NE has YAC receivers Miami does not. NE has 3 receivers in the top 40 in YAC, Vareen too is in the top 40. That's 4 targets in the top 40 in the league in YAC. Miami only had Landry. I'd say his targets helped Brady just as much as he helped them.
Dont use the word bias and then say Tannehill plays like Brady. Look attheir fourth quarter numbers. Look at their fourth quarter winning percentage. One is top in the league the other is bottom five. One had a 100 rating the other has an 80. One has 10/2 td/int the other has 5/3. You are delusional. Brady has a body of work that shows success, if tannehill has a worse year this year no one should be surprised.
Brady has benefited greatly from a great defense his entire career. I think Brady might be the GOAT, but that just goes to show how important the TEAM is, even to an all-time great. When it comes to 4th quarter comebacks, we should not discount the affect that Brady's confidence in his defense and his offensive line/receivers factors in, nor should we discount that he's been in the league for over a decade.
Read the post you quoted. I said he produces almost exactly like Brady. He does, I showed the proof. 4th quarter wins/comebacks is a team stat. That's also been proven. You are the one that is delusional if you think those 4th quarter numbers are all on the QB.
Well, on the comeback issue.. one could argue Tannehill had more opportunities than Brady, so %-wise Brady would still be better (but all this is actually getting away from the stats themselves). And the WR thing is an opinion only yes, but one shared by a lot of commentators. My main point is that those QB stats (or even WR stats) are not measuring the ability of the QB (WR) alone, so it's hard to know just from the stats who's responsible for what.
Cherry pick stats? Its an entire stat line. You act like he said they were "in the same vicinity of TDs so they're the same".....dude put like 9 stats strung together, all similar....that's not even remotely close to "cherry picking" I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.
My primary argument is that you have to go "eyeball" here: the QB stats are also "team" stats. That we have different opinions is fine.
Can't believe we are going to pay Henne 2.0. Our man trickles down his leg when the playoffs are on the line. He might poop his pants in his first playoff game (if we ever get there with him), since we should have been there twice but Tannehill gave it away both times.
Ross can take the heat, hes the owner....keeps bad press off a fairly new exec with the franchise. Makes sense.
Agreed, but my point is and has been they produced almost exactly the same. That mean the major difference in record is on some other entity than Tannehill/passing game(sans oline), because clearly those numbers are good enough to win a Super Bowl. The biggest discrepancies between the two teams is oline & defense. So when wondering why the Pats are better, the discussion shouldn't be QB because again, our QB produced near identical numbers, but where the actual real differences lie....and that's defense and oline.
Can you quote one of your 106 posts that doesn't **** on Tanny? I ask because I don't believe you have any.
This line of thinking is crazy to me. So he helps put up 36 points on the Broncos.....the defense can't stop dick.....and somehow we're gunna pay the individual on a game where hes not responsible for 2/3 the outcome? (special teams/defense).....everyone caught up on winning and stuff don't realize he can't sack Peyton Manning or tackle Anderson when he's running draw plays up Koa Misi's chest for 30 yards and a touchdown. No agent would let them pay him per playoff win, since this isnt Tennis or Golf.
How much of Tannehill's 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives are due to other factors and not him?
Henne 2.0? Shouldnt be surprises by your lack of football knowledge or your lack of imagination, yet I read this and shook my head at both.
Yeah, I agree the problem isn't the QB, and we should bet on Tannehill being our franchise QB. However, I still think Brady is better than Tannehill at a few things, most importantly his ability to get the win at the end of the game.
Right...I don't think anyone disagrees with this statement. Brady is better, but that doesn't mean that Tannehill won't get there, nor does it invalidate the overall stats that Tannehill put up last season that were on par with Brady. Clearly, I'd like to see Tannehill play better in the fourth...but, I also believe that better play from one or both the defense and offensive line would see Tannehill's 4th quarter play improve...that, along with Tannehill continuing to mature as an NFL QB.
But we do. 4th quarter comeback wins don't mean anything for a QB. The stat should be about 4th quarter comeback leads when the QB is effectively done for the day. Tannehill lead 4th quarter comebacks against Denver & GB. He cannot do more to have a 4th quarter comeback win then lead team to what should be the winning score. If the defense screws the pooch after that, that's not his fault.
I think the question is......when its all said and done, its **** or get off the pot time. If we DON'T resign Tannehill.....and let the first 4k yard passer since Marino go, who has improved every season, who can also run the ball......who do you replace him with? We've been in this dog and pony show before. I for one, don't want to go through that again.
Exactly, hes wearing a ****ing ball cap on the sidelines watching Finnegan miss that tackle with the rest of us.
Some people seem to know though, judging by the way they continue to hold so called clutch situations, team record and lack of playoffs so heavily against Tannehill. I personally don't like the Brady comparison. I don't need them to know that Tannehill, in his 3 years as a pro, each season has had to deal with at least 2 of being a inexperienced rookie QB, lacking passing weapons, having a woeful protection, having an unproductive running game, and having defense collapse down the stretch. Not to mention the coaching shortcomings. Yet still he has managed to improve from year to year. This team has had no stability in each of Tannehill's 3 season. There's always some unit who f*cks up and screws it up. Heck there are always multiple units who f*ck up. year 1. Rookie QB, Poor offensive weapons; year 2. get better weapons - O-line crumbles and running game is unproductive. year 3. running game is productive and O-line is improved - injuries collapse the O-line, defense wets the bed. There's never stability from year to year.
Tannehill was the reason we were down in both of those games. Especially the GB game, we should have run away with that game.
Sorry the truth hurts. And you love to follow an average QB that will never bring us a superbowl. If he can even manage to play well in a big game and make the playoffs. You probably eat plain hamburgers cooked medium.
Medium-Well actually. And I drink miller high life. And you must be drunk if you think Tannehill and Henne are comparable.
Uh.. we do NOT know exactly how much 4th quarter comebacks have the do with the QB. That was what I responded to. Of course, the QB has some role but is not solely responsible, and there's no way to determine exactly how much of a role the QB played. To the specific example above, what about when Tannehill had the opportunity to win the game at the end but didn't?
they aren't. I'm just saying Tannehill isn't something special we need to lock up. Maybe he proves me wrong this year. But he looks slightly above average at best, and cant perform in big games. Those are bad QB traits that I don't want to hitch my wagon to.
We took a guy with a high ceiling, knowing that he would take a bit to develop. After his third season, he posted 4k yards, and a 2:1 td/int ratio, while improving every year. And there are still people who want to question him, and call him average. It's crazy. There is literally nothing to point to about Tannehill that indicates him being at his ceiling, or that he won't continue to improve. People wanted Dan Marino right out of the gate, and can't be patient enough to watch our guy blossom into a star.
And how many playoff wins did Marino have? How many Super Bowl wins? Know how many times we backed into the playoffs with Marino, as a Wild Card team? Clearly post-season wins are about more than the quarterback.
"4th quarter comeback wins don't mean anything for a QB" That's what you said. The best QB's of all time know how to put the game on their shoulders in crunch time and lead their team to victory. Ryan Tannehill isn't a QB that can do that on a consistent basis right now. Dan Marino was the best ever at it. Maybe RT17 will in the future, maybe he won't. FACT: Tom Brady > Ryan Tannehill I can't believe anyone would even debate that.
Fact: No one is disputing brady being better. Fact: Brady benefits from a better defense, better coach, better offensive line, and better receiving options than tannehill.
