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Bret Bielema Says Talks To Coach Phins Broke Down In 2012 Because Of Russell Wilson

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by shamegame13, Jan 30, 2015.

  1. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    LMMFO yeah look at that awful play by Kearse!!!! Terrible receivers! Please shut up now.
     
  2. Patssuck

    Patssuck Well-Known Member

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    Wilson is much better. You can say that without half the passive aggressive bull**** directed at Ryan.
     
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  3. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    I'm not the one that needs to catch up if you seriously believe that.

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  4. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    You mean that lucky catch? You must think David Tyree is HOF material.

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  5. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Ryan Tannehill sucks b/c Russell Wilson is good. Or, Russell Wilson sucks and is overrated.

    Why can't they both be considered good QBs?
     
  6. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Wilson is awesome.
     
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  7. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Wilson is playing with all undrafted WR's and winning. Tannehill is playing with the most expensive group of receivers and finishing 8-8
     
  8. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    What does how much the WRs are paid have to do with anything?
     
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  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    One of the worst play calls in Super Bowl history but it ought to send a message to John Schneider that he can't keep messing around with these mickey mouse waiver wire pieces of sh-t at wide receiver and expect Russell Wilson to make everything OK with a combination of his mobility, field awareness, matchup identification and ball location.

    Just about any receiver in the NFL is capable of stepping up when you've identified the right mismatch and your quarterback is throwing to them with good decision making, timing and excellent ball location. That's why you see a Chris Matthews step up like that or a Jermaine Kearse finally make a play after missing like four plays he could have made. But when you get to that situation where you're going to make a TRUST throw in the red zone in a critical situation, you can't be in a situation needing to depend on a Ricardo Lockette to man up, get in front of the defender at all costs and take the contact on a slant to the end zone.

    There's almost as much blood on Schneider's hands here as there is Bevell's.
     
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  10. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    well russell wilson is at least as good as brian sipe. who the twenty year olds may be asking? exactly. horrible throw. throw it at the knees. this way no int possible. td or incomplete. horrible call too but if wilson can get the praise for winning in green bay after a ****ty game he is certainly to blame for blowing the game after having a good game against new england
     
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  11. Patssuck

    Patssuck Well-Known Member

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    expensive doesnt necessarily mean good. Childish logic by that poster
     
  12. cbrad

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    Seriously though, can you think of another call that ranks up there with this one, given the goal is to win the Superbowl?
     
  13. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Oh give me a break with this. What do their records have to do with anything? Give us Seattle's defense and Tannehill is not finishing 8-8.

    It's a team game.
     
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  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    have to say its actually the "worst call" in supder bowl history. Can't think of another one this bad
     
  15. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  16. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Game pretty much cements that Russell Wilson is on his way to a Hall of Fame career.

    Had one hell of a game. Should have won. Got let down.
     
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  17. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    He is the type of guy who will learn from this, you know if this type of play happens in the future, he will check out of it to a run play.
     
  18. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    will be interesting to see. I think once his quick twitch reflexes go he's going to end up being a backup QB. He's young still so its a ways off but I see him having a Charlie Batch career when he's in his thirties
     
  19. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I guess we view that game quite differently. I didnt find that performance very impressive...
     
  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    It wasn't a checkable play. Pete Carroll says he specifically called pass there. He wanted a pass play. If the head coach says I want a pass play here the quarterback doesn't have the option to check into a run.
     
  21. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Hopefully in the future he will be allowed to check out.
     
  22. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    btw. was that only the third slant play called in the last two games for the seahawks and all three were picks? thats arguably the worst pass for wilson to throw. he's horrible at it. just makes the call that much worse
     
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  23. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They drafted Paul Richardson in a deep WR draft. They just missed. I'm not saying that's enough, and Golden Tate signed for peanuts. Just resigning Tate would have been good. Not missing on Richardson (so far) would be even better.
     
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  25. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    If Russel Wilson came when Tannehill did he would have gotten to play behind the 0line of doom Dolphin style, instead of behind the #1 ranked D in NFL, things would be different. And the power back in Seattle is better than Miller trying to find a open hole.
     
