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MERGED-I hear Wallace quit??

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by speed, Dec 28, 2014.

  1. Fin-Omenal

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    Sorry that's info I cant/wont share.

    You read what I read from the same source, the info you long for was provided...and what did you do with it? Ignore it. This is why it's pointless to provide you with a detailed post.
     
  2. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If this were a one time thing I could get with what you're saying. I mean if Wake threw a fit on the sideline and got benched I'd just chalk it up to a bad moment but Wallace has been a horrible team mate a number of times already. And this after getting a complete gift of a contract that pays him like he's a top 3 or 4 WR in the NFL when he's never been that good? Cmon man, this defense is as over the top as some of the hate in this thread.
     
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  4. speed

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    Wow so immature.

    Dude, you are pitiful.

    Haters, what are we 13?

    LMFAO!
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

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    Sigh......:pity:
     
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  6. speed

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    Start acting your age. You don't know nearly as much as you think. Accept it and move on.

    And Go Bucks!!
     
  7. Tannephins

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    You sound like someone with whom it's nearly impossible to have a mature conversation.
     
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  8. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Of course Wallace would refute something that would portray him in a shockingly terrible light. Perhaps he was benched by the coaches because he quit on the field.

    https://vine.co/v/OwKJXp1t3F5

    What would you call that? I've got a word for it - shameful.

    It's just mind-numbingly stupid for anyone to take a stand to defend his actions.


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  9. Deus ex dolphin

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    I don't see how we can rebuild the WR Corp (again!) if we get rid of Hartline, Gibson and Wallace in the same offseason. We have an OL, and a defense that needs some major attention. At worst, we get rid of two of the three, but Wallace is the most talented guy and brings speed that defenses still have to respect. I'd keep Hartline if he takes a paycut, otherwise Gibson can do the same things and for cheaper. I think only one guy out of Hartline/Gibson is cut before the 2015 season.

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  10. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You don't provide anyone with "detailed posts" ever, you just do whatever this **** is.

    Joe Philbin is going to provide diplomatic coach speak without actually noting what Wallace did wrong. Teammates are acting as if Wallace quit. You're drawing the conclusion you want to draw, when in reality it's crystal clear Wallace ****ed up.
     
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  11. Deus ex dolphin

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    Sorry, I see a vet player that knows a first down was reached, avoids a block in the back on a defender, and gets away from the pile before he gets rolled up on or injured in some way.


    As disappointed as some of us fans are that Philbin gets a free pass for another year, imagine how it feels for some of the players who see the guy is just not head coach material. Wallace could have handled things in a more professional way, no doubt, but remember he gets to compare how Philbin does things in contrast with Mike Tomlin. I think it finally got to Wallace and he said some things he should have kept to himself.
     
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  12. WhiteIbanez

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    Hartline had limited opportunities this season but you didn't see him quit. He kept fighting.
    I'd keep a player like that over a quitter like Wallass all day every day regardless of talent.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    So you are ignoring what you heard in club from a guy who brings a HELLUVA lot more to this site than you....seems reasonable.

    And unless you have went back 40k posts and read what I have or have not provided, spare me the same ole BS that gets fist bumps from your sisters everytime you type a sentence. People without agendas aren't fooled by your tired game that frankly you keep losing
     
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  14. Fin-Omenal

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    You have no idea what goes on in the locker room, Hartline has proved to be a crybaby a--hole this season...he just didn't do it where the average Joe could see it, then begin with the same ole "these rich athletes" posts.
     
  15. Fin-Omenal

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    Finheaven.
     
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  16. WhiteIbanez

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    In the locker room is where frustration should be handled not on the field.
    Hartline was still fighting yesterday on that football field while Wallass was crying like TO.
     
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  17. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    you dont quit on your team period end of story.
     
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  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Jesus, some of you are strictly reading headlines.

    He acted like a b---- and got himself benched, the "he quit" drama has been disproved and false.
     
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    What Ck wrote made me think the door might be open on moving/cutting him?
     
  20. Puka-head

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    I saw it happen live. I think I'm going to buy a Wallass jersey. For my dog to poop on. Go play for the jesters you pos.
     
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    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    He can bite me. I flew 1000s of miles caught two cabs and a five hour bus ride 700 for tickets still can't talk tried to stay late hoping to see some players after the game. They all walked out as soon as the game was over and none of them would even wave at the hundreds of fans waiting outside the stadium. Asshats everyone FU
     
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  22. SICK

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    Acting like a ***** and complaining about his reps after a long TD is worse than quitting. He proved he'd rather have his stats then win the game. Hes a ****ing joke.
     
