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Game of Thrones - Season 5

Discussion in 'TV, Music and Movies' started by Clark Kent, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I bet
    he's taking Tyrion to Khalessi in Mareen. That's the only queen he recognizes anyway.
     
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  2. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    ^I could see that.
     
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  3. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    To be fair, the show really hasn't done a great job of portraying Stannis and his virtues. I feel like they've made him more power hungry and sometimes irrational, when he's probably the most just of any of the potential rulers. No one wants him as their king because he's unwilling to compromise morality and integrity. He's by no means perfect, and I don't agree with his more conservative views, but he's consistent.





    Also, I've refrained from posting anything in this thread because I saw the first four episodes a month ago. After you all catch up, I'll go into more detail about my thoughts on this season.
     
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  4. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    D&D really dislike Stannis, and it's very obvious. The plotline changes to his story don't do him any favors, either, particularly replacing Edric Storm with Gendry and having Davos send Gendry away instead of Stannis doing the right thing and not executing Gendry/Edric.

    But Stannis is supposed to get character development this season, supposedly, so we'll see.
     
  5. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well he got some last night, with his chat with Shireen.

    Jon Snow has to be the luckiest/unluckiest man in all of Westeros.
     
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    So did grey worm die?
     
  7. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think so because of the cliffhanger ending. I'm more worried about Selmy personally.

    Cersei is a complete moron to arm the Faith Militant the way she did. I had to re watch the scene to make sure I didn't miss any important dialogue.
     
  8. Claymore95

    Claymore95 Working on it... Club Member

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    Cersei always thinks she's great at playing the GoT, but again and again we've seen that she doesn't really think 2, 3, 4, etc steps ahead like the best "players" do. Arming a bunch of religious fundamental nutjobs, not much that could go wrong there...especially in a medieval setting!
     
  9. Fin D

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    Yeah, I wonder how they feel about incest.
     
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  10. SICK

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    Adam and Eve will allow it!





    lol not to get off topic. This has been rather slow. However, I have a theory, and honestly I've never read the books or any spoilers;
    but it just smells like Snow is def. a Stark, and most absolutely not a bastard. I think Stannis knows something we don't. Snow is either Barathean/Ned's sister's son, or the Taragrean king raped Neds sister, and Jon Snow was their baby. Either way, he's the rightful king if that's the case. And him being Khaleesi's older brother would be cool!

    Spoiler in case you're not caught up. And please, if you've read the books or know if thats true or not, do not spoil in your replies.
     
  11. Fin D

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    [video=youtube;-f_DPrSEOEo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f_DPrSEOEo[/video]
     
  12. SICK

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    So you're sayin theres a chance?
     
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  13. Fin D

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    I'm saying that theory has been around since book one for the readers and episode one for the watchers. You're not clever. You're not special. You should be ashamed of yourself. You're a bad person who probably smells.

    Seriously, The equation "RT + LS = JS" is a thing. And if true, it probably wasn't rape....

    In truth, you probably smell great. The other stuff is probably true though.
     
  14. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    I AM SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Sorry I missed it, my wife thought I was a genius last night after watching it, and I got a dry hand job out of it! SO WHO IS CLEVER NOW?!?!?!





















    *Weeps*
     
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  15. Fin D

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    Well, even your family will tell you, as great as your wife is, she's always had a problem with poor judgment.
     
  16. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    You're right, they tell me that all the time!!!






    wait.......
     
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  17. Fin D

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    You know what this means...right?








































    I'm your father.
     
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  18. SICK

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    That explains the pale complexion, small *****, and big round nipples.....Thanks a lot, Pops!
     
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  19. Desides

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    I don't understand how a show with this budget and this much time to fill keeps cutting important content and keeps consolidating storylines and merging characters together.
     
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  20. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Because GRRM went off the rails with adding tons of additional content and characters to a planned trilogy, that now requires 7 books. Let's be honest. GRRM is likely dead before the book series is finished. GoT as a TV show is likely wrapped up before he releases the next book. The fact that he can't release a new book until a decade has passed should be explanation enough. GoT has an aim for seven seasons, not the 12-13 that it would require to stay completely true to GRRM's books. Had he kept each book in tune with the original GOT book, the show wouldn't have to do what he should of done. Trim the fat. Personally, I'm liking what GoT S5 is doing in terms of story alterations for the most part. A few complaints that I won't bring up since this thread is book spoiler-free, but overall I'm liking it. There's too many characters and too many stories as it is.


