fight choreography was terrible. At one point, you could see Jorah's rubber sword bend awkwardly as it stuck another weapon. Sword fighting has never been terrific in GoT, but this season, we've seen a number of cringe worthy moments. I think this show needs to invest in CGI swords and go the star wars route. Give them lighter stick type weapons with medieval hilts, cgi them into swords, and add sound effects. Aside from the choreography, I liked what the scene stood for though. And I liked Jorah's redemption. Even though he refuses to accept the fact that he's in the friendzone, he doesn't really have much to live for now with his disease. Proving loyalty to his queen and returning home once more, seeing her take the iron throne is as good of a reason to live as any at this point.

    Dany's dragons are big, but they're still babies. Not as big as they will get, and certainty not physically strong enough to withstand spears, as Drogon took quite a few to the back/neck/ribs. Still, it was fun watching him run around like a lizard and lighting people on fire. The end sequence was awesome. Maybe that means the dragons are ready to take order and listen? Dany is officially a rider now... The look on Tyrion's face was priceless. And I suspect Dany's going to take the advice of Daario and slaughter the wise masters once and for all. Hopefully, she enlists the other two dragons to help.


    Not really feeling episode S5E9's "A Dance with Dragon's." I was hoping for more. I felt kind of dissatisfied all the way around, minus the final 15 minutes. Maybe my expectations were too high considering how great episode 9's usually are and coming off of last week, it was going to be hard to stop.
     
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  11. Bruzer

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    Sooo much this grr... I liked him now off with his head.
     
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  12. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    [video=youtube;NfLScJVXBHQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfLScJVXBHQ[/video]

    "When George first told us about this, it was one of those times that I remember looking at Dan, and going, god, that's so horrible, and it's so good, because it all comes together in a story sense. From the very first time we meet Stannis and Melisandre, they are sacrificing and talking about king's blood, and the power it contains, and it all leads to this, to the sacrificing of Shireen." - David Benioff

    Apparently, Stannis will do this in the books too.
     
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  13. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I read a good line about Stannis. "Stannis Baratheon, the Jack Torrance of Westeros, has just disabled the snowmobile."
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is what I am expecting.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The Jon Snow story line is almost as frustrating as it is in the books.

    There is an army of the undead. You are still worried about some guys with shaggy beards? THERE IS AN ARMY OF THE UNDEAD!
     
  16. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Terrible episode after last week. Dragon showing up saved it at the end. But Dany riding it brought it back down again.

    Officially disturbed by Stannis sacrificing his daughter. Still want him to defeat the Boltons but then hopefully he gets killed off shortly thereafter (Brienne?).
     
  17. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Why?
     
  18. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I know it seems pretty obvious that if he hadn't brought those wildlings in then they'd be fighting everyone of them as undead white walkers. But I guess most of the ones so blinded by hate just don't believe the white walkers are really coming.
     
  19. rafael

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    I've been waiting for her to ride a dragon. It's been talked about since they hatched.

    I never liked Stannis. Now it's easier to hate him. Unless Melisandre pulls another shadow out of her ***** I don't give Stannis much chance against the Boltons, but I expect they'll all die soon enough. Wouldn't mind (probably prefer) if Sansa were the one to kill her husband though.
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Wasn't so much the idea of her riding it, just how it was done within the show. I half expected Disney music to break out. And the effects were quite poor all things considered.
     
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  21. Vengeful Odin

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    Spoilers for the books abound.

    What an up and down episode. They were never going to be able to follow up after Hardhome, which will go down as one of the most epic episodes this show has produced.

    For many folks (myself included), this episode now makes Stannis irredeemable and officially casts him as a "villain." You could argue (and I think the show tries to color it this way) that he has been a villain since the whole smoke monster killing his brother back in Season 2. There's a lot of problems with this characterization, most immediately is that it makes his showdown vs. the Boltons at Winterfell somewhat less exciting, as we have no one left to root for.

    The entire Dorne plot still doesn’t make much more sense to me. I really like Doran, but he has been underdeveloped, so we have no idea what his motivations are. It feels like he was able to resolve this entire subplot in the course of the episode – Bronn takes an elbow, problem solved. It felt like something out of a bad sitcom, right down to Jamie criticizing his “niece” about her choice of attire. It’s still a weak link to me.

