Winless Season Could Make Cameron The Big Loser!

SO perception is bigger than reality eh? Cause in reality 1 win out of 16 sucks just as bad. STigma wont win us games nor prevent us from winning. 1 win wont magically make us more attractive to FA than 0. I dont believe you coach a team and make decisions about the team based on what the media thinks. Reporters will whine about something Criticize something.

Clueless way to run an organ. 0 and/or 1 win sucks equally as bad.

 

OK, so what have you seen at all so far to make you think that we won't be 0-4 next year? Firing a coach in the middle of a season is no good for anybody. If it's made, the decision should be made in January, so that the new coach/staff have time to work things out.
When you stop becoming the "Miami Dolphins", and start becoming the "winless Miami Dolphins" as the rest of the country now refers to us, I consider that as a sign that we are a joke.

 

So, if we win one game, is that ok? 2? 3? When is loseing ok?

Answer; Never.

But you don't kick a coach after one year unless you want to be known as the organization that can't get a coach to come to them because if you lose you'll get fired after one year or less.

 

I'm not looking for reasons to bash him....or I would center around the many bad decisions and poor clock management or the way the team plays undisciplined....but I haven't even mentioned any of that.

and I stand by my logic, if this coach leads this team, which I think we all agree is NOT the worst collection of players ever, to a record which labels them as the worst team of all time, then he should not be brought back.

 

Where did I say let's throw beer bottles? I thought in my post I mentioned team gear. I only made an example of a sign of protest that happened years ago. Stop trying to twist words around to make an arguement that isn't really there.

Nothing wrong with protesting. No fan(s) with tickets, season tickets should be witnessing a team thatt is argueably the worse team ever put together since the Buccaneers of 1976.

You protest to get it right, for once. We have gone through so many coaching changes since Shula, and some here can even say that Huizenga ran him out of here. None of those coaches have gotten it done right, and if you think Cameron has a plan, then what the hell is it? He does not have a the resume to let any of us think that things are going to be okay in the future. He is inexperienced and disorganized, and has shown a lack of game planning each Sunday.

The hell with Cameron.

 

I know...such unrealistic goals such as Win 1 or you're gone we deter any potential candidates.

 

reality is that the guy has not proven that he can win an NFL game.

If/when we win one, then that reality changes.

I really can't believe that so many here would not want the coach held accountable for a winless year.

 

Sorry, Garry, but the candidates will still be out there lining up. There aren't very many opportunities to coach in the NFL, and believe me when I say that there are plenty of coaches out there right now who look at us and wonder how we can be winless saying we should have done things their way.
The post I responded to said that Cam should stay but if we start out 0-4 next year then he should be fired. I just asked what anybody has seen to make you think that if Cam tays we;ll get any better. What is better about this team since he took over?

 

The reality is that he inherited a mess. Seriously. Many of his bad decisions are actually good decisions that are poorly executed. And those veterans that think Cam's tactics are "pop warner" will not be here next year.

 

You were laughing about refs at the Carolina game being pelted with beer bottles and having to protect themselves to get off the field. i fail to find that funny, and, if you are laughing, then, I assume you think it's ok. If i'm wrong, then, I appoligize.

It's laughable that you protest multiple coaching changes to do what? CHANGE COACHES?! lol...That's just funny. Ironic too.

If you want to not pay for tickets? Ok. I get that. Not buy merch? Ok. I get that. Toss your gear that you paid for on the field, just so you have to replace it all later when we start winning? Ok...*Stupid* IMO, but, ok. *I don't have that kind of money to throw away*....

Laughing about pelting refs with beer bottles isn't cool, IMO. Protests are fine. Assaulting people isn't.

 

Jim Bates inherited a mess middle 2004, and he managed to win a few games. All I want from Cam is 1 win.

and some of his bad decisions have been made to look good because of good execution (like when he almost blew a scoring chance at the end of the first half week 1 with horrendous clock management).

