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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by zwave21, Jan 28, 2015.

  1. zwave21

    zwave21 New Member

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    This part of the off season is all about rumors, potential options, and hopes. So, with some of our biggest needs let's play a little would you rather:

    Defensive Tackle - Obvious need if not the top one. Unit struggled inside against the run. Odrick is FA and Starks looked old. Mitchell is under contract but this unit needs a NT type to plug the run, and if JO goes we will need a pass rush threat from inside.

    Option A: (Resign: Odrick Cut Starks and Draft NT) ------- Option B: (Sign NT; Cut Starks and Draft 3 down DT) ------ Option C: (Keep Starks and Sign NT)

    Cornerback - Regardless of opinion this is a need. Some may say major, some minor, etc. My opinion is it cannot go neglected. Finnegan is done. Taylor has shown some potential but health is ? Davis/Thomas are both coming off injury plagued 2014's. Jimmy Wilson is a FA. Grimes is only sure thing on unit. I think we need to get at least one proven player and a depth one.

    Option A: (Draft Early Round CB and Sign Veteran for Depth) ------ Option B: (Sign Veteran CB to Start and Draft Mid to Late CB) ------ Option C: (Draft Early Round CB and Draft Developmental CB Late) -------- Option D: (Sign Vet CB to Start and Sign Depth CB)

    Linebacker: Ellerbe will be cut for cap reasons, and Jenkins proved to be better player so WLB is settled into 2015. Misi played "OK" at ILB but was hurt so often can't get a real reading on his ability there. Wheeler is trash and should be cut as well, either way SLB needs to be upgraded. As many have read my previous post I want Dion Jordan moved there for many reasons. One being it'd be an improvement to the unit and defense overall and lessen on major need. By moving him there you can assess what you want to do ILB but I'd look to improve the position through the draft. Here are some options:

    Option A: (Cut Ellerbe, Cut Wheeler, Move Jordan to SLB and Misi ILB) ------ Option B: (Cut Ellerbe, Keep Wheeler, and Sign ILB) ------ Option C: (Cut Ellerbe, Cut Wheeler, Move Jordan to SLB and Sign Veteran to Compete for ILB) -------- Option D: (Cut Ellerbe, Cut Wheeler, Move Jordan to SLB, and Draft ILB Early to Mid)

    Free Safety: Delmas was on a one year deal and coming off another injury. Behind him Walt Aikens didn't show enough to go forward with him alone. Jordan Kovacs is JAG and should be beat out with proper depth. Regardless, Jones needs a PIC to make this unit flourish. I don't know is Jones is SS or FS and don't care but I will say I think we need a safety who is more the rangy center field type. That will allow Jones to roam in the box where his game excels. Michael Thomas also dabbled at FS and coaches liked him in the nickel. The FA class is bountiful and draft has options:

    Option A: (Sign Top Vet and Aikens for Depth) ----- Option B: (Sign Mid-Level Vet and Let Aikens/Thomas compete) ------ Option C: (Status Quo Let Aikens/Thomas win the role) ------ Option D:(Draft Early Round and Sign Vet for Insurance) ------ Option E: (Draft Mid Round and Compete with Aikens/Thomas) ------ Option F: (Resign Delmas as insurance and status quo)

    Offensive Guard: I think if you can pinpoint the next step in our continous OL rebuild would be the interior. Realistically, looking at two new starters but my belief is one is already on the roster in Billy Turner. We tend to RS our OL but for Juwan it wasn't an option at all. For Billy I think he is the mauling type of run blocker we have needed, and being a former tackle his pass blocking should be adequate. I'd look for him to start on the right side. From there we need a LG to finalize the OL. Again, we tend to RS our rookies so it wouldn't be guarantee one starts. Eitehr way FA and Draft have many options:

    Options A: (Sign Top Vet and Turner Starts) ------ Option B: (Draft 1st round OG and Turner Starts) ------- Option C: (Sign Top Vet and Draft Mid Round to Compete) ----- Option D:(Sign Mid Vet and Turner Starts) ------ Option E: (Draft Mid Round and Turner Starts)

    Tight End: With Clay as a FA this has to be addressed one way or another. That may mean letting him walk, so be prepared:

    Option A:( Resign Clay and Status Quo) ----- Option B: (Resign Clay and Draft Developmental) ------ Option C:(Clay walks; Sign Top Vet) ------- Option D: (Clay Walks; Draft Early) ------- Option E: (Clay walks and Sims starts)

