I'm out on Tannehill

Uggghhh.

Quit saying that. How horrible.

 

Dalton would've sucked if Indy would've trotted out 9 defenders.

It's Lewis, Dalton and the playoffs.....recipe for disaster

 

100% agree. his qb rating is 20 points higher in his division than the rest of the AFC.(111 vs 89)

luck isn't going 6-0 in the AFC east he 1-1 vs dolphins in his career and has never beaten that patriots in his career(0-3 i think). if the colts are in the east they are a sub 500 team, and if he is on the dolphins, the dolphins are still at home watching the playoffs.

 

Na not buying that at all.

 

Jim Caldwell is one hell of a coach.

 

Romo looked like some claim Tannehill plays on that last sack... smh

 

That likely GW TD is a play that Ryan hasn't shown to be capable of making, and that's not the end of the world but good pocket prescence, and mobility are crucial in the NFL. Likely to be the difference in a playoff win or loss.

 

Yeah I bet his team would never blow a lead late in a big game.

Oops. What I meant to say is Caldwell is a terrible coach who's team chokes in critical situations. Garrett, now he's a helluva coach!!!

 

Same Romo who has zero playoff wins in 10 years. Who fumbled the snap on a 24 yard FG attempt that would have won a playoff game in Seattle. That Romo?

 

His work in the pocket is outstanding, we need Ryan to really work on that this offseason....he's young and has the athletic ability now he just needs the presence.

 

1. Luck is a much better qb

2. The Buffalo game was not Tannehills fault. The Jets game was.

3. Dalton is not very god.

 

I agree with one and three. But Tannehill didn't lose that Jets game... Not even close.

 

fin you are talking about a qb in the month of december that had a qb rating around 71 had a completion percentage around 53% and had 6td 5int. this is counting his last game against the titans(2-14) where he had 2td 0 int. prior to that game he was below 50% completion and had more picks than td, the guy plays 6 games a year against teams picking 2,3,16 in the draft.

outside the division (10 games)
andrew luck: 60% completion percentage. 24td 13int 3,028 yards 7.4 avg 89.2 qbr
ryan tannehill: 67.8% completion percentage.20td 7int 2,546 yards 7.2 avg 99.1 qbr

andrew luck attempted 60 more passes than tannehill outside of the division.

andrew luck is better than tannehill no doubt, but he is not leaps and bounds far from tannehill to really make a difference.

 

What do you mean? He said "AL12 has never put up a combined 7 points in back to back games". Are you saying that is false? When did Luck do that?

 

The AFC South is weak....I agree, but....

This season we played Jax from the South: 16-29 196yds 1TD-1INT...

 

He said more than that...lol.

 

So your saying the 1st pick in the 2012 draft is better than the 8th pick. Wow. Way to go out on a limb.

 

Agreed.

 

I didn't read it that way at all. Bran was pointing out that Luck had a horrible Dec because Luck had a horrible Dec.

Facing Cleveland, Houston, Dallas, and Tenn he put up 6 TDs, 5 INTs, 6 sacks and only completed 53.6% of his passes. Only reason his stats were that good was that Tenn was so atrocious.

It's ok to admit that Luck isn't flawless and has bad games, sometimes multiple ones... doesn't mean he still isn't the best QB to come out since Ben.

 

definitely. luck is a great qb but its not a crime to admit that he isn't flawless or at the peak of his game 3 years into his career. good and great qb's cannot do it by themselves.

 

At this point, there's absolutely no comparison. Luck was great. Luck is everything you want in a QB. He was accurate. He made plays when the protection broke down. He ran when needed and ran great. He runs with quickness and power. He passed with anticipation and accuracy and whilst on the move, etc, etc, etc.

 

Andrew Luck is...exactly what everyone thought he would be. He was considered the most well rounded, can't miss prospect that any had seen in a decade. And hes playing like it.

i want to hear more about how great Kaepernick and RG3 are in comparison to tannehill. I notice that conversation disappeared.