 

Did you watch coach after coach tell the Raiders..."Uhh...no thanks?" It was embarassing. They settled on Kiffen. he was like thier 15th choice. No coach wants to get a rep of being fired. if WH gets a rep like AD, fireing coaches after one year...or, heck...Why not after one or two games? I mean, if in his opinion, gameplanning is wrong, let's fire coaches after three games....four? five?

If you're Pete Carroll, getting paid zillions to coach at USC.....How are the Miami Dolphins going to lure that coach away? If you're Joe Blow, star OC, and, your choice is, the Miami Dolphins, who fire coaches that don't win after one year, and, a good college program HC...Where are you going? Clue; Not to Miami.

The question is if you are ready for this franchise to REALLY become a joke, or if you are ready to hold your chin up and, drive through, doing things the right way, rather than the hysterical way, which, I believe fireing HCs after one year is.

 

Wanny resigned. Jim Bates was a temp. Saban resigned.

If they fire Cam for being the only coach in NFL history to lose 16 games in a season, that will hardly all by itself stamp the franchise as one that overreacts and fires coaches on a whim.

 

I think that we are the biggest joke if we keep a guy who is not a good HC at all. That means we are sticking with a losing plan just to say that we don't fire HCs after one year? Nope. Not for me anyways. I respect your opinion on it though.
Plenty of coaches will line up. We are not the Raiders and Wayne is not Al Davis.
By the way, I've asked twice now; how are we a better team with Cam? There are lots of people posting why we are worse and they are all listing reasons. The only reason I hear from people wanting him to stay no matter what is that you don't fire a coach after one year. If THAT is the only reason we should keep him then it only adds to the argument of him being fired.

 

Sure about that? I don't think he's the first.

Wanny resigned. Yep. He just..Resiged. Keep tellign yourself that. (Not that i disagreed with him being given the option to resign.) Bates...Temp. why?, btw? By all accunts he seemed to do well, but, he's not been hired by anyone else, so, i assume he was unfit somhow...Saban resignd, true.

So, given the above; What is an acceptable record for a Miami Dolphins HC? 1-15? 2-14? 3-13? What's the record that will restore the Miami Dolphins to "Class?".

Answer; A class organization has patientince. WH, regardless of some people's expert knowledge, is a pretty good buisnessman. He's not trying to lose. He's trying to win. If I am convinced WH doen't care about winning, then, I'll be outraged. Until that time, I'm pretty much ok with coaches hired doing what they can to win. You give them two drafts. if after two drafts this organization isn't moving the right way, then, you terminate. Everyone will undertand that.

 

Not yet he's not

Somtimes logic does not win arguments. I won't argue that a team that is winless at this point has systemic issues. I've never argued that. you simply don't just fire a coach after one year. If we do that then, why not fire the HC after a bad game? Or, two bad games? Three? There's just a line you don't cross.

 

100% positive that he would be the first and only.

as to your question:

Answer: there isn't a specific reord, just don't make the 2007 Dolphins the poster child for NFL futility. Don't make them an all-time punchline. That is all that I am requiring. Hopefully WH's standards are at least that high.

 

You kidding?

You only consider the posters for why we are worse because you agree with their reasons, dont matter that the reasons are illogical, just you agree. SO really the thousands of reasons given for why we in the long run arent worse are simply not considered becuase you dont like them.

Here they are again.

1. youth, quality youth
A. Beck is showing well
B Satele is a potential Allpro playing very well
C Ginn progressing nicely
D Jason Allen playing well finally

2. finally rebuilding rather than re-patching which was sorely needed.

3. Players are united as a team finally, not as a unit but as a team, it isnt defense vs offense, lineman vs backs etc. extreme Positive.


Those 3 reasons alone constitute keeping Cam for another year

 

We're not a better team with Cam. We've regressed from a 6-10 team to (hopefully) a 1-15 team.

Through 11 games last year, we scored more points than this year. Granted, the defense helped out with a few scores last year - and Ginn has added a special teams score this year. But I'm certainly not seeing any real offensive improvements on the scoreboard.