    Episode 5 thoughts:

    1. Sad to see Selmy is dead. I figured he would make a miraculous recovery. I always liked the character. I wish we could of seen him extrapolate more on Dany's ancestors and give her guidance in regards to the other houses of Westeros. He was the thread that kept her attached to her past and potential future. Like Maester Amen says, she's now all alone. I guess, they're making way for Tyrion, as Dany needs counsel from someone. As far as being her Hand of the Queen goes, there's no one better.

    2. GoT always does a great job of pairing up characters for storylines. Tyrion and Jorah are an odd couple archetype that could turn out amazing on TV. And now that Jorah has "freed" Tyrion, I'm very curious to see what GoT does with the two of them. I also like Jaime and Bronn pairing. I missed them in this episode. I want more Dorne, especially King Doran.

    3. Interesting that Stannis and co. were bringing up White Walkers... With Jon heading out to fetch the Wildlings, I'm wondering if we'll catch another glimpse soon...

    4. I wonder how long it's going to take for Reek/Theon to spill the beans to Sansa about her two brothers being alive. Rickon is still out there too. My guess, is that Brienne will somehow get in touch with her, as she mentioned during the early part of the episode. And she will prove to Sansa that she is faithful and trustworthy by recovering Rickon and bringing him into the fold. What else is she going to do now that both girls have turned her away?

    5. Valyria! I absolutely hate that Tyrion and Jorah's exploration of Valyria was so short. When Tyrion mentions getting a present for Dany, I figured they would explore a bit too. They could of spent another 10-20 minutes talking about it's history, doom, etc... for my liking. Such mysterious and interesting history. Some of the best in GoT, IMO. Looks like the Dragoon has gone home for a bit... I wonder if that is significant in some way, or if his appearance was for Tyrion more than anything.

    6. Ramsey is a kinky freak... Probably the creepiest villain of the entire show. That conversation with his father about his birth was both funny (in a, they don't have any idea how creepy they both are kind of way) and sad. Now Ramsey has motivation to turn it up a notch... Interesting.

    7. A three way is needed with Dany and her interpreter. So hot...

    Good episode. Needed more Jaime, Bronn, and Arya, but still good w/o them.
     
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  21. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    GRRM has nothing to do with the elimination of Jon Connington and the merging of his role with Jorah Mormont, or the elimination of Wyman Manderly, or the rewrite that Stannis has more men and strength than Roose Bolton, etc etc. (Show-only people: I'm not spoiling anything, you aren't going to see these characters, and I've said nothing about their roles that hasn't already aired on TV.) These are show inventions meant to gloss over detail, save money by keeping the cast smaller, and reduce the amount and length of storylines.

    Again: I don't understand why a show that has this much air time to fill, and is only halfway through its run according to HBO, needs to chop this much material. We've lost at least 3 claimants for the Iron Throne just due to character consolidation and editing.

    And where the hell did the Ironborn go?

    Depends on who you ask. HBO wants 10 seasons. According to them, we're at the halfway point.
     
  22. Deerless Dice

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    The Ironborn already got their own show, it's on the History Channel. If Reek is able to escape by the end of this season it wouldn't shock me to see them show up next season. We may need more antagonists depending on how Stannis' siege of Winterfell goes.

    Very sad about Belmy, but he was old and only a shell of his former glory. He wasn't built to be an advisor, so it's better for Dany that they cleared the table for Tyrion to take over. Dany's reaction to Selmy's death was metal. Drogon flying through Valyria was awesome. Dany's hamfister marriage proposal of Hizdahr made no sense at all.
     
  23. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    HBO wants 10 seasons, but will do what D&D want. Which is 7.
    If the show drags its feet, people will lose interest. A Feast for Crows/ADWD is case and point. Two massive books, taking place at the same time, having to exclude major POV characters, to make way for Martin to introduce tons of new characters and plot lines. Both books (which are really one story), turned off a lot of the fan base. Obviously the show runners D&D wanted to clean it all up and trim unnecessary story lines. I'm totally fine with the rewrites, as long as D&D know how to tie them altogether with the ending. I'm not going to extrapolate further about other characters since I don't know what D&D are planning as far as future storylines and characters go.
     
  24. finsfandan

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    Please fill me in on the equation. A friend and I are speculating that Jon Snow is of a royal blood line. We haven't read the books, just seen the TV series.
     
  25. texanphinatic

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    Out of curiosity, what cuts are you against? I miss the Greyjoy line (they interest me), but aside from them I don't really see anything major.
     
  26. Desides

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    Hiding this stuff behind spoiler tags just in case.

