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****The Official 2014-15 NBA Thread****

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by schmolioot, Jul 7, 2014.

  1. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    well........

    Wade in 2009 was LIGHT YEARS better than Melo today....and we also had a good young coach in Spo, to go with Pat...well..and we all know..Pat > Phil.

    But yes..there are similarities.
     
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  2. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It certainly would be sad.

    If the worst happens, what's the big picture?

    Everything has to be on the table at that point, no?

    Trading Bosh and Deng, making Dragic and Whiteside your core, etc.
     
  3. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What can't happen is we can't get caught flat footed again.

    If we can't work this out (which should still be the top priority) then we need to have a plan moving forward.
     
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  4. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    No. You trade Deng for space, and you make Dragic, Whiteside, and Bosh your core, and you add a bigtime FA in 16'.
     
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  5. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wouldn't even need to trade Deng in that scenario, just let him expire.

    Or perhaps you could get an asset for him. 2015 cap space wouldn't be the priority.

    The reason i even brought up bosh is that even at his contract he would have value around the league, like from Houston. I'm sure Morey would still be interested.
     
  6. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Thibs gets a job somewhere, that would be a spot where you could probably make a decent Deng trade.
     
  7. Section126

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    Why do you want Deng to Die?
     
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  8. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Oh ****...
     
  9. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The triangle isnt that intricate, its just that it requires that players be able to play without the ball in their hands and are able to play within an offense instead of having to drive and dish or rely on isolation basketball. Its the complete opposite of "playground style basketball" which is why players now have a hard time adapting to it because they arent taught the basics but its still used mostly at the high school level. There is more emphasis on ball movement, spacing and a sideline triangle set up on the baseline with 2 players on the weak-side. The reason you rarely see it run is because it requires at least 1 back to the basket big on the court at all times which is extremely difficult to find and it probably requires 1-2 others who can fill this role when player A gets in foul trouble or takes a breather.

    You are going to need to establish a post presence from either your PF or C and the other has to be able to play from the weakside elbow so that the spacing works better. This is why you keep hearing players like Marc Gasol to the Knicks because it requires fundamentals over highlight reels. To be honest Im surprised Duncan never ended up in a Triangle because his skill set would have fit it to its very core but I digress. Your wing players (SG and SF) need to be able to play from the corner and the wing because that is where they will be setting up most frequently. Your PG is typically the one setting up on the weakside but it could just as easily be a SG or a SF as long as they can handle the ball. What makes the triangle so difficult to defend besides the basic execution of fundamentals is the spacing which makes trapping and rotating very difficult. Where a freelance motion offense doesn't really have set positions, a triangle has set positions on the court where it asks players to be. Where a PG is typically asked in other offenses to initiate and create offense based on 1-1 play, dribble penetration and setting up for other players, his role in a triangle is merely to initiate offense. There may be instances where the PG is called upon to initiate but its more important he be a good shooter, a tough trait to find in PG's.

    The diagrams in this link give a clearer visual to what I am talking about: http://www.coachesclipboard.net/TriangleOffense.html
    As Craig Hodges said once regarding his thoughts on the Triangle..."I thought I knew how to play basketball. The Triangle is how basketball should be played" FWIW, Hodges now coaches and runs....wait for it....only the triangle.
     
  10. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    LOL

    Hey, desperate times.....
     
  11. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Thanks.

    Wade's not a floor spacer though.

    That's part of the problem here. If Wade had developed a 3 point shot, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be having this discussion and we'd give him the money.
     
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  12. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Does Dragic re-sign if Wade leaves?
     
  13. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wade then was better then Melo today and had done more. I disagree with you on the coaching aspect though. I think Fisher had a transition period in year one because he had never been a coach and had just finished playing. Its not as easy as Jason Kidd made it look the year prior. Plus Fisher had to deal with some, lets say "personalities" in the clubhouse that were not only not running his called plays but not interested in doing so which can certainly sabotage even the best coaches efforts. Looking at you Fin-o for another reason why Smith and Shumpert needed to GTFO.
     
  14. Boik14

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    Hes not right now but hes also at a stage where it would be beneficial for him to become one. It would lengthen his career and be easier on his body. Just a thought.
     
  15. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think he still probably would. Where else is he going to get the max?
     
  16. Serpico Jones

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    Would another team offer him the max? Maybe the Mavericks?
     
  17. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well of course.

    People have been saying that for 5 years.

