Question to those Guzzling the Tanny Haterade....

I agree, you just cant play soft like we do. Very seldom do we blitz.

 

ok lets go with your arguement.... why would any team draft an inexperienced QB and start him the first season? That is just not logical. So you are implying we have to wait 2-3 more years for him to have enough starts to be really good?

The packers had a HOF qb in front of Rogers, the Dolphins did not. Huge difference. The Packers did not start Rogers until 1) he was ready 2) the HOF was in decline.

 

I actually see us blitz a fair amount, they are just very poorly designed IMO.

 

Tannehill is not ALREADY in the Hall of Fame???

 

Perfect plan. That's what we need to do next year. In my mind, if we take care of those issues, this should be an excellent team - with RT at the helm.

 

While I don't believe that generally you should start a rookie QB sometimes circumstances force your hand. In that case you have to understand that there will be lumps. You just have to ignore the group that keeps citing stats from early in the process or won/loss records as proof that the QB is bad.

Tannehill is already good. He currently has the 15th best rating despite learning a new system for the first time in 6 years and since the Raider game he's played at a top 10 level. You can win a SB with a top 10 QB. You do have to wait another couple of years to see if he develops into a top 5 or elite QB (despite the pronouncements here about what he will and won't do ).

 

You draft the QB that you think will develop into the player you want. If he's inexperienced, ideally you'd have him sit, if you had a better option in front of him. If you don't have a better option, then you play your inexperienced QB, and let him take his lumps in games. It's not really a hard concept.

 

Nice oversimplified response

 

I'm not going to go through 6 pages of posts, but respond only to this post...

Not only is Tannehill not good enough to win a SB...
Neither is the offensive line which has given up 28 sacks thus for this season, nor opened running lanes for us to have a 1000+ yard rusher this season...
Neither are our receivers who have dropped passes that have hit them dead square in their chests/hands...
Neither is the defensive line as they've been exposed as a defense that can be ran all over as demonstrated by not only the Broncos, but the Jets as well...
Neither is the offensive coordinator who can't dial up a consistent game plan commensurate to our team's strengths...

Tannehill is only 1 of 52 players on the roster, not to mention the entire coaching staff. When Tannehill takes the field, there are 10 other guys out there on the field. He's not out there alone and he's executing plays he's being told to run by the coaching staff.

Let's be fair and place all of the blame where it lies....with all of the team

 

Where did you get the 28 sacks number? Or did you mean 38? Agree with pretty much everything you said, though.

 

Looked up Tanehill's stats this season thus far

 

Yeah, he's been sacked 38 times.

 

yeah but dk was passed out stone cold drunk for ten of those sacks

 

Tannehill also hung on to the ball too long for at least half of those sacks and we dont run the ball enough with one guy to have a 1000 yard rusher, although Lamar Miller is averaging 4.7 ypc bud, which is pretty damn good behind a "abortion of a line". Tannehill also has MANY terrible off the mark throws this year. But lets not blame our QB any and bring in like 6 new OL (just like last year)... I swear its like the movie groundhogs day, every year we will continue to blame the OL instead of looking at the guy whos been with all these different lineman, many OL probably wont wanna play here considering they will already know they are gonna be the scapegoat for Tannehill's shortcomings.

BTW, FYI, Tannehill plays the most important position in any sport, so you can say hes just 1 of 53, but, its not like he is the kicker, he is our god damn QB that hasn't played up to his first round top ten pick 'potential' so far in his career, and at this point, its quite clear he should of been drafted in 2nd or 3rd round despite what he does in the future whether good or bad, his first 3 years has been what a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder could accomplish... Him and Wilson should of probably switched spots in the draft....

 

Tannehill didn't succeed with his college HC who was his OC in the NFL, and that's everybody else's fault, which is why most fans wanted a new OC, but now its Lazors (brand new OC just like all the fans wanted) fault again.... These Offensive Lineman and Offensive Coordinators will never get a break in Miami, I would not wanna be an OC or OL in Miami if I was an NFL player. Taking one of those jobs, you already know your in for a lot of blame (because QB takes none).

BTW, We replaced Incognito and Johnathan Martin (who is playing well in SF, which goes to show it might not of been his fault the protection was so bad), and we got new OL, and here we are again 1 year later, crying again because our new OL can't block...

Im gonna go ahead and say most of you are going to blame the new OL next year too when RT proves again to be mediocre.... Its easy to see that is what is coming.

I can only hope we switch to a run first offense.... That is our best chance of being a winning team with RT at the helm because he has no pocket awareness.. You will all see when our OL next year once again gives up a bunch of sacks and you will be blaming Albert, James, Pouncey, and our two new OG's instead of blaming the guy with no pocket presence.