    Wide Receiver: This might have the most options but hey we gotta get the best bang for our buck and this ain't it. Wallace could be cut or kept noone besides FO knows right now. Hartline is overpaid, so if he is kept it better bet at a discount. I see no reason why Gibson should stay as he could be upgraded for less cost. Landry may well be only returning member of unit, and he is a growing player but he is not a complete WR or Alpha one. He is a slot guy who teamed with right unit can make it dynamic and explosive. FA and Draft are loaded:

    Option A: (Cut Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Sign 2x Veterans) -------- Option B: (Cut Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Draft Two WR's) ------- Option C: (Cut Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Draft One and Sign One) ------ Option D: (Keep Wallace Cut Hartline/Gibson and Sign Veteran) ------- Option E: (Keep Wallace Cut Hartline/Gibson and Draft WR) ------- Option F: (Cut Wallace/Gibson Keep Hartline and Sign Veteran) ------ Option G: Cut Wallace/Gibson Keep Hartline and Draft WR)

    Running Backs: This unit was improved from 2013 and Miller had his first 1,000 yard season (first of many I hope). Still, this unit lacks a compliment to Miller and a power element. It's been since Lou Polite since I felt comfortable in 3rd/4th and short. The NFL especially in playoffs evolves into smash mouth football and I'd like to see us find a proper compliment to Miller who can bring the thunder. Knowshown seemed like right fit prior to injury:

    Option A: (Sign Vet) ------ Option B: (Draft Early) ----- Option C: (Draft Mid to Late) ------ Option D: (Resign Knowshown) ----- Option E: (Status Quo)
     
  2. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Option B2: (Sign SUH; Cut Starks and Draft 3 down DT)


    Option B2: (Sign Veteran CB to Start and Draft Early Round CB)

    Option D: (Cut Ellerbe, Cut Wheeler, Move Jordan to SLB, and Draft ILB Early to Mid)

    Option E2: (Sign Mid-Level Vet FS, Draft Mid Round and Compete with Aikens/Thomas)

    Option D2: (Sign Mid Vet LG , Start Turner at RG and Draft Mid Round to Compete)

    Option A: (Resign Clay and Status Quo)

    Option C2: (Cut Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Draft One High, Draft another One Mid and Sign One (Cecil Shorts))

    Option A2: (Sign Vet RB and draft late round RB)
     
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  3. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    I think you did a good job writing this up. I don't have an opinion on the options you listed, tbh.
    It's pretty much a guessing game on what goes on behind closed doors and I can't control what they do. So, I stay out...
     
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  4. Boik14

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    Alll of this assumes we stay with a 4-3..

    DT: Option C. Sign Suh, Keep Starks at a pay cut salary...I like him. Yes Id shell out 13-14M for Suh with half guaranteed. We need some elite talent on D. Or see LB's for another option....

    CB: Option B: We need to sign a player who can start in case Jamar Taylor is still hurt and we need multiple bodies here. Finnegan is done. Chris Culliver, Brandon Harris, Cromartie, Brandon Flowers should be in the mid tier 4-5M range who can do a reasonable job...Harris has upside. Kareem Jackson or Byron Maxwell is the home run here. We still need another ne in the draft even if Taylor is ready to go and Jimmy Wilson is resigned. Best case scenario its later on.

    LB: None of the above. Jordan is at 270ish, forget him at LB unless youre going 3-4, At this point I make him a full fledged DE, make Vernon a 5 technique DT and totally revamp this unit with Jenkins at WLB, Sean Weatherspoon at SLB (sign a vet behind him as well for cheaper) and draft Denzel Perryman in round 3 for ILB with Koa Misi. Id hang on to Kelvin Shepherd and Trusnik for depth and depnding on the numbers might bring in a Colin McCarthy or a Desmond Bishop for further depth. We've had a lot of injuries at this spot the last few years....

    FS: Option A. Aikens needs more time so we need a solid FA such as an Antrel Rolle, Tashaun Gipson, Dwight Lowery, Darian Stewart, or Marcus Gilchrist. Id roll with whichever option was most team friendly though Lowery and Gilchrist are actually my preference because I think they fit your description. I prefer a converted corner here because I think they are generally the most rangy.

