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Question to those Guzzling the Tanny Haterade....

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Pennington's Limp Arm, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    efficiency and timely conversions is how russell wilson makes his impact on the result of the game..
     
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    He doesn't do that by himself. Do you think if opponemts were scoring 27, 38, 28 against them on a consistent basis they would win? I personally don't. Which is my point. If you aren't one of the elite 3-4 QBs you aren't going to win games your defense puts you into a hole in. That isn't a knock on Wilson.
     
  3. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Wilson can escape pressure and toss an accurate downfield pass over 20 yards. That helps him.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    russell wilson, Luck, and Rogers do more by themselves than any other qbs in football..I think he would score as much as he has to..

    one thing I may agree with you on is the blueprint to win..give me a good defense, a good run game, and a scrambling qb with the skill set of russell wilson and I'm good.
     
  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    What do you mean by this? Does this statement represent something you believe is missing on the Dolphins team?
     
  6. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    :lol:
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i believe so res..lol
     
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  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    LOL

    I don't really want to get into it...but do you guys not think that statement is a little disingenuous? Like, clearly Tannehill has that ability. He's done it. A bunch times. Some of his best throws have come off it. I think we ALL agree we would like to see it MORE. But that is not the same as acting like he can't do it. This is why these discussions are sort of frustrating for me.

    I'm probably a little like Shouright (shudder/facepalm) in that I see things pretty black and white sometimes. If we're going to discuss things, I just want to make sure we're actually discussing truthful things.

    I'm sorry if I'm being nitpicky.
     
  9. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    It's all about experience. That's the point you keep ignoring. I've never seen an inexperienced QB master that part of football. They all either run too often or too little. It's the experienced QB who looks fluid and in control of the game. Before that they look mechanical. That was the specific criticism of Rogers. Then he got to sit on the bench for four seasons and then come in knowing the offense cold since he'd been in the same system for four years. CKap was freaking brilliant at the pistol b/c he ran it for four years in HS and then for four years at UNR, but take him out of that system and his team is out of the playoffs too and he looks like crap. Tannehill has improved in every aspect of the game every single year. He may not have met your arbitrary numbers for rush attempts or looked as polished as guys two or three times his experience, but that expectation at this point is just unreasonable.
     
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  10. HogsHDFinsfan

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    But Tannehill also isn't as good as Joe Flacco or Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan. So lets not act like Tannehill is just behind Rodgers and Luck. There are at least a dozen QBs in the NFL better than RT.
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    damn you.
     
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  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You going to offer any sort of explanation for how you arrived at this conclusion? It wasn't that long ago that people were questioning each one of those QBs you mentioned. If anything, it's another proof of why you stick with Tannehill, since he had shown good progress each and every year. I mean, if prior to season, someone said that Tannehill would throw for close to 4000 yards, with about a 2:1 ratio of tds to ints, and a 90+ rating, I think everyone would have been ecstatic with those numbers.
     
  13. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Didn't RT throw for 3900 last year? On another forum, fans told me I was supposed to be impressed despite him crumbling in the last two games of the year, and as far as our D giving up major points non sense, they held the Jets to 13 and against that pathetic Jets D we put up 16(thats just one example that comes to mind), so don't give me that non sense, its very rare when our offense bails our D out of a bad game. Our D has bailed us out of more bad offensive games then our O has bailed us out of bad defensive games. (and its not even close)

    As far as RT's numbers, they are skewed because he will have a 1 TD no INT game but would be largely ineffective on most drives in the game.

    And the inexperience factor, thats all bullcrap, RT is in the NFL, I dont wanna give him 10+ years to develop because he was neglected of playing the position in pee wee football, give me a break.
     
  14. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Good know where you're coming from. I won't take your posts so seriously, should save me some headaches in the future.
     
  15. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I called him an Alex Smith type QB (which isnt a bad thing) and fans started saying I was calling him THE problem... Hilarious how people absorb info sometimes.
     
  16. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Its good to know you only post on Tanne threads, its shows your true colors as well, you want the 'good kid' to BE THE GUY so bad that you will overlook all his faults and direct them at other players on the team, projecting his failures on others.... i.e., We will have 100 starting OL in a five year span because RT cant develop pocket presence.
     
  17. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No, you said you diagnosed him as such. You diagnose problems. You went on to say that the only way to improve the offense is with other pieces, since Tannehill has gone as far as he can go. If that's not you saying he's a problem, I don't know what is.

    I could say something like, "Mike Wallace is a fine receiver. However, he'll never be as good as Calvin Johnson, and the only way for him to be successful is to be a slot receiver." It wouldn't then be fair to say "But I called him a fine receiver!!!" If people called me out for my stance on Wallace as being less than favorable.
     
  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Annnnd...you're wrong. Which other thread would you loss me to participate in that has nothing to do with Tannehill? They're not exactly easy to find.

    And I've never said that Tannehill has no faults. That's you making stuff up since you've been here all of a day.
     
  19. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Your absolutely right he will NEVER EVER be as good as Cal, just like RT will NEVER EVER be as good as Luck, Rodgers, Brady, any of the top 8 QB's in the league, so there you have it, his ceiling is like 9-10th best QB in league, hes currently like middle of the pack.... happy?
     