 

Martin is playing well?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Thanks, I needed that.

 

I love this guy! Apparently we have a team full of Pro-Bowlers, it's just Tannehill holding them all back and making them look bad.

 

Your reading comprehension sucks. Guy says to blame the whole team and you whine about him not wanting to blame the qb. Tannehill needs to step it for sure, but he is not the only problem. The comment about oline men not wanting to play is beyond stupid. Ou

 

Albert has played in weeks. James playing out of position. Dallas Thomas sucks. Pouncey erases several big plays with stupid penalties. Yea oline is great.

 

My point is, every OL in NFL sucks... outside of Dallas and maybe Pitt, every single team is having problems with their OL, but unlike our QB, other QB's around the league figure out a way to overcome it.... It's like you guys think our OL is the only OL in the league that is having problems.. How bout you guys watch games other then Dolphin games and gain some perspective. So please, stop acting like we are the only team with injury's, you guys make it seem like 'destiny' is against us, when the fact is, we have no big time players on this team anywhere QB, OL, WR, RB etc.,

Every team has injuries, every team has bad players that are forced to start, wake up and smell the coffee! It's the big time players that overcome it, which we dont have whether you like it or not, another year in a bad division and another year we wont be making the playoffs, another year our offense cant score in December. ALL FACTS!

 

Still doesn't change the fact that RT was way overdrafted, second rounder at best... Wilson should of been in top 10, RT should of been in 3rd round where he (Wilson) was drafted. His first 3 years couldn't have been more mediocre then it is, he's obviously a 'project' QB (that's what some posters that are overly in love with RT say themselves) that should of been drafted later in the draft, just like the guy I compare him to (Alex Smith).

Im not gonna lie, I say this because it's true and Phin fans act like im wrong and get their panties into a bunch (which is hilarious), but im not wrong. How bout you overly in love with RT lovers ask some people that aren't Dolphin fans where RT should of been drafted... They will tell you 2nd or 3rd round, because they have a better perspective not wearing orange and aqua blinders like the most of you in here...

I wish we had Russell Wilson, that guy makes a play when the pocket breaks down nearly every play. Because he is a BIG TIME PLAYER that makes BIG TIME PLAYS in BIG TIME MOMENTS!!! That is what a top ten pick looks like, not a guy whose offense can't score in December, and yes, I put on Tannehill because its a QB friendly offense in which he still looks mediocre, just like in Mike Shermans offense. I guess you guys will realize this next year when he is still mediocre with a brand new OC. 3rd year of mediocrity in 3 years with different schemes... Miami football is a joke. Sometimes I wanna punch my dad and older brother in the teeth for making me a fan of this team.

End of the day, IMO (which im entitled to), we should draft Melvin Gordon and switch to a power run game, IMO (again which im entitled to), that is the way we will see the best results as far as the MIAMI DOLPHINS and RYAN TANNEHILL and the OL 'problems' go... Every Offensive Lineman in NFL will tell you that their favorite offense is power run where they can push Defensive Lineman around and we won't be relying on RT to drop back as much and take sacks (whether holding ball to long or Dallas Thomas getting beat, as we saw this year, drafting and bringing in new OL every year isn't gonna fix the problem[RT getting sacked just like last year despite the fact we have 4 brand new OL in there starting, but yet again, its their fault], maybe its time to move on to power run and see how that works out).

 

@Patssuck, you say I blame Tannehill, I never blamed Tannehill, im just saying he isn't good enough to carry an offense which is why I would like to see our offense switch to a power run, it would benefit our offensive line (that sucks so bad like most of you claim) and our defense (a good run game keeps the D fresher on the sidelines) and Tannehill (sacks and ineffective plays would be lowered). Draft Melvin Gordon and watch this TEAM TAKE OFF!

Resnor takes that statement as me saying RT is the problem, when im only simply saying we should dumb down this offense because I believe it would benefit RT more if we had a power run... So please Patssuck, read some of my posts back on page 6 or 7 where I was coming up with ways where this TEAM (seems like most of you would rather see RT make a pro bowl [which after 3 years of watching him, he might make it in once if he is lucky] then us make it to the Super Bowl) could succeed....

P.S. I never mentioned once to sign or draft another QB, I simply think we are running the wrong offense that RT needs to succeed.

 

1 last thing for all the posters who want to draft a BIG WR in the first round, I got a question for ya..

What do Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Julio Jones, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Demaryius Thomas, Brandon Marshall, and Vincent Jackson (just a few BIG WR's that come to mind) all have in common?
THEY ALL NEVER WON A SUPERBOWL!! I truly believe that anybody that makes this argument, is a person that rather see RT personally succeed over the team's success....

