No, some fans were angry because they want aggressive plays each and every down. That's not only unrealistic, but ignorant. Trying to ensure no turnover deep in Green bay territory and trying to make Green Bay have a long drive is not horrible by any stretch of the imagination. Our defense held GB in check until that last drive. The timeout that everybody is crying over was made not to give GB more time, but to enable the defense to get the right personnel on the field and give them a breather. Again, not a horrible decision. Green Bay, regardless of the timeout, was going to score because our defense played badly that last drive.
the buffalo game royally pissed me off. whats worse is the dolphins gashed the bills for some big runs and philbin still sat on the timeouts and ended up going into half time with the ball at midfield with 3 timeouts
Amorphous was your term, which doesn't apply imo, if anything it's an antonym bc Philbin is probably too structured. He has been a conservative coach from the start, it didn't just suddenly appear on that series.
So, whatever he tells the media " audience" doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things ? Yeah right, that's why the whole " I`ll play the QB that gives us the best chance to win", debacle was taken lightly by all too.
Held them in check? GB put up 17 in the second half. At least our offense outscored them in the second half...
Cautious Coach Joe..'nuff said If one reads between the lines of what Lazor said, basically Philbin put the choke collar on the O and D this past season, with disastrous results. The reason why I do not flail Cautious Coach Joe is the players in most of the games had chances to make plays to finish games and failed to finish those plays. Cautious Joe is on the spot, players need to look in the mirror themselves. IMO, Coyle should be canned, Rizzi should be nervous, for all of the big plays ST created, it allowed a nearly equal amount of big plays AND failures in key games..blocked punt for a Td v NE anyone?
20 points allowed in 58 minutes vs GB doesn't qualify as holding them in check? With the way the offense played in the first half we were lucky to even be in the game. The D played well overall they just didn't get it done on the last drive.
What debacle? Tannehill played better than ever after that. Like the queasy comment, it was blown out of proportion by fans and media who get a kick out of it but it had zero bearing on what was happening on the field.
Yes, in check. I guess you don't realize that Green Bay was this years number one scoring offense? We held them under their average points per game. By definition that's "in check".
Throwing the ball on 3rd and 9 against the Aaron Rodgers lead Packers in that point of the game would have been "reckless" ???? Dude, you`re killing me. Keep`em coming.
Flip the proposition, would GB be worried about Rodgers throwing on 3rd and 9? And iirc, didn't Coyle's unit give up a crucial 4th and long conversion on the final drive in that game?
Wildly inconsistent, love ST play, Rizzi's unit was schizoid in 2014 Some great game changing plays from ST in 2014..some massive fails
How can we talk top plays and leave out cortland not tackling the Green Bay receiver in bounds or the last second pass by Stafford?
I am now starting to understand your perspective much more, respectfully so, but we had a pretty hot debate after the raven game where you and someone else insisted that you had already made your decision about this staff, I obviously after the raven game thought it was the critical game to measure the staff after three years, and my conclusion was its time for a change, I'm curious to know based on how we performed in that raven game and the pats loss, then squeaking out the victory against the vikes, then the obvious embarrassment to the jets if you still feel like a sense of conviction that you made the right decision before that raven game?
Which is EXACTLY why playing conservative and giving the ball back to Green Bay at that point was a very stupid move. Even the best offenses who are "held in check" can score on any given drive, at any given time. The opposing head coach MUST make decisions accordingly.
Queasy. The GB 3rd and 9 would have been a great time for a rollout/boot play. Best of both worlds; it's a running play w/ the opportunity for a pass for a first down. Bingo. Queasy.
my statement goes one step further BK, was it deserved to the point of justifying the queasiness..was the honest remark about the situation an indictment.?
Youre killing yourself. Go ahead. Tell us what pass we should've called. What pass pro, what routes? Which receiver was gonna be open for 9 yards I n the 1.5-2.0 seconds it takes for a zero blitz to get to the QB? We called 4 passes on the drive, inc to Wallace, one to Landry for a 1st, a sack, and a near sack that ended up as a throw away. I'm sure you don't remember, too busy combing thru press conference transcripts most likely.
this has been talked about a lot but that was the mistake that I disagreed with mostly..The momentum of the previous play, the down and distance, the crowd energy, I think at that point you roll with it..one of the very rare times where Rogers was frazzled from the previous play, was hit very hard..I think you roll
Agreed. Just look at the box score from the 2013 Chargers game, almost identical situations only instead of running Tannehill took the sack keeping the clock running. The biggest difference, and probably the biggest reason we won the Chargers game and lost the Packers game was the punt was much better in the Chargers game. Rivers had to start inside his 20 and he ran out of time at Miami's 25. If Rodgers would have had to go an extra 20 yards he likely would have ran out of time too.
Thank you. You're the first person to offer an actual plan instead of "uhh let's pass". Roll outs are nice but Not in that situation. The Packers were clearly going to blitz. Rolling RT only cuts the field in half while sending him directly towards either Clay Matthews or Julius Peppers.
Scapegoats?, how bout trying to figure out the reasons why we lost..isn't that how you figure sh&$ out..I believe we've gone 0 and 4 in the last two years when we were in must wins..couple of other losses that followed that were quite humiliating..someone's responsible unless you feel this coach has his team playing above their talent level?
Would have to read the coverage on Wallace and Bline, or Landry, audible to a slant in a zero blitz situation. Do note, when the pressure was on the OL cracked consistently, Thomas should give Dumervil his game check for example, still and all, 3rd and 9 is not impossible, the physics 4.4 40/ten yds every second or so, off coverage, someone has some steps on the D
My biggest problem, when people excuse the horrible play of this defense, is when we place equal emphasis on playing well overall to not getting it done on the last drive. Not getting it done on the last drive TRUMPS playing well overall, any day of the week. Playing well on the last drive when the game is on the line is the bottom line...goes for Tannehill and the offense also...no excuses.
Not fair. You are talking about Aaron Rodgers. He almost as much as Coyle is my off-season vendetta. Some good stuff, plenty of bad stuff. Not good ST coaching in my opinion.
I know I'm giving Philbin too much credit here but its possible the "queasy" comment was calculated to put all of the heat on himself and keep the rest of the team from playing the blame game against each other.
The elephant in the room is trust...Personally, if you tell me with our oline and with Ryan constricting himself to the pocket I'm not a confident fan if it's a big down and distance play, I expect the oline to not hold up to the pressure and I haven't seen our qb make a consistent individual effort to combat that weakness..the combination dare I say makes me queasy.
Disagree about Rizzi, he is suspect, when ST generates big plays every serious fan should take notice. When ST gives up big plays, every fan should take notice. To many big plays surrendered, add in Sturgis gonna Sturgis and Fields had an AWFUL year, and the unit did not cover itself with glory this season.
Yep. People forget that Fields' punt after the 3rd and 9 netted a pitiful 23 yards. A decent punt pins GB inside their own 20, a good punt forces them to go 85-90 yards. Maybe they score anyway but our pass rush was heating Rodgers up all drive so that extra 20-30 yrds would have been huge. That sounds a lot better than having RT go out and convert 3rd and 9 vs an all out blitz.
Tannehill is the one that is 0 for 9 in closing out games. The Defense is batting about 50%, which I would guess is about average.
LOL...Yes you are! So he put the heat on himself to show he had little or no faith on the people he had playing? Does Philbin look that calculating? Or was he being honest that he was afraid of turning it over at that point or giving the ball back to the other team.