    OG: Option D. Sign a mid range guard like Boling, resign Colledge for depth, let Turner compete for other guard spot with Colledge. Make Turner take the job from colledge. Even though Colledge wasnt good, hes still a vet who has accomplished something in this league. Id draft another body here as well.

    TE: Option A. Resign Charles Clay. There may be better option available in the eyes of some but this is Tannehills security blanket as well as the fact hes a tough player which frankly we dont have a lot of. He played on one knee down the stretch and can work the seems.

    WR: Options D or E. Frankly its both. If we cut/trade Hartline and Gibson we'll need two players. Id sign one and draft one. Id be happy with either of the following options....one option is go after a top tier wr like Cobb, Crabtree or Maclin and draft a WR with some size later on. My preferred option is going after a WR early like Parker or White and signing someone like Eddie Royal to compete with other players for playing time.

    RB: Some combo of A and B or A and C. IMO we need multiple bodies here as we were stretched pretty thin. The guy who would be a tremendous signing is Marshawn Lynch who would give us an attitude and identity we need. A lot of people dont like him. I dont care. I love watching him play. Stevan Ridley wouldnt be bad either. In that scenario I draft an RB later on to compete with Damien Williams. Or I draft a Duke Johnson/Melvin Gordon (assuming hes there) and sign a Bilal Powell, Knowshon or Ridley for quality depth.

    Cuts: Fields, Wheeler, Ellerbe, Hartline, Finnegan,
    Restructure: Starks
    Dont resign: Delmas, Moore, Odrick or anyone else I didnt ask for....
     
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  5. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    why isn't QB on the list? that's the biggest need.
     
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  6. jw3102

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    Until we see how much cap money they will have, it is far to difficult to determine what they should do in free agency.

    I would love to see them try and rebuild through the draft and rely less on free agents. The team is basically built on free agent starters at this time and all that has gotten the Dolphins is a mediocre record, year after year.

    I just don't see Jordan ever developing into a quality starter in the NFL. Hickey should shop him around to see what he can get for him. Maybe the Eagles would still be interested in obtaining Jordan for a 3rd or 4th round pick. Based on his play in his first two years in the league, the Dolphins would be extremely fortunate to get even a mid round pick for Jordan.

    If Jordan remains with the Dolphins next year and still can't break into the starting lineup, which I doubt he will, the Dolphins will be lucky to get a 7th round draft pick for him after the 2015 season. At least at this time, he might still appear to have some value to another team in the NFL.

    I just don't see him as part of the solution for this defense in the coming years. So Hickey would be wise to try to move him if he can get another team to bite.
     
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  7. Stringer Bell

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    These are all bad options.
     
  8. jw3102

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    Andrew Luck didn't play very well in the game against the Patriots. Perhaps the Colts would be willing to trade him to the Dolphins for Tannehill.:no:
     
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  9. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Agree with everything here except Delmas. The defense fell apart after he went down.
     
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  10. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The problem is he goes down every season otherwise I'd bring him back. Maybe as a backup. He's too unreliable in that he's always good for an injury
     
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  11. Itsdahumidity

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    Good job zwave21.
    LB - I like both options C & D but I'd replace misi as well.

    WR - any option that includes the removal of wallace & hartline is fine by me. I would keep gibson though.
     
  12. shamegame13

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    You cant be serious.
     
  13. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Matt Moores contract is up. I'd guess he's referring to that.
     
  14. shamegame13

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    I guess. He wasnt very specific in his post other then saying QB is the biggest need on the team.
     
  15. zwave21

    zwave21 New Member

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    BPK, always love your input.

    Suh is big money but can't say I'd hate the move as he is elite. Where would you look to draft your DT?

    CB, that is a lot invested in that position? Two vets = $$$$, 3 draft picks in Top 3 rounds over past 3 years....ehhhh

    LB = Love it

    FS = Love it

    OG= By Mid guard are you talking a College type stop gap or ?? Like the process though, as with Albert being ??? for future years with help Turner could eventually slide to OT when that happens and we'd have a guard behind him to slid in.

    TE = Love it

    WR = Love the plan just don't know if it'll work. As you've said you want to draft DT, Early CB, Early to Mid ILB, Mid FS, Mid LG = we only have 7 picks. Shorts can offer a lesser version of what Wallace does for a lot less so I am with you there as he'd be our speed element. From there I'd go round 1 for WR get that physical type (Solid unit with those three)

    RB = Who you got in mind?
     