Power Run Game and Good Defense (which a power run game helps the D become) and a competent QB is the best ingredient for a SB.
To name a few teams...
2013 Seattle Seahawks (R. Wilson-Competent, M. Lynch-Power Runner, and Great D)
2012 Baltimore Ravens (J. Flacco-Competent, R. Rice-Power Runner, and Great D)
2011 New York Giants (E. Manning-Competent, A. Bradshaw, B. Jacobs- Power Runners and Good D)
There is more, but really, only the 2010 Packers and 2009 Saints and 2006 Colts are the exception to the rule in the past 15 years, but they had the best QB's in the game (which we dont have, and they still had the support of decent defenses and some good running backs [except the Packers, Starks was brought in at playoff time, but A. Rodgers was on fire)...

You get my drift, switch to power run game and watch how much better our OL and Defense and QB become..

Melvin Gordon, I really hope we get ya buddy!

 

This is a strange argument to me.

2013 Seahawks had 6'5" Zach Miller.
2012 Ravens had The Ravens had 6'4" Dennis Pitta and of course the physical Anquan Boldin.
2011 Giants even had 6'6" Jake Ballard, a guy who caught more touchdowns that year than Hartline has this season. Good red zone option.
2010 Packers had 6'3" Jordy Nelson and 6'4" Jermichael Finley
2009 Saints had 6'4" Marques Colston and 6'5" Jeremy Shockey
2008 Steelers had 6'5" Heath Miller

Do I need to go on? Every single Super Bowl winner down through the 2004 Patriots has at least one starting receiver who is at least 6'4" in height. And it's not even height I so much care about as it is size and physical playing style. Aggressive players who go up and beat people for the football. Anquan Boldin is only 6'1", but he plays bigger. He might be a bit of the exception, but that's the kind of receiver that this team needs. Right now, we just have the 6'5" Dion Sims, and we don't use him nearly enough in the red zone, in my opinion.

In fact, if you really want to dig into it, you'll see that a startlingly high percentage of teams that have been the most successful over the past decade are the teams that have a 6'5" or 6'6" big man at tight end. Even if that big man isn't a Rob Gronkowski or a Jimmy Graham, the value is intriguing.

 

You're naming tight ends. Most are 6'4" and up.

 

He's naming big, elite WRs and you name a bunch of TE's?

 

Since you made me do it here we go
Z. Miller in 2013 had a piss poor 387 yards, Clay is better...
Pitta had a pedestrian 669 yards that year, nothing spectacular, Boldin had 921 yards, hardly setting the world on fire
J. Ballard had an overachieving 604 yards, once again, hardly setting the world on fire
As far as packers go, it didn't matter who they had out there, A. Rodgers is simply that good
Same thing goes for saints and Brees
2008 Heath had 514 yards and 3 tds... hardly setting the world on fire..

The funny thing is though, I mentioned how no BIG TIME BIG WR (current best, with the addition of TO and R. Moss) has ever won a SB, and you bring up a bunch of mediocre TE's who aren't even better then our current TE... So nice try bud, better luck next time..

You guys act like a BIG WR is gonna put us in the SB, it wont.. It will help us, but, as I pointed out, all the best in today's game haven't won ****... Its the proper scheme with the proper personnel that puts you in the big dance, not a Big WR.... I literally pointed that out in like my last five posts.. You acted like frickin Heath Miller, Jake Ballard and Pitta won their teams the SB by themselves when they were just decent players on Great teams in Great schemes, but once again, you acted like the scheme of the offense revolved around these bum players, when I was mentioning how the past SB winners identity of the team was a Competent QB, Power Run offense w/ a Good Defense (which a power run scheme supports). Could you imagine if we had Ryan Tannehill back when we had Ricky Williams (2002-03 edition)? We might have one more lombardi trophy in the collection....

Best Scheme for RT IMO is a power run... and as i pointed out, if history has anything to do with it, thats where our best chances are.

BTW, Thank you Jdang307 and TheHighExhaulted for pointing that out to him... Seems like someone didn't really understand what I was trying to say, he turned the argument into something completely different, if Miami won this year, he could of threw Dion Sims into that argument, after all, he included the 24 yards per game Zach Miller as if he was lighting up scoreboards.

 

Of course their skill set is being refined, compared to others doing it for fun. Reputation? On an online forum?

Sure, it's the same as the guy doing it to put food on their family's table.

Hey Stringer who do you like in this draft?
Oh by the way, if you get this wrong too many times, you need to find a new career.

 

Thank you for proving my point!

 

I think we would have big time players with the right QB ; Wallace for sure. Miller is playing very well. The staff is not giving him enough carries.