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  23. Fin-Omenal

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    That's fine, wasn't the first and won't be the last. But for posters to keep saying "he quit" because it's trendy is silly.
     
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  24. SICK

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    You played sports bro, I know you did, if a coach came to you and said "why don't you sit out the rest of the game" in the first quarter, how would you react? I would fight tooth and nail to get back into the game, especially the last one of the year. MW mailed it in.
     
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  25. bran

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    it has nothing to do with being trendy, he ****ing quit. i dont care how it is dressed up and spun at the end of the day he only cared about mike wallace and mike wallace only he didnt give two ****s about his team. the team just came off a hell of a drive and took the lead and instead of high fiving his teammates he goes into a pissy fit until the coach sat his *** on the bench. he quit on his team end of story, and its not the first time he threatened to do that according to jeff darlington.
     
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  26. jcliving

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    Wow! That is an excellent point. I would have been posting the coaches for the remainder of the game.
     
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  27. WhiteIbanez

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    All you need to know about Mike Wallace comes straight from Brandon Gibson.... Apparently.
    It was a laughable protest.
     
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  28. Fin-Omenal

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    No denying that, and I actually have had some interesting personal experiences with one of my coaches (in the GD City championship to boot) cooler heads don't always prevail unfortunately. I'm in no way defending the outburst ecspecially after we had just scored a TD, I just have seen it happen on a lot of levels and don't think it should merit the degree of hate it has.
     
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  30. SICK

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    How would you suggest a fanbase handle it? Honest question.
     
  31. bran

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    he is an asset no doubt, i have defended the guy all year and said he was doing great things but with his actions yesterday he basically just kissed all the goodwill he had developed this year goodbye.
     
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    Take it for what it is...most Wrs are *******s at this level. Did you see Dez Bryant going absolutely ballistic on the sidelines a few weeks ago in a game they were comfortably ahead? Way, WAY WORSE than Wallace's hiss fit. Nobody cared a day later.

    I believe the mole hole is being turned into a mountain by a lot of people who already dislike Wallace, I mean nobody got on Odricks case for arguing with Philbin on the sidelines. Too many people (not you) imo root for Wallace to fail and enjoy this mini-debacle by logging on and typing "FK wallace he quit" when that's not really the case.
     
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  33. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    odrick and wallace are vastly different situations.
     
  34. Fin-Omenal

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    But why is arguing with your coaches and QB one time (that we know) in 2 seasons, grounds to dismiss the fact that he has done everything asked of him and is regarded by many as the hardest working most unselfish WR on the team.

    If he was doing this BS every other week then that's a problem, this appears to be an isolated incident.
     
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    But why? The level of the argument?
     
  36. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    it is the way and when it went down. the dolphins had their best drive and just scored a touchdown.of course fans are going to be upset with that, it makes you look like you only care for yourself and not for the desired outcome of playing the game in the first place, which is to win. if the offense had gone 3 and out and at halftime he felt he needed to voice his displeasure and show some fire im down with that.

    like tannehill just said there is plenty of time to heal from all this and to forget about it. if wallace and the team take a couple of weeks and just cool down and come out and say yeah i ****ed up or say yeah im not happy how i acted or whatever and just move on. i like what wallace has done this year and i want him on the team, he makes the team better. get a big body type of receiver to go with him to help him out and tannehill and just let this **** go.
     
  37. bran

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    because odrick was arguing about being pulled from the game, he wanted to be out on the field. wallace was pissed because he didnt get the ball there is a big difference IMO.
     
  38. Fin-Omenal

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    Sounds like the players and coaches have moved on...Ryan defusing it and talking about the great things they can do, Mike supporting Joe publicly. It was an incident nobody wanted to deal with and that's on #11.
     
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  39. bran

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    definitely i just hope it will blow over.i was pissed about it and i am still to a small degree but like i said in a couple of months no one will care especially if wallace is contrite about it. then when next year comes and he is scoring td's that is all anyone will care about.
     
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  40. ToddPhin

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    Righhht, he's such a sh**ty teammate that he selflessly acted the decoy all season long so that his teammates could have more opportunities to make plays. Clay's 23 yard TD yesterday? That was designed around Wallace being a decoy. Rewatch it. Wallace was sent on a post from the left slot to freeze the safety, not just his safety but BOTH OF THEM. He didn't just freeze BOTH SAFETIES, he BUSTED THE COVERAGE to leave nobody on top of Clay who delayed his route to buy Wallace time to do his thing first, and Tannehill sat in the pocket waiting the entire time for it to develop to Clay even though Wallace was wide open down the seam before Clay became uncovered. That play was typical Wallace, something he's done all year for this offense- let Lazor & Tannehill use his presence as a decoy for the good of the offense. Yeah, real sh**ty of him. Here, I'll just give you the play:

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    Wallace is in yellow, Clay in Orange. It's 1st & 10 and Miami has been running well, yet notice the respect paid with Wallace on the field. The corner in zone opposite Wallace & Landry is giving a nice little cushion, as are the safeties 15 yards deep, and the left inside linebacker who's responsible for Wallace entering his zone has to respect Wallace's speed and might be cheating back a yard to get to his required depth if it's a pass. Not for Hartline though. He's played tight at the line. It seems Rex is content leaving him in 1 on 1 on the outside. Man if we had someone who could actually capitalize on all those 1 on 1 opportunities instead of the guy who converts them into 39 catches for 474 yards and 2 TDs on a 61.9% reception rate.


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    Safeties now at a depth of 16 yards and ready to get deeper, with the strong safety
    also keying on Wallace while paying no attention to Clay whom he's responsible for over the top.


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    Wallace should've already been hit down the seam right here, but no, Tannehill is waiting for Clay to spin around and get upfield, all while hoping the strong safety stays with Wallace and NY's front 4 can remain blocked long enough to complete the play. But why go through all that when you can just zip one to Wallace for 15+? This is why Wallace complained to Tannehill. Yes, Tannehill went on to complete a TD anyways, but it doesn't change the fact that he opted instead to wait for Clay to get open and let NY's front have more time to get after him despite Wallace already being WIDE OPEN in front of him for an immediate completion. 1 in the hand being worth 2 in the bush and all. I'm glad Wallace chewed Tannehill out for this. Even if it is designed to Clay [who is covered up up ATM] you don't pass on a free 15 yard completion in order to hopefully attempt a throw of the same distance to your TE whom you don't know for certain will actually become open.


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    Tannehill still waiting for the covered Clay to turn around and get upfield. Wallace still open for the easy completion.


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    Clay now turned upfield and open with the safety blowing the coverage thanks to Wallace.


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    Clay goes in for the score with the safety too late to get there. Clay & Tannehill get the glory, but Wallace and the Oline should get most of the credit for busting the coverage and protecting Tannehill long enough to get the ball off.


    Remember the crossing route to Hartline against Buffalo for 31 yards? Why do you think Brian had all that daylight? Look at who the receiver was on the left pulling covering with him to leave a vacated stretch of grass for Hartline to pick up 20 additional yards. It was #11. Hartline & Tannehill got all the glory & fan cheers on the play, but much of the credit goes to Wallace for creating the space. Yup, more sh***iness from Wallace.

    Why hasn't there been a safety closer to limit Miami's most efficient receiver [Landry] who's been targeted a whopping 72 times the past 8 games and caught 75% of those targets? It's because they can't while Wallace is on the field. See above images. So sh***y of Wallace to hook his teammate up with loose coverage. Prior to this Jets game, Landry hauled in 80% of his previous 89 targets. In the 2nd half against NY with Wallace out of the game, that dropped to 57% on 7 targets, one of which was a meaningless catch to end the game. Otherwise it's 50% on 6 targets, one of which was an incompletion on a crucial 4th & 5, another of which saw Landry stopped for a 2 yard gain by none other than safety Calvin Pryor.


    Did you see what happened to the offense in general when Wallace came out and Hartline moved into Wallace's X role? Excluding Miller's fluke 97 yard run on our first play of the 2nd half, the offense was shut out and moved the ball forward a total of 130 yards, including the meaningless 14 yard completion to end the game. Here's what the field looks like with Hartline substituted for Wallace:

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    9 defenders within 4 yards of the LOS. Jets are bringing 5, as the linebacker over the inside slot where Wallace previously was in the images above is now blitzing, leaving the strong safety 1 on 1 with Clay.

    Without Wallace to keep safeties honest and pull coverage with him as a decoy, our short passing game was smothered in the 2nd half, as was Tannehill with the extra pressure NY was able to bring while not really caring about Hartline over the top. That's why Tannehill was able to connect with Hartline once downfield, which I'm sure some fans got all excited about, but it came at the expense of Miami's necessary short passing game as Tannehill went 7/17 on throws of 10 yards & under and was sacked 5 times. In the first half it was a different story as Tannehill went 13/16 for 124 yards in the 10 yard & under range while getting sacked just twice and the offense putting up 17 points. Leaving Hartline on an island is a trade-off Rex or any DC is willing to make, just as they did in 2012. Someone here staunchly believed it would help the offense and Tannehill if Hartline & Wallace's roles were switched to make Hartline the downfield guy, and I told him exactly what disaster would result if that happened. Amusingly, via crazy coincidence, that poster got his wish, and like clockwork it unfolded as myself and others said it would.​
     

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