People can say it's because Green and Brown got injured. But, really, there were more injuries last year on the offensive line and none this year.

As for the good coaches that started poorly, how many of those coaches regressed 5 or 6 games their first year? I would venture to guess "None".

Jimmy Johnson took a 3-13 team, traded away their feature back for a boatload of picks, and only regressed 2 games. Most of the other coaches mentioned with bad 1st years actually improved (or as least stayed even with) the teams record from the prior year.

 

your exaggeration is killing me....HUGE difference between a winless season and 1-3 bad games.

as for that line you don't cross. Rod Rust HC of NE Patriots 1990, 1-15 record, fired after 1 year. How has that franchise rebounded from crossing that uncrossable line??

 

LOL you dont run a team based on what the media reports, what they think, then you are Al Davis. Period end of story and totally ridiculous to make decisions on your future based on what the media will call your rebuilding season. Nonsense

 

Good post. I'm glad someone named some sort of reasons.
The reasons to let him go are plenty logical, if you choose to read them. Heck, we all want the same thing, we just disagree on how to get there.
Youth, quality youth? What was the Green move then? Porter? That isn't patching? Ginn has progressed but has he justified his being picked at number 9? Beck does look good. His draft was hit or miss, and really won't pan out until we see how good Quinn is.
The funny thing is, Mueller is the GM and should be held mainly responsible for our drafts. The coaching itself has been miserable.
Despite your reasons, we are still 0-11 and worse than when he got here.

 

I'm not talking about the media....it's the whole world. The media doesn't need to report it and comment on it for the whole world to no that if we lose all 16 we are the worst ever.

How do you think that WH will feel walking into the billionaires boys club hearing all the snickers and whispers how he's running the worst organization in the sport, and still paying the coach who was responsible for the biggest embarrassment in the history of the sport?

How do you feel as a fan under the same circumstances?

How do the players hold their heads up before friends and family when they are the laughing stock of the sports world and that the same man who led them to infamy is still in charge? How do they rally behind the coach that led them to this never before seen unpromised land?

 

Green was brought in as a short term bridge and mentor top the l/t plan in Beck, Green move was solely made for Beck, was tool to make Beck successful.

Porter is only 30, while not youth, not old either, clearly a bridge between the past and teh future. he was brought in so next year and teh year after, he was teh vet the newbies looked to.

Equally the thought was try to win while we are rebuilding, Green and Porter were thought to be able to help with that. Injuries killed that so we are just rebuilding but that was teh idea at the time. But in who they let go and the focus in the draft, it is clear youth is a priority.

 

I hate 0-16, I hate 1-15, I hate 5-11 equally, it means that we suck, period. and sucking is sucking and can care less what the WORLD thinks so long as next year we improve and that is the the question is do we suck going forward? DO we suck next year and teh year after if we keep Cam? I dont think so, at least dont think that it is evident right now that we will.

We went from losing because our defense couldnt stop a severely wounded duck from running on them and giving up 40+ points a game but an offense that was avg 22.3 points a game the first 6 games to a defense that made improvements, no not super defense, but vastly improved and an offense riddled by injury at rb and on their 3rd qb. Yes IMO the third qb is the best qb we have but is raw and needs to develop so will take time. But are positives iMO going forward and warrants seeing what Cam canb do with improvement in talent and healthy players.

 

Excuses. More excuses. Thats all Cam gets because it's all he has.
We paid Green a TON to play QB, not coach. Add that money to the 5 mil we were already paying DC. If we wanted Green to coach, then we should have hired him as one. He couldn't actually PLAY QB for anything. I believe that he was the worst QB statiscally in the league when he went down. Cam just handed him the job.
I asked for reasons why we were better wth him as a HC, and you pretty much listed the draft. Maybe Mueller needs to help Cam coach, too.

 

Excuses? LOL lets resort to that comeback. Yeap so your are saying with the exact same roster with the same circumstances Parcells or Cowher would have us up there with NE and Indi? If not your pointless to argue with. Excuses? Please! There is a huige diff in what i said and making excuses. obviously I am not the blind one.

