Bret Bielema Says Talks To Coach Phins Broke Down In 2012 Because Of Russell Wilson

Russell Wilson is legit. He is a great QB.

But I want people to be honest, if Tannehill had Seattle's defense we'd be in the playoffs and certainly would have won the games against Denver & GB.

Let's also be honest, that if Tannehill had a game like Wilson did in the NFCCG, there'd be EVEN more people calling for his head.

 

What makes you think they did that? After the Raiders game Philbin made a point of praising Tannehill for turning broken plays into something with his legs, that doesn't seem like something a coach would do if the QB is going against his wishes.

I don't think anybody ever told him to not scramble and make plays. Tannehill is a slow learner. I think what happens is when they are reviewing film they say he had an option to make a pass instead of scramble then Tannehill takes that advice and overcompensates. It seems to me that he doesn't have any ability to think for himself and the coaches have to hold his hand and explain exactly what they want from him to mundane levels, almost from play to play.

 

Sure, but there is no objective evidence to suggest that Tannehill's numbers, per se, would be any better in that scenario.

 

People forget that for all the talks of Ryans surroundings, Wilson has an OL that's actually worse and a playmaking group that couldn't hold a candle to the Dolphins. Obviously he has Marshawn Lynch and that's huge, but Miller was at the very least "good" this year.

It's silly to compare these two guys anyways, not sure why some feel the need to discredit Wilson to praise Tannehill.

 

Huh?

I'm saying with Tannehill playing EXACTLY as he did, which was plenty good for playoffs, if he Seattle's defense instead of ours we'd be a GREAT team.

 

Their line is not worse than our's was when Albert went down. Their line always allows a guy to pressure, but ours always allowed jailbreaks. Big difference that isn't reflected in PFF stats.

 

His success in terms of the team's success is helped by that, but there is no objective evidence to suggest that his individual success is helped by that. In fact, you could just as easily argue that the rest of the team's performance is enhanced by Wilson's abilities.

 

And I'm agreeing, with the caveat that there is no objective evidence that the presence of Seattle's defense on the Dolphins would help Ryan Tannehill play any better individually.

 

My point is if it not for Wilson's escape ability than HE would be the most sacked QB in the NFL.

 

I think you're putting random words together in the hopes that by the end, a cohesive thought is formed.

Who is saying Seattle's defense made Wilson a better player? They are saying that Seattle's defense bailed Wilson out of the NFCCG.

 

I just don't see Philbin letting a Qb play like Wilson does, I also think a lot of the personalities on that Seattle team would have been jettisoned or neutered. I think the attitude of the coaching staff and team is a great fit for Wilson. I don't think he'd fit in the same here, I think Sherman and Philbin probably would have rather played Matt Moore if we had drafted Wilson. None of this is a knock on Wilson at all for the record, I think this coaching staff hampered Tannehill's play and it wasn't until Lazor got here that he started to turn the corner. I think if we had drafted Wilson his first two years would have been very similar to Tannehill's and the team success would have been too.

 

Does something I say have to be in response to what someone else is saying? Certainly I what I write can be initiated solely by me and not in response to anyone else. And I don't have any insecurity whatsoever that what I'm saying is cohesive.

 

I disagree.

I think if had our line AA (after Albert) he'd have been sacked 50 some odd times.

I think people confuse pressure from one place with pressure from all sides. Wilson often has a single defender getting penetration at a time...staggered, while Tannehill often has the pocket collapse from left, right & center and not staggered.

I'm not saying Tannehill is a better or as good as a scrambler as Wilson, I'm juts saying that pressure that Wilson faces is different then the kind Tannehill faces.

 

Marhsawn Lynch is 100 times better than Miller. He's the best back in football the last 2 years and he is the perfect back for cold weather playoff games, he's been one of the top players in the league the last few seasons, not just Rbs. I'd rather have their offensive talent if Lynch is part of the equation, you can win with him wearing teams down with a good defense.

 

Stop. No it doesn't. However when you "reply" to a post on a forum, its common knowledge you are responding to what that person said.

 

And try as anyone might, there will be no one here who will ever be able to confirm or refute that definitively.

 

Well then by all means, allow me to introduce some uncommon knowledge.

 

I think you might be being a little sarcastic considering wilson accounts for 850 yards at a 7.2 clip

 

you must have a horrible opinion of this coaching staff to think that they would stifle wilson like that..cause thats the most ridiculous type of coaching I've ever heard of with a skill set like that..you'd have to be a moron.

 

apparently his lesson in keeping his mouth shut during a game didn't come thru either..the stuff that was coming out of some mouth's during that game was really funny..and really rewarding.

 

you don't take what wilson has done in three years and go after his head after 3 quarters of bad play..

 

courtesy of Roy.

ill add lynch arrived before Wilson.

 

and Ive said that from the beginning that was a huge grey area for me, if indeed we ever get word that they purposely chained Tannehill to the pocket, then Philbin is an ***-hole, and should be fired immediately.

 

he is absolutely the best in the business, but don't think that the threat of wilson doesn't create space.

 

My preference heading into the 2012 draft was Kuchley in the first round and Wilson in the second round.

If we could go back and do it over, I have to imagine the Dolphins personnel staff would love to have those two players over what they got in the first two rounds of that draft.

Tannehill has turned out to be a decent QB, but I just never see him being the type of QB who will lead this team to the Super Bowl. As a game manager type QB, he might eventually get them to the first round of the playoffs, but that's about it, IMO.

 

Philbin should have been fired after three mediocre seasons, whether he chained Tannehill to the pocket or not.

He just isn't a quality NFL head coach and it is absurd that Ross elected to bring him back for next season.

 

Well I've thought that our coaching staff should have been fired after last season's collapse and certainly after this queasy season so yeah I kinda think they wouldn't know what to do with Wilson and we'd probably have been just as bad or worse.

 

Exactly. The Bengals get to the playoffs and have a good team and Dalton's stats are probably slightly elevated due to his team but people can still tell that Dalton is not a long term answer.

 

I didn't.

 

yeah I wanted him gone as well, the raven game was the measuring stick..

really though, the idea that a pro coach wouldn't know what to do with Wilson is moronic, the assumption that they strapped ryan to the pocket is moronic.

 

well then I dont know where I lost it..

change subject.. I'm gonna say what I've said several times since ryans first year...the curve here may be a lot longer than the norm, non'oe has ever done what he's attempting to do.

 

Do we really need Bret Bielma's say so to ask if we took a poorer QB in the first than was taken in the 3rd??

The answer to the first question there is: No.

The answer to the 2nd is: Yes.

 

I think it's pretty clear that Tannehill has the higher ceiling, but Wilson is more polished.

The gap is closing pretty quickly though.

As far as Ireland goes, this is just another feather in his cap.

 

That game was the perfect example of how little Seattle really needs from the QB position, and that is the point I've been making all along. Tannehill's in a much, much, tougher situation. He either plays well or the team loses. Wilson has NEVER experienced that sort of week to week pressure in the NFL.

 

Lol talk about comically over sensitive about this dude. Anything less than "Wilson is the best ever and Deej is a genius" will not cut it with him.

 

you trolled to start, so be prepared to take it.

 

that game was the perfect example of folks like yourself talking sh&^ on the guy and getting sh&^ put back in their mouth...lol..beautiful thing I might add...

 

I dunno, but it was pretty clear I wasn't ragging on Wilson at all. I was merely pointing out the double standard that plagues Tannehill with this fan base.