    I enjoyed everything with Dany and company in Mereen. One choice the show has made is to simply cut through the “Mereenese knot” – as opposed to unraveling it. This decision pays off, as it makes much more sense to have Tyrion present to see Drogon come in and save his mother. Everything in Mereen is great – I can watch Drogan roast dudes all day. Then Dany gets on Drogan, then the effects start to kind of not look the best. The scene becomes somewhat Neverending Story-ish. I also don’t understand why the Unsullied, one of the most badass armies of this world, don’t bother to carry swords or daggers with them, or have any clue how to form a proper military formation.

    Up on the wall it’s pretty clear that Jon’s popularity as Lord Commander has waned considerably. It’s pretty clear that they are setting up Ollie to go all stabby-stabby, which is fine, although frustrating as it’s been so clearly telegraphed. You would think that the brothers who survived Hardhome would be quick to bring up the Night’s King, but hey, politics!

    Elsewhere, Meryn Trant was already disgusting and awful. I guess we want him to be really disgusting and awful. This is a case where I feel like things could have been accelerated. They should have contacted Littlefinger about his teleporter – didn’t they leave for Bravos in like Episode 4? Arya sure hasn’t done much this season, swept floors and sold oysters – she was more active in the books, which is crazy because I felt like that storyline progressed slowly as well.

    My predictions for episode 10: We’ll get Cersi’s confession (and most likely her walk), some form of resolution to Arya’s current storyline (‘m guessing it will be a twist of some sort – she might kill Trant but it won’t be in the way we think). Obviously from the previews we’ll get something with Sansa – no real clue where they are going there, just that it seems like we could have a Brienne / Stannis showdown coming at some point. I’m guessing, based on how things have been structured thus far, that we are going to end with a cliffhanger up on the Wall. That’s just my guess though.

    It’s been a pretty uneven season. It’s always hard for good shows to maintain greatness consistently, especially one that is now into its 5th year. I’m not surprised we are starting to see the edges fray a little bit. I’ll still be there on Sunday, and I’ll be curious to see what happens next.
     
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  22. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    To be fair, the WW haven't been around for a significant chunk of time. Even Ned Stark refused to accept they had returned as he cut off the head of the deserter in the pilot episode. The only sightings of WW come from Sam (who nobody respects) and Jon, whose intentions are viewed as suspicious since he joined Mance Rayder and the wildlings. I can buy the fact they don't believe in any of this ****, and think Jon is up to something. The hate just clouds their judgement further.
     
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  23. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Upon reflection of last night's episode, I'm hearing PETA is upset and are planning a naked caged hunger strike.... They aren't striking due to Stannis' daughter being bbq'd (too soon?) or the treatment of the flaming horse, I hear that took more than one go around... rather they are upset at the treatment of Drogon. The spears were horrible enough, but having Dany ride the creature WITHOUT EVEN A SADDLE, was very upsetting to them.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I agree. The Unsullied have looked extremely bad this season.
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    In the book it is worse because some of the people who died become white walkers on the wall.

    Just amazing to me to have so much hate that you can't notice the fact that the undead is out there and going to kill us all.
     
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  26. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    The special effects reminded me of the never ending story lol. Owell, they're doing the best they can haha.
     
  27. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Agree with those of you who say last episode will end with John Snow getting the Julius Caesar treatment. I don't see how it can end any other way. And agree that they have seriously telegraphed the Ollie kid being heavily involved. His conversation with Sam pretty much set it in motion. Just wondering how predictable all this is for those who haven't read the books. Based on just my wife's cluelessness about what's coming, I think the TV only crowd is going to be surprised and angry. And then they can join the rest of us wondering if John Snow survives it.

    Also agree with everyone about how cheesy the dragon special affects got as Dany took to the sky on Drogon. I kinda got a Superman flying in the original movies vibe from that whole scene. Just a weak moment from a show that has been pretty spot on with special affects, but I guess it's still a hard thing melding real actors with CGI.

    At the end of this season the TV show is going to be more than caught up with the books. Disappointing that the show will tell the final story long before the books do, and I worry this will really cheapen the reading experience for me. But I'll still read them if he ever finishes them, which grows more and more unlikely.

