I never said your numbers were inaccurate. I am saying that there is more to look at than those stats when it comes to evaluating those two players. I happen to think THILL is a very promising prospect. I do not think trying to say his numbers make him as good as Tom Brady is a good argument to make.
Actually your first statement is incorrect. People did say it was a bad game by luck. They questioned his big game ability, and that is still something that remains to be seen with Luck! You can see he is not the same QB in the playoffs.... but atleast he gets his team there. And LOL at your second statement. The best half any quarterback played all year. God do you sound like a homer. It's not that he isn't a franchise QB because he hasn't been the playoffs. He's not a franchise QB because: He has no pocket awareness, and has shown no improvement over the years. Checks down on every 3rd down (defenses know this and force him to do it over and over). Can't hit the deep ball (defenses don't even cover it anymore, and just muddy up the middle of the field) When it's a big game, or playoffs are on the line, he is a very below average QB who tinkles down his leg. These things should be figured out by now. Luck and Wilson have no problem.
It's not everyone but marino sucks. It's I don't agree with paying this guy big money, long term. It's going to set us back years and years and years. I'm tired of being a non-playoff team. And that's exactly what we will be with this guy. Tannehill is the definition of a slightly above average QB in todays nfl.
I don't think your being fair about him. Saying he is as good as Brady this early is way premature but it's equally premature to say he is done progressing or declaring he will not progress beyond mediocrity. There is a other to like about his game and it will be interesting to see what he fixes this of season. the big problem with him is how he is developing slowly and figuring out what kind of money to offer him. If he learns how to extend plays with a side step here or there, scrambles for a first to kept a drive alive, etc... I think he is worth the numbers being tossed around in this thread. If he can only win with solid players at every other position than the team resources will need to be a located to those positions and he will Ned to accept a modest salary or they will Ned to move on without him.
At the same point in their careers, I'd say RT is better. He's had to deal with MUCH more on his plate compared to Marcia, and did markedly better. Brady was in a dream situation...RT's been in dysfunction, with a gutless HC. He was a few "key" drops, last year, from really killing it...but that doesn't matter 'cuz they're just incompletions. He slightly improved from 12 to 13...bigger improvement from 13 to 14 (whilst learning a new offensive system)...I can't wait to see how he does in 2015. 2nd year in the system, more confidence about running the ball (slightly more, but I'll take it), solid group of receivers, at least one, possibly two more before camp. I'm stoked.
I, of course, never accused you of saying my numbers were inaccurate. I took exception to you saying I cherry picked, when those were the ENTIRE stat line. Secondly, I said numerous times he produced like Brady and he did. That is inarguable, their stats are nearly identical. I don't much care if you don't like that fact or it seems crazy to you, because it happened, its there in black & white. It means in all likelihood, had Tanny played for the Pats exactly at the level he did for us, they still would have went to the SB. Again, doesn't matter if you don't like it, it is what it is.
I called Canton, they already have a spot for his bust and started construction on it back when he was drafted. They are planning on unveiling after he has his first wining season.
Not sure there's a better recent example of homerism than 'Tom Brady and Ryan Tannehill are interchangeable.' I'm guessing if you asked that question to 100 non-Phin fans, at least 95 of them would say no way in hell. Here's how they stack up on third down: Ryan Tannehill: 84/148 - 883yds - 57%comp - 5.9ypa - 5TD - 3INT - 10sacks - 77.1 passer rating Tom Brady:......88/145 - 1,041yd - 61%comp - 7.18ypa -10TD -3int - 8sacks - 96.9 passer rating 3rd or 4th & 3-8yds Tanny: 47/77 - 554yds - 94.8 passer rating Brady: 55/86 - 658yds - 105.6 3rd or 4th & 9+ Tanny: 29/58 - 290yds - 50.2 passer rating Brady: 30/50 - 349yds - 86.2
And yet, there the numbers are staring you in the face. Last year, their production was nearly identical. You can keep making ignorant jokes all you want, by here's a thought, why not try refuting what I'm saying with actual numbers or real facts? Which one? The 18 year old impressed with Bob Evans or the married one who lets you post pictures of her privates on a football forum?