    Big, major, WTF cuts:
    Aegon/Young Griff
    Jon Connington/Griff
    Euron Greyjoy
    Arianne Martell

    WTF cuts:
    Lady Stoneheart
    Willas and Garlan Tyrell
    Vale storyline
    Oldtown storyline totally removed
    Golden Company's invasion removed
    Wyman Manderly/Rickon Stark

    That's not counting the numerous streamlines and changes to the storylines that are still in, like Jamie, Brienne, etc.

    I'm really, really trying not to be the guy who complains that the adaptation is not 100% accurate to the letter of the source, but I just don't see why major stuff is being cut and droll stuff is being created to replace it, especially the filler nudity. It's self-defeating.

    I think you're misinterpreting the perception of AFFC and ADWD.

    AFFC is the least well liked of the five books because it took 5 years to write as a follow-up to the action-packed ASOS (Season 3, TV watchers) and delivered, well, future plot setup instead of current plot development. It's well respected as an entry in the series, but it was considered a letdown because people waited 5 years for it.

    ADWD is really well liked, I'm not sure where you get the idea that it turned people off. The 6 year wait for it turned people off, the book itself is considered almost as good as ASOS—and would likely have been considered better than ASOS if the originally planned ending events had been included.
     
  27. texanphinatic

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    I agree with Euron, if only because of the dragon-horn. It seems to be an important plot device, but I suppose they can sub in something else that helps Dani regain control of the dragons. Lady Stoneheart seems like an odd cut, especially with the prominence of the Brienne storyline. I think they can still work in Oldtown.

    The rest I think are fine as cuts. I don't really see the need/point of Faegon and Connington in the books. They pop up out of nowhere and just start doing stuff - meh. Plus, having another full blooded Targaryen many (including myself) think diminishes the focus on Dani. Arianne is basically Oberyn's girl now. Considering its a new actress and everything, I don't see why they didn't just keep that in, but it again is not really a big loss. The Wyman thing could be coming later as well. In the books I don't see him as being important enough to warrant a big leadup either. Hell, just have Stannis find Rickon or something.

    Overall, I get most of the changes. They don't want to be too wide spread. TV generally needs to be kept tighter and have less characters, and GoT already is burgeoning. I just want to see Hotah kick some butt, Dani to finally get the hell out of Mereen, Ramsay to get killed and something good happen to a Stark.
     
  28. Two Tacos

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    Lady stoneheart is going to be such a big WTF moment for the show that if they do it, I cannot see the reveal being anything but either this seasons cliff hanger, or the first episode of next. It seems too important of a plot point to leave out.

    Skip this post if you're not up to date on the books.
     
  29. Vengeful Odin

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    I get where you're coming from, as I've read all the books. However, keep in mind this isn't necessarily a show for someone who has read all the books. For example, my wife (who is must assuredly not a book reader) has already complained about the multiple storylines and threads she has to keep track of. Even with the changes that D&D have put in place, Game of Thrones remains one of the most storyline dense shows on TV. We have anywhere from 8 to 10 disparate story threads to keep track of on a weekly or biweekly basis - and that's with some characters (Arya) only being checked on every other episode or so, and others (Bran) being ignored entirely. I think adding some of those threads you mention above could really slow down the established pace of the series.
     
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  30. Desides

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    The thing about AFFC and ADWD is that they start bringing characters together, so the storyline amount reduces significantly when you have characters intersecting and sharing scenes. The story changes to the TV show have spread characters further apart, eliminating some characters while having others repeat their actions. I understand consolidation, but a lot of the changes are counterproductive.

    I will put my foot down on one thing: Valyria should have been a smoking, volcanic ruin, not a forested abandoned aqueduct.
     
  31. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Already half way through the season. Sad. Episode 5 was great and it was followed up with another great episode. As always, GoT seems to start slow and build up wonderfully. These last few episodes have been helped by cutting characters out of episodes, thus not bouncing around too much, which seemed to be a weakness earlier in the season.

    Episode 6 commentary:

    - Mr. Eko on GoT? Cool. Tyrion using his mouth to figure a way out of imminent danger is always fun to watch. Especially when he's dealing with people far dumber than he is (Shagga, the Vale Jailer, etc...) Apparently, also has a third leg. This little group of characters all mixed together shows promise. Jorah's speech about Dany reminded me of how much I can't wait for Tyrion to get to Dany (if he does, which I assume he will). That's going to be the best pairing yet. I assume she won't do as he thinks, and cut his head off.