    I think we are also going to get some serious spoilers from this last episode. I think we might see the fate of Ramsay Bolton too and that will make for a really action packed finale.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think he is going to survive somehow. In the book I think Shireen is going to be sacrificed to bring him back. On the TV show, I do not know how they are going to do it. GRRM still talks about Jon as if he has a future.
     
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    I agree. I just wonder if it's going to be a real survival in that he survives the wounds and pulls through, or more of what you're suggesting and some kind of Lord of Light resurrection. Which reminds me, as much as the TV show is sprinting ahead of the books, we have seen none of the red priest and Caetlyn Stark's zombie this season. Or did they even zombie her in the last season like they did in the books? I can't remember. Also none of Bran, but I can live without that although I think it may play an important part in the future.
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think Jon is the Lord of Light. At least that is what I thought was suggested by the books. I remember Mellisandre being way more into Jon at this point in the book to the point where it seemed like she was beginning to pull away from Stannis.

    There is too much to cover. The part with The Wall was really abbreviated. The part where Jon becomes the leader of the Nights Watch was one of my favorite parts. It really showed how Sam can be an important person politically. They haven't even sent Sam to the Citadel. Giving Arya's murder she isn't supposed to do to Kingsguard instead of the person who abandons the Nights Watch.

    They haven't showed Lady Stoneheart at all. There is a rumor that she might be there next season. Another person who might show up next season is Coldhands. Which is a weird one to spring so late.
     
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  31. Deerless Dice

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    Spoiler chat ahoy!

    There is no sacrifice required to resurrect by a Red Priest. Thoros didn't need to burn anyone when he brought Dondarrion back after the Hound killed him. if Jon does get shanked this year, he's not going to be brought back until next season. They first have to get Melisandre back to the Castle Black after all. I think likely what happens is Jon learns that Sansa is being held captive by The Boltons, breaks his vows, gets shanked, and wargs into Ghost. His body would be okay until she returns ("fire consumes, cold preserves"), unless they burn it like everyone else's corpse. They will tie this in with Arya's blindness (for killing Trant instead of the gambler) and how she gets around it by warging into the cats, as well as the reintroduction of Bran's storyline
     
  32. Ohio Fanatic

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    I couldn't resist. read all the spoilers with no knowledge of the books. :pity:
     
  33. SICK

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    Damn bro. Bad move.
     
  34. rafael

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    You don't renew a contract for someone who isn't coming back. They just renewed Harington's contract and gave him a raise.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-cast-signs-season-744314

    The principal Thrones actors, who were signed only through six seasons of the show, have completed an extensive renegotiation of their contracts that includes an option for season seven, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

    HBO has ponied up huge raises for seasons five, six and the potential season seven that will make the castmembers among the highest-paid actors on cable TV.

    A seventh season has not been greenlighted but is considered highly likely given Thrones' status as a ratings smash and awards favorite.

    With one of the largest and most diverse ensemble casts on TV, Thrones employs a tiered system to compensate its stars, according to sources. The "A" tier — which includes actors Kit Harington (Jon Snow), Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister), Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister), Emilia Clarke (Daenerys Targaryen) and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Jaime Lannister) — is paid at the highest level. The "A" tier actors are said to have renegotiated their deals in concert.

    The lower-salaried "B" tier — which is said to include co-stars Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell), Sophie Turner (Sansa Stark), Maisie Williams (Arya Stark) and others — is said to be scoring raises as well in exchange for season seven options. A still-lower tier of regular actors will receive much smaller pay increases, according to sources.
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Arya is "B" tier?
     
  36. xDOLPHINSx

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    Thanks for this. I was contemplating reading them as well, but now I see it would just make me disappointed...and sad...like you. You're sacrifice has not been in vain.
     
  37. rafael

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    That surprised me as well. Although as much as I like her character, we've all been complaining how little she's done this season. Maybe she just less important than we thought she'd be.
     
  38. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry. After Sunday book readers and show watchers will all be equally clueless about what will happen.
     
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  39. Paul 13

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    okay, I'm not reading anything here until after the season finale... :shifty:
     
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  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    All of the red priests are different. Just because one person doesn't need sacrifice doesn't mean the other one doesn't. We haven't read Melisandra use the breath of life.

    I agree that Arya is going to be blind at the end of the episode.
     

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