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How much more time do we give Tannehill to prove he's got "it"?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PhinsRock, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The drops aren't more than the norm? Is that factoring in that we throw deep far less than the norm?
     
  2. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I love that I'm "annoying as sh**." How am I more annoying than the guys constantly posting the same crap over and over again about how terrible Tannehill is, even in the face of all the evidence contrary to their position?

    If anything, today was an indictment of the receivers. People crying all season about not throwing deep, well, you saw today why we don't. Our receivers fail at those plays far more often than they succeed. Tannehill showed today, again, that he can make the throws downfield. It takes a receiver to catch it, though.

    Trolls, go away.
     
  3. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    RT gave the Pats 10 points today, and he gave us 13 points. That's not good.
     
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  4. Alex44

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    He gave us at least twenty but ya know...butterfingers.
     
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  5. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    20 is fair.
     
  6. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Tannehill is quite possibly our most consistent player.

    ...and yeah...I'm including #91....
     
  7. Fins Hipster

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    That really isn't the question for me. The question for me is whether the Dolphins have the kind of quarterback play that can make them highly competitive in the league.
     
  8. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    The answer is, not right now. But he has shown some flashes and we can't tell right now if he's got it or not because there have been inconsistencies in playcalling and the line has been a disaster. Thus he will stick around another year.
     
  9. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, any one of us could sit here and talk about the flaws.

    It doesn't mean squat until you find a better alternative.
     
  10. Ducken

    Ducken Luxury Box Luxury Box

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    No doubt in my mind we have that. It's the coaching and lack of a consistently good Oline that is keeping us from being competitive. They gave up 9 sacks the last 2 games ugh
     
  11. Fins Hipster

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    It means something because it gives you an idea of the team's chances of being highly competitive.
     
  12. Fins Hipster

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    Throughout his career, there has been no strong correlation, game-by-game, between Tannehill's performance and the number of sacks the team has taken.
     
  13. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    ...so you, like, don't even watch football, do you?
     
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  14. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    We need to get to the bottom of the red zone problem, where erry time he seems to take a sack. Dolphins are in the red zone? You can bet your bottom dollar RT will take a sack.
     
  15. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Fins Hipster has got to be Shouright. Same arguments he used to use.
     
  16. HogsHDFinsfan

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    Any objective fan, can see that RT does not have "IT". He may have what it takes to get it, but right now, he's just like our team...Average, Average, Average.
     
  17. Yup hate to say it but the o-line is the biggest problem with the offense. The problem is compounded by his struggles with avoiding pressure and extending plays. They need to spend money on the line more than anything
     
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  18. shadokp

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    After today - I am sold on Tannehill. He has potential to grow and get better. He has had multiple games against different teams where he throw 6 in a row, 10 in a row, 14 in a row. His accuracy can be superb and his long ball is not completely non existent. We could gamble and try yet again but lets stick with him. I'd like to have some consistency to grow on. With a better O line and better receivers who don't drop every pass, he will be able to progress. If he does worse over the next couple of years then move on.

    i would love to give Philbin and Lazor one more chance but in this day and age, people expect instant results and so we won't be able to mature. We have to go after instant results. after today and last week I am not as much in Philbin's corner as I had been and I did see some calls that were not what I expected out of a team that had to win. I want less conservative play to push the envelope for this season and it needed to begin last week and into this week. I loved the long pass play to start and the others including the touchdown and the missed PI that cost them a touchdown - that was in the right direction. Reverses and running on 2nd and 15 and 3rd and 11 were not what I consider liberal play calling.

    I hope we don't go after Harbaugh and have to settle for someone again.

    KP
     
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  19. gilv13

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    8/10

    I honestly have no idea if your just spouting stuff, or just maximum trolling.
     
  20. finwin

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    If, and that's a big if, they can keep Pouncey from partying all season until 2am and coach him up to be a dominant run blocking center, and if Albert and Ja'wan James stay healthy all year, I think we can have an 11 win team against the NFC West and AFC South next year. Get a coach that can Maximize Jordan's potential, Will Davis will start getting ready and Taylor is already ready to start.
     
  21. 77FinFan

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    How could that line not be good? That is pretty exciting to think about.
     
  22. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    We have yet to see a good interior Oline with Pouncey in it. Dude gets ragdolled. And he wants to get paid? Good riddance!
     
  23. DPlus47

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    Good post. I wonder if Harbaugh, a former QB, might be good for Tannehill's game at this point. Tanny seems to play as if he has the athletic ability of a Tom Brady when his athletic ability is closer to that of Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick. With an immobile QB, when everything is a disaster around him, it's understandable that the offense can't do anything. Look at the opening game of this season. A QB as athletic as Tannehill needs to use that athleticism to make the game easier for himself. Maybe Harbaugh, with his personal experience at the position, might be a guy who can/could help?

    [EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm rooting for Rex in the HC derby, but I also like Harbaugh. I just wonder if it would be a fit for him.]
     
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  24. HogsHDFinsfan

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    #91? LOL. He's pathetic most games.
     
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  25. Fins Hipster

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    I don't know what kinds of effects those changes would have. What I do know is that Tannehill just got a new offensive coordinator who was the QB coach for the QB who threw the most downfield passes (20+ yards) in the air in the league last year (Nick Foles), and that coordinator responded by calling plays such that Tannehill threw the fewest such passes in the league this year. I think that probably ought to tell us something about how coaching can influence Tannehill going forward, or rather, how Tannehill might influence his coaching.
     