We avg 22.3 points agame with Trent Green at qb. Ronnie Brown was all pro. Give me something else. As if we are trying to prove something to you as if you make the decisions. Excuses? It is you looking for any excuse to get rid of Cam because you dont like him. Say you dont it is evident other wise. Were you a Pepp fan? because you act like it.

You keep looking for reasons from us yet FAIL to give any FACTs to back up why Canm sucks. I aint making excuses, all I said was based on FACTS (it is fact we have numerous injuries, we are starting our 3rd qb, iit is a fact we have 3 safeties on IR, that Zach hasnt/wont playt in 7 straight games, it is fact that we have not started the same defensive 11 at any poin this season) that Cam deserves more time so we dont give up on a coach that could turn out to be good. You on the other hand want to sit and judge others post without anty real rational reason why he wont improve.

 

if we keep improving the way you describe we will win a game by the end of the year. Heck, if we have improved as you think we already have, then we will win this week. and then we won't have to worry about handling 0-16.

but what if we don't win any of our next 5 games, 4 of which are very winnable? How much can we have really improved if we can't win 1?

 

I understand what you are saying there. and teh answer is I dont know. I dont know if we will improve. I dont know we get better. But firing Cam and hring who will guarentee we get better? You have to be able to say that clearly the coaching is predominately to blame and that that one move automatically improves our chances to get better. I am sorry but right now I cant say that. I cant. I see many reasons for why we are were we are. Cam has culpability in it, but he hasnt been the reason we lost. Go over to phinchat and talk to ck and read what boomer has to say as well, not name dropping but I know I am not the respected poster like they are. They say what I am only more succinctly.

 

well... they say that when you loose is when you learn the most... so are we in a reaaaaallly goood learning period?

i would love to think this way... but... in my opinion, the game against PAts in New England is a really important game, since we allways give them a nice fight... if he proves he has character, i'd let him stay. 1 year is tooo soon to fire CAm

 

*scratches head*

Hmm, I COULD'VE SWORN I put in bold at what I was laughing about. The NFL changing the bottles from glass to plastic because of the fans, not the fact that they were throwing glass bottles at the refs. BUT OKAY! Keep changing it around to try to make yourself right. LOL.

 

This is a funny/sad situation all in one. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and we both concluded Cam needs to win probably one game to keep his job.

Its just funny that the standard to keep your job for Huizenga is ONE win. One measly, and at this point meaningless, win. That should do it.

 

And you would support this type of action??? That is just sad bro....

 

Man you are SOOOOOOOOOOOO right!!! All those that are out here claiming a head on the platter has NO IDEA what a mess this team has been in since 2000. They have NO IDEA that continuity in a team is as important as talent!!! They have NO IDEA that many teams have started with first year coaches as 1-15 and became winners in the second year. They are only looking to the present and have NO IDEA what tomorrow brings...

 

Well I can say that the offense is better... Granted the past few weeks have not jumped out and stated that, but how many games did Ronnie rush for over 100 yards? How many games did Chatman, in relief of Ronnie, rush for over 100 yards? How many times has the QB been sacked this year?

Now look back to last year or the year before... See any improvement?

 

OK, Beck. You listen to the facts as they are posted here, but you choose not to listen.
Keep on drinking that Cam kool-aid. He can do no wrong, according to you. I refuse to, and see things for what they are.
We will have to agree to disagree, and I respect the fact that we have a difference in opinion.
Time will tell.

 

Good point Fin. How many TDs have we scored the past 3 games? Houk has done a great job with the line. Our "offensive guru" is the one that is the problem, imo.
We'll see. If Cam comes back, I'll hope that we win every game, but as of right now, I' don't think that he's the best coach for this team.
Lets just all agree on us getting a win against the dastardly Jets!

 

I understand your point as well but you can NOT judge a man by wins and losses alone... You have to look past those and see that they are improving every week... And they are!