 

Are people REALLY saying now that the problem with with the offense is not the oline, it's that Tannehill is making the oline look bad?? Seriously? Absurd. Pouncey at guard has not been great. Colledge is terrible. Smith hasn't been great. Albert was very good. Juwan James was very good. Satele has done ok at center. I mean, these arguments get worse and worse.

 

I think Tannehill has earned a 4th year because of the improvement this year.

I would still invest in the QB positon this year, if someone is available we like - via trade, FA, draft whatever

 

You say my argument is absurd, yet, I have given a DETAILED (which past history SB winners support, unless we had a A. Rodgers, D. Brees, or P. Manning type QB but we don't) way on making the TEAM BETTER, not just RYAN TANNEHILL. But, it's becoming quite clear that you the type of fan that would choose a RYAN TANNEHILL Pro Bowl over a MIAMI DOLPHINS Super Bowl if given the choice.

What have you brought to this besides blaming the OL in every post? You guys blamed J. Martin, Incognito, J. Jerry, T. Clabo last year, now its Pouncey, Smith, Colledge, and D. Thomas' fault... In pro wrestler Goldbergs own words.. Whos Next? I'll tell ya, whoever is on the OL next year is getting blamed... THAT IS SO OBVIOUS!

I find it hysterical that most you fans continue to blame the OL so much after we literally spent so much of last offseason focused on OL, I believe there is a bigger problem here, considering were talking about 8 different OL that supposedly can't 'block'.

It must be the pass happy scheme (just like Mike Shermans offense was also Pass Happy) that is slowing the Dolphins Offense down, switch to a power run, it doesn't matter who is on the OL, RT can't drop back 40+ times a game and not got sacked 4+ times a game because he has no pocket presence or the 10 different OL in past two years can't 'block', I'll blame it on the ONE guy instead of the TEN different guys who played in front of him.

P.S. Your argument is old (2013 old) and a joke. I'll also say one last time, besides the Cowboys and Steelers, every OL has players on it that the coaches wish weren't playing... the whole Colts OL is an abomination to football, not just 2 guys... and thats EVERY OL in the NFL! So, please, stop acting like RT has to overcome so much, other better QB's and lesser QB's do it EVERY SINGLE YEAR, the difference between us and them, is some teams have a CEREBRAL QB (I'll use A. Luck here again because his OL is much worse then ours but he has continued to put up the most points in the NFL this year and his team in the playoffs with virtually nothing except TY Hilton making him cerebral) but we have a MIDDLE OF THE PACK QB (which RT proved the last two years as he CAN'T overcome a 'bad' OL like A. Luck) and the rest have BOTTOM OF THE PACK QB's.

 

Nothing but TY Hilton?

Wow. So first, Jon Martin is playing great for SF. And then Tannehill is making our O-line look bad. And now Luck had no one else but Hilton.

Dude, really?

 

Heheh...I have him on ignore, so I really only see what he says if someone quotes him, or reasons directly to him.

It's for my own sanity.

Btw, the quote in your Sig is so spot on.

 

Let me guess, your about to act like Reggie Wayne's career isn't about over and your gonna tell me T Richardson is a stud, and your gonna tell me A Bradshaw isn't hurt and old and your gonna tell me his OL isn't the worse in NFL and your gonna tell me that Moncrief isn't Raw talent, he's got a good TY Hilton and a couple of mediocre TE's.... but your a delusional typical phins fan who thinks RT is a a top five QB, which he.isn't, you probably thought john beck and chad henne were top five QBs too, easy to see your a blind hopeful

 

Last year he was the most sacked QB in the NFL thanks to his crappy OL, not because he was holding the ball too long. But let's blame the QB, is the easiest thing to do, right?

 

Totore, I like your points...but they're wasted on him.

 

Wow....

Okay, first of all, if you search this forum for any posts I have made, I never said that Ryan Tannehill is a top 5 QB. If anything, you'll see me see that he has potential to be great. What you'll definitely see is me saying that he has flaws, he's not perfect, etc. If you can find me a quote and link that says otherwise, then post it.

Second of all, maybe Reggie Wayne's career is about over, but he's still pretty decent as someone who's probably the fifth receiving option, Colby Fleener and Dwayne Allen -- two tight ends that split time heavily -- combined for 1,077 yards and 14 Touchdowns. That, respectively, accounts for 24% of Andrew Luck's yards and 37% of hit touchdowns (with Fleener himself having one less TD than Hilton on the year, despite splitting time with Allen). AAAAND as bad as Luck's line may be, they're giving up (so far) 12 less sacks than Ryan's line.

But funny, you call me delusional, yet constantly make up excuses for other areas of the team that are obviously not playing up to par.

 

I guess you haven't paid attention to what Badger RB's do at the next level. System backs.