JT for a 1st and 3rd is what parcells wants?

So, basically, the max RFA tender for a Hall of Fame defensive end on the decline.

Youch.

 

There is no way in hell we get a 1st and 3rd for a 33 year player.

A 3rd would be pretty fantastic.

 

Yeah no reason a team wouldn't part ways with a 1st for a pro bowl caliber player. Taylor got a few more years left in him. I just hope he gets his ring.

 

i agree. even IF the patriots offer us their 1st round pick for JT, id take it. the patsies are gonna have like the 4th pick in the draft...even tho JT being on the pats is scary, id still prefer a #4, over a #16. with #1 and #4, we can get everyones apparent favorite: Vernon Gholston, and Chris Long.

buuuuuut this isnt Madden 08...

 

No it's not. But I sure wish it was!

God damn, Gholston and Long? Sounds like a fantasy.

 

I think we'll be able to get a late first for JT. A team like Washington comes to mind.

 

A 1st and a 3rd round pick isn't going to happen but could Bill be asking for this because he knows no one will do it?

 

A 1st and a 3rd is unlikely. A 1st is very likely. Let's make it happen.

 

I'm tleing you that no one will trade a 1st round pick for Jason Taylor. Not in a million alternate realities, including the one with President Lindsey Lohan.

No one knows how long he has left. He'll be 34 years old before next season starts. He already considered retiring this last offseason.

Anyone wanna tell me when the last time someone over 30 got a first round pick in trade?

 

That reality has bigger problems than the future of the Little Rock Dolphins.

 

I don't see JT leaving this team via trade or FA with Parcells here, only way I see JT not coming back is if he retires.

 

Now that was dam funny. So, what are you trying to say? My chances are 1 in a million? Then I've got a chance!

 

I want to keep JT on the team and draft Chris Long or Gleen dorsey with the first pick

 

I agree that this is a realistic number..

 

This team through all of its recent hardships, between the Wannsted, Saban, Bates, Cameron years and the Ricky Willams drama, etc...the only three really big name reliable players this team has had were Chris Chambers, Zach Thomas, and Jason Taylor...well we lost one to a draft this year. I think that somewhere down the line this team and its fans need to value loyality and respect. If Marino had been drafted off during his last couple of years in the NFL, you think his Dolphins legacy would be as strong as it is today? I think it would have been tarnished. Also there is something to say for being with one team your career, look how other guys who consistently are able to get picked up by other teams even if they play at a high level just aren't a great fit, Gus Ferotte comes to mind, look what he did for us, look at his start for the Rams this year.

I know there is an opposite end of the spectrum like when Junior Seau looked ready to hang it up at the end with us, only to go on to an undefeatable team but I guess the point I'm getting at is that you just don't see guys make their whole career with one team anymore. I think that regardless of what anyone offers us JT and Zach are the backbone of this team, and to think of getting rid of either of them with how little time they have left is an insult to how hard they've worked for us for so many years. I think they are entitled to finish their days as dolphins.

For their sake though, I do want them both to leave the NFL with the rings they deserve, and I don't see us being able to do that for them in the window of time they are likely to have left in the NFL.

 

Parcells is not going to trade JT. He wants to keep good players and gather more. He just said this in his interview with Mort on Monday night countdown.

 

For a first and third I would even trade him to New England, lol. Turn them into Miami Dolphins North

 

lets try and dupe spielman

 

i don't think any team is stupid enough to give up that much for one player ....wait a minute we did! for sticky ricky

 

Didn't read this whole thread so I don't know if someone mentioned it, but Parcells on ESPN said about JT "I would like to keep the good players we have and bring in some more. JT has been a good player"

To me that says it better be a damn good deal for us to trade JT away.

 

i would take a 1st and 3rd for JT

unfortunately the dolphins of 98-03 are not around to give us that

 

Or it's Parcells creating leverage for a trade he wants to make. It can be either one. We just don't know.

 

Yeah I saw that. Actually, though, he said JT is a GREAT player. To me it defies logic for a team lacking talent to trade away one of the few playmakers. People mention that Parcells likes vet QBs, which is true. However, he likes vet players, period. JT is someone who fits Parcells' player profile in that he's passionate about football and is durable. He is NOT trading away JT unless as you posted, it's a damn good deal. However, he's not trading someone who he KNOWS he can rely on, for someone who he HOPES may develop into someone who can be relied on.
Quite a few fans get way too caught up with the idea of trading away talent for draft picks. The problem is you can't know for sure whether you're getting the next Lawrence Taylor or the next Brian Bosworth. But if you've already got JT, why take the chance?

 

here is a way to look at it.most likely due to age, JT isnt gonna be around when we turn this around. why keep him?

 

We'd be doing extremely good if we got one 2nd round pick for JT. I would take that deal in a heartbeat. He's only got a couple good years left in him anyway and we need more draft picks.

 

I'm not trying to be argumentative; but what does this mean? Is there going to be a certain moment or event in time where you/we can say we've done this? Will an 8-8 season be good enough to say "we've turned this around' ?...will winning twice as many games next year be it? Playoffs? Super Bowl? Does it have to be result oriented, or could we say that the Parcells' hire is getting it turned around? The one biggest thing that completely flushed our season down the toilet was the rash of injuries to starters. Green, Brown, Bell, then Thomas, then more injuries to our safeties. Ricky injured, then Crowder, and on and on. Every team deals with injuries. We had to deal with injuries to the most key positions: QB, our primary offensive weapon, and MLB. All that was exacerbated by our lack of overall talent, lack of depth, brand new HC with new system.
My point is with a healthy team we will have a better record.

 

when we are serious playoff contenders

 

yes, crowder is playing. heard his name called tonight

 

Thanks; I can agree with that. Here are my own thoughts concerning what it will take.
A strong consistent O-line and D-line will make a huge difference.
We've had a revolving door at QB for several years, but we've never had a reliable front 5 to give whoever it was a chance to focus on doing his job. Think how many years it's been since one of our O-linemen was voted to the probowl. So IMO, we aren't that far off, and JT could very well still be here when we do become a strong playoff contender.

 

No, he is on IR.

 

No he was playing tonight, I saw him on the field and JT isn't going anywhere guys.

 

I'm sorry, but you were mistaken or the Dolphins are cheating. He was place on IR on the 22nd. Look at the roster.

http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/team/roster/roster.asp

 

I'm talking about Tim Crowder the DE from the Denver Broncos, I know Channing is on IR.

 

I love Jason Taylor.
The only thing i love more than him, is the Miami Dolphins.
He mostlikely won't be here to deal with the team ten years from now, while that first and third round picks might be contending for the title.

 

Oh, my bad. Yes i see now, Tim is different than Channing, someday I hope to learn to read better. One thing I noticed when looking at the Roster, we have nine players that were starters when placed on IR! That's a lot. The Pats have 7 total players on IR.

 

Trading JT definately makes our team worse.... no mater who you draft they will not be able to match his play... and it sounds so stupid to trade him away just to draft another DE(that wont be as good) But I guess thats what you need to do when your rebuilding and are a few years away from the playoffs.

So if we trade him the team is saying we have a couple of seasons before we will compete (which our record shows)