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    Yes, and with Coyle back safe to say we are staying that way. I do believe we have pieces better suited for 3-4 but it is what it is.

    DT: I hear yah, again would never complain with Suh, just doubt Philbin can handle his personality and don't see him targeting Miami. I like Starks too and if he'll take pay cut he is still good in a rotation.

    CB: Agree completely. Not like we need a Revis but someone like Kareem Jackson, Buster Skrine who has started is still young and can compete. Have zero interest in Wilson returning, if he does it better not be as starting Nickel nothing more than 5th CB and backup FS. If we can sign a solid veteran in FA like those you mentioned I think we can wait on developmental CB until round 5-7. Don't forget Michael Thomas who staff loved in the nickel.

    LB: Lost me on this plan. Jordan is 270LB due to staff's reluctance to accept his inadequacy as a pass rusher. He doesn't have an arsenal to be counted on a 3 down DE. Yes, his ideal is 3-4 and if we move that way I think it'd make Wake expendable. He came into the league at 255LB, and no reason in an off season he couldn't do it. Look what Seattle has done with Bruce Irvin and Denver with Von Miller all players who play 4-3 scheme at LB but still pressure the CB. Why I love him in this role it allows three players (wake/jordan/vernon). Jordan can cover TE's, play the run and blitz much improved from Wheeler.

    You do realize Vernon is considered an understized DE and you want to move him to DT???? Not even possible our issue at DT is we don't have big enough bodies and Vernon would only worsen the problem. Love Witherspoon without the injury history. Perryman in the 3rd I'd be ok but nothing earlier. Still, unsure of him and what he brings in pass coverage. Agree on injuries it'd be nice to have better depth than Trusnik/Freeny. IMO you slide Jordan to SLB (improved player/less$$$); Jenkins is a keeper at WLB; and draft a 3rd or 4th rounder (Hayes Pullard or Stephone Anthony) to compete with Misi to start. Best case, rookie starts and Misi can be a chess piece at ILB/SLB/DE as he has played all those. With that unit you have 3 LB's who can do it all blitz, play run, and cover the pass without having to come off the field. Misi doesn't offer that as he can't stay healthy. Not too mention all of those players are under 25 and on rookie contracts so they can grow and are cheaper option.

    OG: Not against that, love Boling a lot especially for what we are looking for. He won't big big money either but I'd still pay what it takes. From there it comes down to is Shelley Smith or Daryn College the better option as a backup/stopgap.... Smith is pricy. I'd cut Smith resign College move D. Thomas back to guard as backups to compete with late round rookie. From there you'd have Boling/Turner = Starters and either College/Thomas/Rookie as backups. Progress.

    WR: Love that last part with White and a speed guy in FA. Royal worries me as Landry is our slot and they are essentially similar players to one another. I'd like our speed guy to be able to line up on the outside so Landry can work slot.

    RB: Keep dreamin on Marshawn....he is #1 RB in league. He ain't leavin Seattle and if he is he ain't leavin Carroll's fun brigade for Philbin's quesiness. I love his playing style. Ridley if healthy could be very useful in our power game. It'd also be nice to snag a Pats player and turn the tides on them. Duke and Melvin are too similar to Lamar, I'd much rather have a bigger back like David Cobb to complement Miller.
     
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  17. zwave21

    zwave21 New Member

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    Trolls be Trollin'
     
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    True, but what we do know is we need to make a lot of moves to create money but we have potential to have close to $40million in cap. That is more than enough to be hypothetical here.

    Agreed, the draft is way to go. Ireland went FA heavy his last years and those deals are no effecting us now in being cap strapped and lack of performance. I do think FA is serviceable for certain positions we have needs for (OG, DT, RB, CB) especially taking the FA class into account for this year.

    I am not sold on Jordan either as a DE but I think he can be a very good player at SLB. For the right price heck yes I'd trade him but before I do that I'd give him a shot to exceed at a position he can do it at...LB.

    Him not breaking into the starting lineup is as much on him as the coaching staff and their inability to find use for his skillset (he does have one just to be clear)
     
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    Thanks for feedback, care to elaborate?
     
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    zwave21 New Member

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    Thanks bud, I appreciate it.

    Yeah, I just think we can improve from Misi without spending too much $$$$ or high pick. I'd still keep Misi as he is multi faceted and under contract. After this year if he isn't a started I'd cut him.

    Why with Gibson, what has he shown you?
     

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