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  26. HogsHDFinsfan

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    Its not fans job to find an alternative. We just watch and evaluate the product on the field. Today, it sucked. Including Tannehill.
     
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  27. DolphinGreg

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    What's your take on Lazor's comments from last week? When asked about the lack of down-field attempts (particularly against Baltimore), Lazor pointed out that they are designed into many of the plays.

    Do you think Tannehill is gun-shy? Is he smart not forcing the ball into coverage?

    I definitely get the feeling that Tannehill was coached by Philbin and Sherman towards playing somewhat conservatively.

    Not only do he avoid pushing the ball down-field beyond 20 yards but he also seems somewhat inclined to force the ball into coverage. It's almost as though he chooses the wrong times to be aggressive. I don't know if he's just a little nervous of if maybe he can't "see" the coverage very well.
     
  28. Fins Hipster

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    I don't think he has a command of the position, and I think it shows in how well he knows when to make those throws, how well he's aware of pressure, how well he avoids pressure, how well he knows whether to run, etcetera. He doesn't appear to have the requisite command of the position. Now, if you can make him get the ball out quickly on short throws, then certainly he has the arm and the accuracy to make good on those sorts of plays. But outside of those comfy confines, he doesn't have the command of the position to make the plays the better QBs do regularly.
     
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  29. Rocky Raccoon

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    I don't understand it. For 15 years we've waited for a franchise QB. Failure after failure, we finally have a guy who has CLEARLY gotten better each year he's been a pro and people are anxious to exile him.

    I am not saying Tannehill doesn't have improvements to make, but if we can get the offensive line squared up he can be REALLY good. Will he ever be a top 5 QB? Probably not, but he doesn't need to be to win.

    There's zero reason to look for his replacement at this time. Zero. You fix the things around him and put him in a better position to succeed and we're fine. We have other stuff to worry about and fix if we want to finally break through this brawny wall of mediocrity. Ryan Tannehill is not one of them.
     
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  30. TooGoodForDez

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    Why does that not apply to the HC who clearly got us to that place with the QB, whereas JJ, Wanny, Saban, Cam, Parcells failed miserably, as well as Harbaugh and Rex who many are clamoring for?
     
  31. DolphinGreg

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    That's not far off from what I see.

    We need more explosive players though. One big difference when you evaluate Miami's skill positions versus the rest of the league is that you see a lot of "solid" and not a lot of "outstanding play-makers."

    I don't really blame Tannehill for being hesitant honestly. I've seen him take a shot here and there which makes me think that his conservatism is more of a conscious decision than we give him credit for.

    Who's he got that going to make a play for him? Clay isn't a big target and Sims isn't very dependable. Hartline, Gibson and Wallace don't help him much. Landry is the closest thing we've had and he's a small, slot guy.
     
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  32. MAFishFan

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    If you want him gone, screw. Dropped passes, ****ty Oline, terrible defense, turd of a coach. I hope you all get what you want. Get rid of Tannehill and start fresh. Because he's one of 5-6 bright spots on this team. He got hung out to dry today. In 28 years as a Dolphins fan I've never been more angry at a team. I feel they are gutless and led by a complete idiot. But Philbin will hopefully get **** canned at the end of the season. I'm so pissed at this team right now. Keep taking a **** all over Tannehill. Please.
     
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  33. bran

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    this oline could not stop a "rush" of 3. let that sink in for a second. 3 down lineman were beating 5 offensive lineman and beating them soundly. what the **** do you expect a qb to do? in the first half the oline held up reasonably well and tannehill was dropping bombs to receivers all over the ****ing field and the receivers did nothing to help him out.

    in the second half the oline was man handled in every conceivable way. the patriots bring just three and drop a bunch in coverage and tannehill was still under the gun.
    tannehill has vastly improved and it has shown, anyone who cannot see that is either blind or an annoying ****ing troll. is he perfect no he is not he makes mistakes just like every other qb in this league.
     
  34. resnor

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    Blaming Tannehill for the lack of the deep ball is silly. It was on display today. Tannehill slinging it, receivers dropping it. If I was Tannehill I wouldn't throw deep very often either. Let's not even get into the oline. Tannehill was on the ground after pretty much every pass that went further than 5 yards downfield.

    It's absurd.
     
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  35. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i watched the game today with 2 patriots fans(my best friend and my dad) after the first half my dad looked at me and said "tannehill would be a lot better if he had someone who could catch the ****ing ball"
     
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  36. resnor

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    It's hilarious, guys up here that I chat sports with think the anti-Tannehill guys from this forum are crazy. I talk about some of these threads, and they think I'm making it up. These are Patriots/Giants/Cowboys fans.
     
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  37. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i have the same kind of experience. it seems tannehill gets more respect from non dolphin fans than actual dolphin fans.
     
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  38. resnor

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    What part of the Shire are you from, bran? I'm up near Plymouth.
     
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  39. bran

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    claremont.
     
  40. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Nice. I like that part of the state. Had to go over there a bunch this year for my job. Pretty fond of Tremont House of Pizza.
     
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