    - Where's Vary's? Last we saw him, he was looking around for Tyrion. I imagine he'll pop up again, just don't really know in what capacity. Speaking of Vary's, his counterpart, Littlefinger was in fine form tonight. I don't know the quote verbatium, but I did love his jab at Lancel Lannister and his faith being a less entertaining fantasy. It appears we're seeing some of his plan in action. Let Roose Bolton and Stannis fight it out, weaken them up a bit. Regardless of who wins, he still has Sansa (secretly) in his pocket and is now Warden of the North. Or will be... Cersei said she'd speak to the King, but she's in charge anyway...

    - Sansa was looking fine tonight... And her new found attitude was impressive. She's getting tougher and more jaded. Which is good. That's the gamesmanship needed to play the Game of Thrones. The end sequence was tough to watch. Much like Dany, she married unwillingly and was... raped? Is that the right word? Maybe 'non consensual consented sex' is a better way to phrase it? I was hoping Theon would grow (back) some balls and do something, but nope. Hopefully Sansa learned something from Margery about manipulating men to save herself some pain. Given that Tywin was going on about Tyrion handling business with Sansa to get her pregnant, and Cersei pointing how that she'll hate Joffery, but love his children, I wonder if a baby Stark is on the way?

    - Speaking of Theon... Probably one of the most hated characters on the show after what he's done. Much like Jaime, he might do the impossible and find redemption of sorts. Obviously, they're setting up a plot in which he does something heroic and helps Sansa. Which begs the question, how much lower and creepier will Ramsey have to sink before Theon snaps? That's an interesting and scary thought.

    - Jaime and Bronn are back! The duo's screen time was short, but eventful. And now that they're captured (along w/the Sand Snakes), I hope we'll finally get a better view of Doran and his ruling style and abilities. But what happens to Jaime (I assume Bronn will be OK)? Doran doesn't appear to want to break the alliance w/the Lannisters as he won't hurt Marcella... But now he's got a more... expendable piece on his game board in Jaime. I'm very excited to see this unfold.

    - Cersei has the best smug face on the show atm. Her face is totally punchable like his, but she's hot, so it's kind of appealing in an angry sex kind of way. Unlike Joffery who was protected by family, his crown, and Tywin specifically (no one wanted to F with him if they could help it), Cersei is performing without a net. She has no true allies (unbeknownst to her) and Jaime is currently in Dorne's custody. The Sparrow leader guy, makes it pretty clear that the Crown has no authority to side step the laws of god and the faith of the seven. And she just allowed them to weaponize. I can't help but wonder if Littlefinger takes advantage of this in some way.

    - Arya has one of the most interesting storyline of all. Arya's story isn't about the Game of Thrones, which makes it more appealing in that it's different. While it hasn't progressed much yet, I'm fascinated by the faceless men and their ways. But I don't want to lose Massie, the actress who plays Arya. As of now, she's not giving up her identity so easily. Good news.
     
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    Great? I thought it was terrible - far and away the weakest of the season so far. The Sansa rape scene was pretty bad all on its own. It just wasn't needed, and was a really bad way to take the character. Having the emphasis be on Theon too was really just dumb. It left me with a really sour taste in my mouth. Very similar to the Theon torture scenes really - again just unnecessary. You can easily show Ramsay being an asshat without resorting to the rape card. Shallow and just ugly. Two thumbs down. And seriously, just give me some comuppance already. I want to see Ramsay get a knife through his throat. They are dragging some of these plots on too long, especially Ramsay. I don't see what he is bringing to the table. Roose is the one that will fight Stannis. Ramsay is just some insane caricature of a person. I am sick of him and story. I was already sick ages ago. Having him just keep on being an utter lunatic and ****head is too much. End it. Have Brianne come riding in with some Stark-loyal rebels and end it.

    Even ontop of that however, what the hell was up with the Dorne scenes? I know TV needs to condense, but you really expect me to believe Jamie and Bronn show up at just the same time as the Sand Snakes? That's insanity. Poorly planned and the execution also poor. Fighting with a whip and daggers? Really? Bronn should have smoked them. That he did not was not credible in the least. And dear god if they are implying he was poisoned at the end, I will cut a *****. Also, can I see Areo actually, I dunno, DO SOMETHING other than stand there bragging about how he can still use the axe? He pretty easily dispatched a Kings Guard in the books, but so far just kind of spins at Jamie who clearly is not a threat. Doran too, please just do something other than sit there. In the books he is being set up as a master plotter along the lines of Tywin, Olenna and Littlefinger. In the show he is a nobody.

    Desides mentioned some cut characters - one that stands out as not being in the show that played a fairly large bit in the books are the Kettleblacks. They were essentially the reason that Cersei got herself in trouble with the Faith. I wonder who will spill the beans on this one. Olyver has no real connection, and if Lancel was the means, then he should have already spilled the beans.

