Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up

It contradicts things.

Btw are these files public?

 

Well, if Genesis is to be believed, God created all the stars as "decoration" for us humans.. So that includes every planet, sun, and galaxy out there in the universe merely to give us something nice to look at at night.. Why would he waste time creating life on what amounts to cellestial wallpaper?

 

How?

What it does is broaden God's creation, which unless one is trying to limit God's ability, is limitless.

Yes

Unless I'm misreading it, I don't see anything in there about them being created as mere decoration for us to look at.

 

Yea I've definitely head it from other countries before. But being the U.S., our government would never admit it if we didn't have to. I think the U.S. gov. wants Americans to assume that unless they say something is true, nobody else can be right about it.

 

i fully 100% believe in aliens....its crazy to think about, but i wonder how many there are? millions? billions? thousands?

why does the gov't hide this? are they scared that we(americans) will be scared??

on a side note. what if an alien and a woman had a baby? lol

 

Hard to take the Bible and look at it regarding alien life anyways. You have to assume that humans are the ones who "recorded" or "wrote" it for other humans. Obviously they taylored it to their liking, and I'm assuming that they wouldn't have any reason to mention life outside of mankind.

 

Americans are scared of gay marriage, diff. colored people, foreigners, people of other religions, etc. If most americans can't deal with those things, I can't see them handling a subject like E.T. being real very well.

 

thats true. but its not like you can walk down the streets and see an alien ride a bike right past them..that stuff is in everyday life. idk, i believe in them and i'm not scared. just me though

 

I think most people would go into panic and question everything, which would prob result in chaos. Which is most likely why the gov. will deny deny deny. Can't really blame them on that. Our country isn't full of the brightest people, present company excluded.

 

IMO Religion is a huge part of our government and they wouldn't want to lose that.

No where does the bible say God created other life. God created us and only us, we are the only living creatures in the universe, or so they say.

So if Aliens exist it contradicts, you can spin it and say well God could have created the aliens but how come it doesn't mention that in the bible that we aren't alone?

 

yeah, your right...and i agree the gov't should deny deny deny

 

You could really spin it a million ways if you wanted. For example, pollution and the burning of oil could spark life in our atmosphere lol. Now that would be funny.

But yea religion and our gov. go hand in hand so thats another obvious reason for the denial.

 

This conversation is starting to get right up my alley guys keep it up.

The Bible also seems to make it quite clear that the Earth is the center of the universe so to say and that doesn't leave much room for anywhere else. So I can definitely see why if aliens have been discovered why to keep it secret because as you say its an important political tool. Interesting indeed.

 

he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day

Really? I think its pretty clear in the passage.. Basically, in a biblical context, the stars were created to be nothing more than decorative lights.. to set the mood.. give some ambience like in those chique japanese restaurants..

 

Who says it doesn't? It's all in how you wish to interpret what you read.

I'll admit that I'm not as well versed in the bible as I probably should be, but let me offer this alternative view that I've read many times over the years.

This comes from the book of Ezekiel and some people interpret it as a reported UFO and alien sighting.

Now, do I subscribe to the theory that this is a UFO sighting? No, but it does offer an alternative view that Ezekiel saw a UFO "Wheel within a wheel" and beings that he describes as "living creatures with the likeness of man". Later on in the book of Ezekiel he talks about being lifted up to his feet by the spirit and being taken up in between earth and heaven.

After reading that one could make an argument that he was describing in the best way that he could (using terms that he could understand) being abducted by a UFO, no?

Like I said, it all depends on how you want to interpret what you read. I've read different interpretations of the bible in general where people feel that there is a God, but that aliens are really angels. I've read where people feel that aliens are God and I've read where people feel that aliens are demons. It's all in how you choose to read it.

Also there is the problem (problem may not be the best word) with translation from old hebrew to english as well as definitions for words like firmament. Ancient egyptians, babylonians, greek and romans thought of it as a giant dome to which stars were attached. Are stars really attached to a giant dome? Also there are different meanings for the word "heaven", one of them refers to it as God's house and another (Heavens) refers to it as a place in the sky.

So what does this all mean to me? I fully believe in God and I feel that if God can create life on this planet that he is more than capable of creating life elsewhere. I think it's rather naive to think that this is it, that we are alone and the only thing going on in this vast universe. Does that mean that life elsewhere would contradict my beliefs? Not at all, all it does is expand them even more.

And as I'll point out in my next post, there is a purpose to creating the universe as complex as it is....

 

Okay, let me ask you two questions based on that idea.

1. Taking into account that the stars were only meant for decoration, what do you make of the fact that scientists have all come to the same conclusion that those stars (that were meant to be seen in the night sky only) have planets orbiting them? What purpose do those planets have? We can't see them from earth, hell we can't even see them with our most powerful telescopes. The only way for us to detect them is by using a computer program that measures the slight pull that they have on their host star. What is their purpose if we can't even see them?

2. Using your interpretation of Genesis, doesn't the fact that the moon, the sun and all of the stars have gravity that impacts tides and orbits? Wouldn't that fact alone mean that your interpretation of Genesis is wrong? If they are meant to be decorative lights and nothing more, what business does the moon have impacting our tides? What business does the sun have warming the earth and effecting earth's magnetic field? What is the purpose of comets and asteroids and how do you explain those decorations falling to earth to cause extinctions? How do you explain water on Mars? What about minerals and gases that are found on earth also being found throughout the solar system? How do you explain volcanoes all throughout the solar system? If all they are are decorations, what is the purpose of the rest of the planets and bodies in our solar system and solar systems just like ours all throughout the universe? Why is there a system to our solar system? Why is there a system to our galaxy? Because they are pretty?

Or did God have a broader plan?

 

Thats some good info L2G. But most Religious people totally brush off the idea off of "ET's"

 

Umm.. exactly.. The points you bring up are why I think Genesis is a load of crap.. Sure, it made a heck of a lot of sense when we didnt know a damn thing about astronomy, but now, it really all seems silly.

But what cannot be denied is the fact that, as written, the intention of the author in that passage was to show that the stars were made for US.. To differentiate the day from the night, and nothing more.. Therefore, if you are Christian (which I am not) you must rationalize this with the fact that we KNOW that all the stars and planets out there were NOT created for our stargazing needs, because we cant even see most of them, and the ones we do see might not even be there anymore..

 

Yes and no. There are some people out there that will ignore the subject altogether, but the fact that the Vatican has come out more than once to say that we may not be alone and that it doesn't conflict with their beliefs shouldn't be discounted. The tides are slowly changing in that regard and as a whole something like 70% of Americans think that there is life out there in some form. That's pretty significant IMO.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood the stance you were taking. I thought you were holding firm that the description in Genesis of the stars being mere decoration was final.

The bible has been edited and translated many times over its lifetime, so we really don't know what was omitted (purposely or not), but it's not out of the question that God meant for it to only pertain to us here on earth. We have had enough problems worrying about ourselves, God may not have wanted to make our passage through time any harder than it needed to be by concerning us with life elsewhere until we were able to understand life on this planet.

 

You didnt mention that without the sun that there would be a large lack of life here.

 

I'd imagine more folks would call this guy's bluff rather then side with him so why get all huffy about some old guy making a claim?

 

Hell man no one knows what the truth is. The bible, aliens, Rush Limbaugh's weight....

It's all a mystery. Will we ever know the real answers? Probably not

 

Good luck getting the answer to those 2 questions friend

 

I think in due time there is bound to be a breakthrough but as of right now your right.