I'm guessing if you asked 100 non phin fans if they wanted Tannehill to be their QB either right now or after their current QB is gone they'd say yes. Yes, the 3rd down numbers are different. That is also when the defense would t-up on our horrible offensive line. I'll ask again, if we had the Pats oline, would we have made the playoffs?
You can't make that assumption. Moral of the story: Brady shows up when you need him to, and Tannehill does not. That's the difference between these two qbs and why one didn't make the playoffs, and the other won the superbowl.
the fact he is developing slowly says it all. QB's don't develop slowly anymore. It's a passing league. Slow progression is a trademark of a guy who isn't the franchise QB.
Or it's the trademark of a guy who was drafted highly for his potential. Tannehill played at a level putting him in the top 11-15 last year. I think that's really good for our third year guy, in a brand new system. I've said it before, I want to see him take the next step this season. I expect him to play at least like he did for the last 2/3 of the season last season. If he does just that, we have zero issues at QB. If he makes another jump, and plays better than he did for the last 2/3 of last season, we'll have a superstar on our hands. '
I'm not worried about him developing slowly. We've seen QBs in this league put together good runs and improve their fundamentals later into their careers. The fact that he is still growing as a player intrigues me all the more.
Not only does he need to make a jump. he needs to prove he can perform in big games. He has yet to do that. He can put up all the stats in the word, but if he is going to fall apart in big games, I'll pass.
The patriots offensive line hasn't been great or elite in years. Teams like the jets,Giants, Ravens usually own them every year. Brady makes them look better than they actually are so to his quick release
First of all, you aren't even slightly qualified to make a claim like this as if it's "THE LAW". It's blatantly wrong and you have absolutely ZERO information/substance/evidence to back it up (or any other anti-Tannehill bs you push in every thread, for that matter). You're part of the "Just cuz" crowd. And the best part is that You think Tannehill is comparable to Henne.... Which pretty much reveals the extent of your knowledge on the position. QB 1: 305/503 60% comp. 3,241 yards 13 TDs 14 INTs Rating 76.5 QB 2: 392/590 66% comp. 4,045 yards 27 TDs 12 INTs Rating 92.8 These are both QBs on their most recent (full) seasons played (henne had 15 games). According to you, We cannot tell which one of these is Tannehill and which one of these is Henne... LOL. The best part about it is that you can literally compare ANY of their years side by side and see they aren't even in the same UNIVERSE as quarterbacks..... I'm embarrassed for you, for even thinking this. Now to rip from FinD's post, here's 2 more quarterbacks.... [TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500"] [TR="bgcolor: #009ca5"] [TD]PLAYER[/TD] [TD]COMP[/TD] [TD]ATT[/TD] [TD]PCT[/TD] [TD]YDS[/TD] [TD]YDS/A[/TD] [TD]LONG[/TD] [TD]TD[/TD] [TD]INT[/TD] [TD]SACK[/TD] [TD]RATE[/TD] [TD]YDS/G[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]X [/TD] [TD]373[/TD] [TD]582[/TD] [TD]64.1[/TD] [TD]4109[/TD] [TD]7.06[/TD] [TD]69[/TD] [TD]33[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]21[/TD] [TD]97.4[/TD] [TD]257[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Y [/TD] [TD]392[/TD] [TD]590[/TD] [TD]66.4[/TD] [TD]4045[/TD] [TD]6.86[/TD] [TD]50[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]46[/TD] [TD]92.8[/TD] [TD]253[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Holy ****. These seem A HELLUVA LOT closer than your nonsense comparison of Thill to Henne, don't they? FFS These stats are borderline CLONES of each other when you apply the sack differential to it all....... Ironic that one of them just won the Superbowl and the other is our QB. But, I digress. Yes let's trust the QB guru who says Tannehill is progressing 'slowly' so that means 'he's bad'.... There is even a thread (top 3 on this board) completely disproving this nonsense by comparing his first 3 years to some of the other greats around this league and it shows him to be progressing VERY well and to be right on track to a great career.........GASP! You are literally NO WHERE TO BE FOUND ON THAT THREAD. Avoided it like the plague eh? The irony. But hey, why bother listening to reason and facts laid out in front of you countless amounts of times.