  26. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Wilson is also one of the top QBs in the league at buying time in the pocket.
     
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  27. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I feel like this isn't even a debate anymore and that all that is accomplished by continuing to argue it is lending credibility to the people arguing on the side of ridiculousness. It's sort of like when networks are forced to give equal air time to climate deniers in order to give the appearance of being objective, when in fact that approach is anything but objective.
     
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  28. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I am not as high on Wilson as you. And that's ok, I'm cool with having different opinions. I don't think hes a bad QB by any means, I think he's good. But I know you are quite high on him. However, you said last night something to the effect of that you thought last nights performance by Wilson cemented him on the path to the HoF? What about last night's performance was so impressive in your opinion? I didn't find it that impressive?
     
  29. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Just another in a very long and consistent string of big moments where he stepped up and played well.

    If you didn't find his performance last night impressive, then I can't really help you. You're going to have to find this one on your own.
     
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  30. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    His ability to buy time in the pocket is tops in the league and he is a 'big moment/big game' type of QB.
     
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  31. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Yes but he didn't do it in Miami. Wilson has been great in Seattle just don't believe he could be as good on all 32 teams. I like Russel's game but Seattle's team as a whole is a difference maker IMO hard to argue against a #1 defense helping make it happen.
     
  32. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Brady has been correctly praised for compensating for below average WRs. Wilson matched that with worse.
     
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  33. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    His line is just as bad as Miami's... Hate to break it to ya.
     
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  34. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    after that performance there's really nothing to say, I thought he played a great efficient game, aggressive game, both qb's had their one mistake.. I'm done debating folks who can't see the total skillset.. Just let what Wilson does on the field do the talking
     
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  35. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    He's throwing to a bunch of UDFA receivers, yet averaging 11.8 yards per attempt doing it. He's driving his team down the field in critical, time-crunched situations. He's seeing absolutely nobody open and using his incredible awareness and presence to buy additional time (which the UDFA receivers often didn't take advantage of) or to scramble twice for 22 yards.

    And people are honestly asking what was so impressive about him.

    KMAGYOYO.
     
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  36. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    I'm not listening then.

    Here's a free chart to argue with.
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2013


    As I stated last years Dolphin Oline. (This is what I refered to as the Oline of Doom.)

    Dolphins Ranked 28th run / 30th Pass
    Seattle Ranked 4th run / 24th Pass.


    I would rather have Seattle's 4th ranked run O line any day and Wilson tends to run sometimes. Because he's good at it.
     
  37. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Like I said, it's just as bad, RT17 is a statue in the pocket, RW3 is one of the best at buying time/making plays in the pocket, that is what makes the difference in rank. If you understood the game of football you would know that.

    Stop being a clear cut hater.
     
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  38. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Like I said...I dont think its really a matter of anyone changing their minds at this point. I just got sick of hearing how great Wilson is in relation to our QB, and whether its fair or not, that jaded me. I respect the guy....but like Jeter, Im not gonna fap over him.
     
  39. shamegame13

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    But if RW3 played for Miami, everyone here would be fappin over him, I guess that's my problem with this whole debate.
     
  40. daphins

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    Yep, Wilson is good, but I don't think he's great. That team live and died by Lynch. Wilson is phenomenal at extending the play, he's made some clutch throws, but I'm not over the moon about him either. Last night the game didn't open up until lunch got the ball. The game was lost when the ball was taken out of Lynchs hands. That's been the story of Seattle the last 2 seasons. Wilson runs the offense well, but it's a offense that creates tons of space and allows pedestrian receivers to be wide 4 yards. There's a ton of YAC on that team. Reminds me of the Ducks offense. Quick reads and throws to open receivers who have room to work with. Going into this year as I recall (can't verify ATM) he was being asked to throw the ball like 15 times per game. That finally picked up this season, but the team wins when they keep it on the ground. It's a crapshoot when they put it in RW's hands.

    Wilson excels here, I think Mariota will too. But IMO both need to be a team that runs that system. Brady made a career out if it, so did Montana. I'm curious to see how RW's career developed going forward, but I'm not butt hurt that he's on Seattle's team.

    Luck on the other hand...
     

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