    If it hasn't happened by now, it's highly unlikely to happen at 34 years old.

    Has any player gone from the low 30's from 3 to the high 30's or low 40's at 34 years old?
     
  18. Section126

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    I am told that Dragic doesn't "GAF" about anybody else except him getting squared away here in Miami.
     
  19. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Dragic could get the max from a lot of teams. Have to imagine the teams on his earlier list - Knicks and Lakers - would. Remember the cap is gonna jump so max deals this offseason are gonna be bargains in 2 years.
     
  20. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    That answers that. Also (as I've trumpeted about KLove) guys almost never ever ever give up Bird Rights.

    But just thought I'd ask about Dragic.
     
  21. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Love is a little different in that he's young enough to either opt in, or take the max with an opt out next year to see what happens.

    Dragic, at 30, may not be in the same position to do that
     
  22. Section126

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    Chris Bosh has made his return to full basketball duties:

    [video=youtube;SDZgEuOEVik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDZgEuOEVik[/video]
     
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  23. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Doesn't surprise me. I'm sure he enjoyed playing with Wade and would like to, but i think he knew his future here would outlast Wade.

    what difference does it make if that future starts next year or in 2 years.

    I still think we'll figure out a way to work this out. If both sides want to be together, you work it out. Go to the basketball equivalent of marriage counseling
     
  24. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ethan tweeting that he'll have more in the next few days but what he's heard is "troubling"

    Also refused to put a percentage guess on the whole thing but said that trust has been lost and that Wade is "serious" about this.

    Oy.
     
  25. Stringer Bell

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    Money. He already has his shoe contract. Nothing left to sacrifice for.

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  26. sports24/7

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    Dragic can get the max elsewhere, but no one can give him the deal Miami can because he's their property.

    How ironic would it be, though, for the Heat to finally give Wade a proper backcourt mate for the first time in his career only for him to leave?
     
  27. Serpico Jones

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    He could really help that team and give a boost to that fanbase. He could easily end up in New York.
     
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  28. Fin-Omenal

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    Hilarious. Its already beginning.
     
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  29. Vertical Limit

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    gabrielle has Business in NY and LA, it doesnt surprise me really. NY is a team that is going nowhere, it would be like Jordan joining the Wizards.
     
  30. Limbo

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    This is surreal.
     
  31. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    :hi5:
     
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    Even if he leaves, the last 4 years were worth it.

    Hell.. the last decade has been pretty damn good for Heat fans. I've blown my sports load with the Heat, the Dolphins have jerked me off just to the edge and left me with blue balls the past 15 years.
     
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  33. Stringer Bell

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    Could have seen it coming from a mile away. When it comes down to it, nobody is giving up millions of dollars for the sake of an NBA team. The idea of taking less money only makes sense if you're guaranteed very deep playoff runs. Could Miami be in that position? They could be very competitive, but I don't think they are going to be penciled in for the Finals for the next few years.

    The reality is that being a mainstay in the conference finals and finals is a huge factor in endorsement money. We are talking about 10+ additional playoff games where you are on TV. Nobody is running ads for NBA players during the Finals unless those players are in the Finals. Dwyane Wade doesn't get that shoe contract if he isn't on a team that is a lock for deep playoff appearances. For all the grief he gets, LeBron made Wade tens of millions of dollars he wouldn't have seen otherwise.

    Can Wade be guaranteed that now if he signs with Miami? If he doesn't opt-out are they the odds on favorite in the EC?

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  34. Desides

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    This entire chain of discussion is going to be pretty hilarious in a month.
     
  35. Section126

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    The annual fist pumpin' followed by suicide inducing depression that Knicks fan regularly engage in? I agree.
     
  36. Section126

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    Boy ............are you in for a shock then..............
     
  37. Rouk

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    For **** sakes I would rather wade play for the min in Cleveland than him going to the knicks. This is the Jason Taylor nightmare all over again.
     
  38. Fin-Omenal

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    Keep your Wade, we have bigger fish to catch.
     
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  39. Section126

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    You mean a tire..or a bullet ridden corpse in the hudson?

    Knicks couldn't score a good free agent with a fist full of Million Dollar bonds and a wagon filled with big booty strippers.
     
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  40. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Do NBA Players talk anymore? Everything is about cryptic pics and Instagram posts?

    First Bosh posts that tweet about looking forward to playing with Goran and D-Wade next season....then this...

    Check this one out:

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