Oh cool, they gave up 100+ sacks in 2 years? No wait, they didn't. We lead the NFL. Glad we could clear that up.
Everything but sacks, and probably TD% and INT%. TD% and INT% vary from year to year. So I hesitate to put too much weight on it. But if I'm being as objective as I can be, I think Tannehill might be due to regress a bit on INTs next year. And that might not be a bad thing necessarily. It could just be that he's becoming more confident and will take more chances, especially losing late in games. Brady's already at that level and still tends to limit INTs. And the sacks, I think Tannehill has a ways to go before he manages the pocket the way Brady can. Though I didn't think of this until now, but Tannehill is much better running with the ball. That could help offset their difference in production and bring it closer together.
As good as our OL was at times in Marino's career, his lightning release was what separated him from other QBs and ultimately made him one of the greatest of all time. Those same ****ing MAULERS couldn't get a RB to 1000 yds to save their souls...
He can't differentiate between Tannehill and Henne, FFS. That is literally the only reason he even mentions 'checkdowns' in the first place, because in his mind he has convinced himself they are similar QBs. You're better off talking a wall at this point.
yea I've watched a Seahawks game. My two most memorable are the 2 superbowls he's already played in. While Tannehill hasn't even sniffed the playoffs.
Yes to both. Even the Ravens know they overpaid Flacco, because he strung 3 good games together and road the defense to get him to the playoffs. Yes - Romo is the reason that the Cowboys will not win a superbowl with him at the helm. I wouldn't want either on this team. I'd rather keep searching.
Chad Henne has more intereceptions than touchdowns. also, why wouldn't you continue to the next 16 games because Tannehill starts to blow him out of the water.
Tannehill also doesn't have the best defense in the league. Of course that has nothing to do with going to the superbowl twice.
You really don't know what the **** you're talking about. Henne best statistical year was last year with a 80.7 rating. His QB ratings are as follows: 74, 75.2, 75.4, 79, 72.2, 76.5, 80.7 Also, Henne was a four year starter in college while Tannehill was not. Oh and before I forget< I'm still waiting for some proof you've posted anything other than Tannehill hate since you've been a member.
Look up their first 32 games. Same QB. I'm glad you guys want to hitch your wagon to a QB that poops his pants any time there is a big game. Garuntee this guy never wins a superbowl. I'm not even sure he will make the playoffs. FinD loves to talk about Brady. If we had Brady on this team last year, we probably would have been 11-5 and made a run in the playoffs. They had similar stats. But Brady puts it together when the game is on the line and when the playoffs are on the line. Tannehill racks up stats against teams like the Raiders.
henne switched teams, had to learn a new offense. Support cast is very weak. You know... the same excuses you use for Tannehill.
What in the hell do you think ratings are figured from? You truly have no idea what in the hell you're talking about.
Hahahahahahahahaha. QB ratings! Henne: 74 75 75 79 72 76 80 RTH: 76 81 92. Literally 100% incorrect and a laughable notion. It's actually comedic that Chad Henne, in 7 years of the NFL has never broken higher than 80 QBR. Yet Tannehill has spanked, not only Henne's first 3 years, but has also spanked Hennes entire CAREER with his first 3 seasons. How about let's compare the first 2 years of future (probable) Hall of famers and current top-tier QBs in the NFL to the first 2 years of Tannehill. OH RIGHT YOU DIDN'T READ THAT THREAD, DID YOU? It's already been done. you're wrong. again.
Too bad one of them has been progressing. A lot..... and one of them stopped being able to use that excuse after 7 years of 75 QB rating.
No one is admitting defeat. Its just that you're infuriating with your goalpost moving. You use playoffs as an indicator of QB talent, then say that's not true, then go right back to it. THAT jumping around and scrambling is the sign of defeat.