    And Arya? Blergh. Hey, watch me wash dead people for two whole episodes! Oh gee, now I'm lying to some little girl too get her to kill herself, fun! Oh my, FACES! ON THE WALL! HOW UNEXPECTED! Oh btw, Arya, you can't actually BE Arya anymore, go be someone else.

    Really the ONLY thing I enjoyed was Tyrion and Jorah. I want to see where that goes. Man, it started that episode off so well, and then things just went to ****. I really hope this season picks things up. I felt this is where the books started to grind down and wear a bit. The show is starting to do the same. I feel it is has been quite weak comparatively.
     
  33. Deerless Dice

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    That Tyrion and Jorah scene

    T: Your father was a great leader, knew the stories of all his soldiers
    J: How did my father die?
    T: Mutiny
     
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    Little Finger's jab at Cersei literally made me lol so damn hard.
     
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    [video=youtube;1URvDyzh8uI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URvDyzh8uI[/video]
     
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    Ep 5:

    The perpetually outraged crowd is welcome to bail from the show. That ending scene wasn't nearly as bad as it was in the books, and I hesitate to call it rape, as it doesn't quite fit the definition. I like how all this violence happens to men, but you get a rather disturbing sex scene and suddenly it's the worst show ever. Consistency!

    I have no idea what is going on with the Dorne rewrites. The budget-cutting rewrites result in such silly stuff. Let me get this straight, Obara Sand really thinks that she needs to declare who she is to her uncle's friggin' head of security? And all the Sand Snakes thought that wearing hoods would make them anonymous? Here's a guide to figuring out whether content is rewritten: Does the content make logical sense? If no, then it's a rewrite.

    Why are we spending so much time on Arya doing the same things over and over? Those sections are so boring.

    Are there actually merchants dedicated solely to dwarf dongs?

    Sigh.
     
  37. Paul 13

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    Personally... I think the show has been a little slow this season. Again, I still love it, but the buildup to the attack on Winterfell has taken six episodes. I mean I'm curious as hell how that is going to end up. There's been some foreshadowing though. Brienne saying what she did and all. Prediction:

    Stannis' army takes out the Boltons. Then Brienne sneaks her way in to kill Stannis?

    Littlefinger's voice though kind of makes me giggle... I mean when he's whispering, which is all the time, it's over-acting right? It's like he's doing an Irish Sean Connery... oh wait Aidan Gillen (actor name) is Irish isn't he? hah... well then there it is.

    It's great to see Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow. He usually plays the villain though, but I think he's a decent actor regardless.

    Speaking of acting... was sad to see Mance Rayder go... the actor that plays him is great, Ciaran Hinds... he was great in the movie Munich. So many actors who have long filmographys... tells you how great the show is that it can bring them in.

    Gone off on a tangent... anyway, back to my original thought... slow season... You've got Jorah and Tyrion taking forever to get to Dany. And now we know Jorah is not long for this world, probably. Which is a bit of a letdown.

    Arya taking forever to do her thing... whatever that is... is it me or does "Many Face God" sound like "Man Who Faced God" when Jaqen H'ghar says it. So, now she's supposed to pick a face out of the... the... whatever that is... and that becomes her new face? And she's a bit small to have a grown up face... maybe she'll become a midget :lol:
     
  38. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    So are book readers. The Battle of Winterfell was supposed to occur at the end of the 5th book. It was moved to the start of the 6th, along with another major event.

    Don't know where D&D got this "Stannis has more men than the Boltons" thing. He has 3000 men in the book.
     
  39. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I think that some of it is due to the fact of not just that it happened, but that it happened to a major character that we've grown attached to. I thought it went to far, but maybe I'm old fashioned.

    I agree with you on Dorne. It's been one of the biggest letdowns of the season and series thus far. I read somewhere that the location that they used to film Dorne in would only allow them to film ther for a week. So that unit really had to hustle to get everything that they needed in a tiny timeframe. Which begs the question - why use it in the first place? Or at least do some interior filming so that you can improve the fight sequences, at least. And the acting - good lord it's hammy. If the Sand Snakes were men they'd be one step away from twirling their moustaches.

    I'm actually enjoying this particular story thread. It's paced a little bit slow but that may be intetional, to get you to feel like Arya does.

    I'm not sure about this one. Let me get my guy who's an expert on **** merchantry. Paul ... ?
     
  40. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    don't make me post that Louis CK video regarding sucking a bag of *****...
     

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