 

The difference is, one has a brighter future than the other. The other is going extinct as the read option is slowly becoming the wildcat. Earlier this year, word from several GM's said they would take Tannehill > Kaep. This was before the season began. I'm sure more have jumped on that bandwagon after watching Ckap regress after being forced to play QB.

 

Bob Griffin III HAD great potential until Mike Shanahan single handedly ruined his career in his rookie season making him play on a bum knee and I never thought Kap was very good.I take RT17 over both of them at this point. 1) Luck 2) Wilson 3) Tannehill 4) Foles as far as the 2012 class goes with the jury still out on Osweiler and very unlikely comeback of RG3. Safe to say Weeden and Cousins are completely out of the race.

 

lol that's not why Griffen sucks now. Griffen sucks because he can't read defenses. The read option set up easy man-to-man reads and RG was able to take advantage. Go look up split stats of his rookie year and see how many TD's and yards came from the play action/read-option. When forced to be a real QB, Griffen flounders. That's not on Shanahan. Blaming Shanahan is a cop out.

 

Deej, as qbs, kaep and rg3 suck. They're strongest weapon was there legs and defenses took them away. Without them, they were both forced to sit in the pocket, read defenses, and throw. They couldn't. Not anywhere near tannehills level anyway.

If a theoretical offer was on the table to trade either for tannehill, I bet both franchises take it without question

 

I know I can't wait to see how Kaepernick performs without Harbaugh. I'm hoping the franchise goes into a deep freeze though, because you don't just toss away a potential hall of fame coach like a piece of trash.

I'd be really curious to see how Rex Ryan would do in Atlanta too, because thats a situation thats very similar to ours and I'd like to get a peak at what we might have missed out on.

 

If Miami thinks RT17 is the guy this is where his contract negotiations START at, because he is better than Dalton I am sorry......You can win with RT, absolutely I believe you can...

Take into account he stats 4000 yards, a comp % which has gone up every year and is at 66 now.....under 15 picks, 400 yards rushing and they largely abandoned his legs for the first half of the year. Sure he has flaws, they all do, he does tend to have alot of batted balls, maybe he isnt as vocal as he should be, long ball accuracy gotta get better, consider if he hits say 1 long ball every 4 games (qtr of the season) tack on an extra 2-350 yards? Not impossible right? You are looking at close to 4400 yards!?!!? Playing behind that bull**** line........This is a guy you give up on?

Lastly, which has been my stance on RT all along, he will suffer the most from Philbin coming back, I firmly believe that under this coaching staff RT cant do the things or isn't allowed to do the things he could and should be able to do....it is a shame too because in his walk year he will yet again have a leash on him...

 

Just because Dalton was paid that much doesn't mean Tannehill's negotiations should start there. A contract like Dalton's for Tannehill would be more than fair for him.


Also, in regards to the batted passes. Anyone have PFF and can see where Tannehill stood compared to the rest of the league in batted passes? Other than the Jets game in Week 17, I don't recall it being an issue this season.

 

If you can't see how that injury has affected RGs game then I feel sorry for you. Hes not even half of the running threat he was his rookie season because he still doesn't fully trust his knee. Reading defenses was never part of his game, he was a dual threat QB, and looking like the next great running QB since Vick until Shanny selfishly took away when he made him play on his bum knee. Why dont you face facts that not every QB has to be a pocket passer to be a good QB in this league. He had an awesome rookie season (better then any year RT17 has had as far as QBs dominating defenses go), so lets not act like RG3 never had potential.

 

To be fair, looking at his career, Kapernick has arguably gotten worse as a passer the more snaps/exposure he has taken in his career. His passer rating has gone down steadily the last two years (from highs in 2012), as has his YPA, and his INT % and sack % has gone up each year (from 2012). So I am not sure how you can so quickly excuse his most recent season as merely a result of Harbaugh/FO interactions.

I'm not saying he can't be a good QB, or that the situation didn't contribute, but you're not even allowing for the potential of him just getting worse as more film gets out there.

 

You realize this comparison inherently proves something?