  20. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Im right, everything I said right there is absolutely true, we will have a whole new group of OL next year because Tanne cant develop pocket presence, you said it yourself, we NEED new OL. (Although if we had a TOP FLIGHT QB, we would survive under any OL)
     
  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You must work for an NFL team, given how well you can evaluate talent from your couch.
     
  22. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I live in Philly area, when I say im a Phins fan, most people ask me who the QB is... I tell them Tannehill and people will laugh at me and say they rather have Sanchez... That tells me everything too, nobody views RT as a threat in the NFL, only Phins fans on Phin forums view RT as a top 10 QB.
     
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  23. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Your doing the same thing?!?!?!? Dont act like you know more about football then me, your an armchair QB too.... Stop acting like your Don Shula with your condescending comments.
     
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  24. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    It takes 10k hours to be considered an expert in most given fields. There are a good number of people on this forum that should be considered expert evaluators.
     
  25. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    10k hours on a forum doesn't count. ;)
     
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  26. Fin-Omenal

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    Pretty sure he is kidding.....I think.
     
  27. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Fun Fact: out of the first 8 QB's taken in 2012 NFL Draft, only 2 haven't made it to the NFL playoffs, one of them is Brandon Weeden(even though it looks like he is getting there this year with the Cowboys), name the other QB that hasn't made it to the playoffs yet? I'll give you the answer: Ryan Tannehill.

    Fun Fact: the 9th QB in that draft is looking like he will make it to the playoffs this year as well (Ryan Lindley, ARI), leaving RT on a short list of QB's from that draft not to make it to the playoffs STILL...
     
  28. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Not sure I think that fact is fun.
     
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  29. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    So making fun of me, helps you and Resnor believe you guys are actually 'experts'? You dont really think your an 'expert' do ya?
     
  30. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    I'm sure they will tell me that I made that up, as the typical response from fans overly in love with RT.
     
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  31. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Never made fun of you. And yes, I would consider myself an expert.
     
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  33. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

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    Fun Fact: Making the playoffs is more an indictment of the team than it is the quarterback.
     
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  35. shamegame13

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    It's debatable, I dont see why you think its not.. one is a SB champion, the other is leading a team of nobody's to a 3rd division title in a row.
     
  36. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    And that's exactly what I KNEW a FIN FAN would say... You are all too predictable, RG3 was on a horrible redskins team with a brand new RB and virtually nothing in his WR core and took that team to playoffs, Andrew Lucks team had 2 wins the year before he took his team to playoffs, so give me a break.. QB is the most important POSITION IN SPORTS!

    Nick Foles took his team to playoffs in his 'first year in a new system'.. Something a lot of Phin fans love to bring up...

    If RT said the color of the sky was Gold (and it was still blue), most of you would argue to me that the sky is Gold, when im telling you its blue, just the way people are born i guess.
     
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  37. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    All QBs have games where they're ineffective most drives. Peyton looked like that a couple of weeks ago. Rogers looked like that this past week. Luck has had about three games like that this season. Marino had games like that too. Expecting that to not happen to Tannehill is simply unrealistic.

    And when you draft an inexperienced QB you go in knowing that it'll take time to give him that experience. That was the benefit Rogers had. Do you think that GB regrets drafting Rogers b/c he gave them nothing for four years? What would be ridiculous is drafting a raw QB, watching him improve every year and then just as he's playing at a top 10 level, give up on him b/c he's not playing at a top 5 level soon enough.
     
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  38. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Again, so he gets a free pass because he didn't get to play high school QB? And he'll never be a top 5 QB, we can put money on that if you want, for a guy that's been 'progressing' so much, he STILL can't put points on the board in December. All he did was bring his INT count down, that's it. Stats are not EVERYTHING. If they were, Tony Romo should be considered the best QB in the NFL because every year Romo has awesome stats, but its his ability to crumble in December that holds him back. Just like it looks like RT can't put up points in December. You can say 'its a team game' but the QB always gets credit for the win and credit for the loss because its the most important position in sports. 3 years and still hasn't made playoffs, and RT will never be good enough to hold Rodgers jock strap. RT has a lot more ineffective drives then the names you mentioned above. All the guys you mentioned above have put up way more points this year then RT, if you want me to dig up that stat I will.
     
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  39. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Stringer teaming up with me? Hahaha.

    Absurd. Just like most everything else you're spouting. For the record, we won't have "a whole new oline." And if we did, it wouldn't be an indictment of Tannehill. I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'm not even claiming that I know more than anyone else. I am claiming that too many people are looking at the situation in one way, and never considering that the struggles might not be all on Tannehill. I'm sorry if telling you to be more objective is offensive.
     
  40. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    If your teams speedster/playmaker has a 3.9 yards after catch average
    then your teams speedster/playmaker is having a bad year.

    Only Brandon Gibson (3.3 yac) and Richard Matthews (3.8yac) are worse than Wallace
    and this includes tight ends and running backs.

    It's sad when your teams speedster/playmaker has the same yac average as Anthony Fasano
     

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