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How can the miami dolphins defeat this losing culture?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Dec 10, 2014.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Well 2 years in a row with the same coach same result.Thats not to far in the past for you is it?
     
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  2. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I think your nuts thinking we are going to beat the pats but at the same time I hope your right.
     
  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If it makes you feel any better, you probably thought I was nuts when I said we'd whoop them in week one....so there's that. I'm also 9-2 on my picks for the year and a perfect 6-0 picking our division games, so trust me when I say that I'm not the type of guy that just throws random ideas out there without looking at facts first. Because the fact is that Brady ALWAYS struggles against Miami's pass rush, their defense can't handle all our underneath routes, and we always save all of our gimmicks, trick plays and new formations for New England.

    That's why we're 2-0 against them in the past 12 months...so it's not just a pipe dream. We have a legitimate shot at sweeping them this season.
     
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  4. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Ok were 2-0 at home but 0-7 in foxboro.Im thinking 34-14 pats but will glady take 24-20 miami so we will find out on sunday.I just think they are going to run it down our throats.
     
  5. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    So switching from man blocking mauler OL to a zone blocking finesse OL is talent development vs personnel fit?
     
  6. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I was with ya week 1, had NO worries about NE at all...still don't. I was called crazy too. I've been wrong on only 3 games this year...KC, Chicago, Baltimore, from my pre-season picks. Dead-on for div games so far.

    I was on the fence for the 2nd NE game then since it's in NE, and the league likes them to win there, but now I'm on the "we win" side, in spite of injuries and current trends. Not worried at all...we got this and will finish 10-6.
     
  7. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Kudos to you both if we win.
     
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  8. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    LOL. My sig says how I feel. You either believe in Lombardi's philosophy or you don't. I think the reality is people have the need to feel important or to matter. Fact is, and Lombardi explains it well, each year there is one winner. Everyone else is a loser. If you don't win the super-bowl - They have failed. There is only one trophy.

    As far as appropriate level of anger or cynicism, It is really tough to watch the team you love slowly go down the ****ter. This franchise really was one of the most respected in all of sports for a long - long time. In fact for a while the Miami Dolphins were the winningist team in sports history - all sports, not just football
     
  9. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Different playcaller tho, a rookie too, and on top a guy allergic to run who is praised for read option running. One step forwards, +70 improvement in scoring differential, improvement in moving the ball, but same record. There you go.
     
  10. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Philbin was a power point presentator in Green Bay and after 3 years in Miami he still needs to learn what it is to be a HC.
     
  11. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The older generation in my family, whom I inherited my fandom from, cannot even make it through a quarter of a Dolphins game without getting upset.

    Legitimately half of them can't even watch the whole game, haha.

    I guess it's blessing in disguise for me. Unlike a lot of fans, I can appreciate this team as being an upgrade.

    So long as I've been a fan, Miami's been a train wreck, lol.


    I don't even know if I'd feel comfortable rooting for Miami as a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

    I've been rooting for under-dogs for over a decade.

    I think I'd have to root against us if we actually made the Super Bowl. ;)
     
  12. djphinfan

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    coyle is in a three game stretch where his defense literally cannot stop offenses.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    You have to identify a franchise QB (we MAY have), then you need to build around him. Tale as old as time, but that's how you set your franchise up for success. Easier said than done ofcourse.
     
  14. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Your right we may have him but nobodys for sure.Right now I would say at the moment tannehill is not a franchise qb but hopefully can become one in the future.His stats are nice but the nfl only has about 6 or 7 true franchise qbs in my book.
    My definition of a franchise qb is guy that can carry a team on his back and carry them to victory when the team is not that talented.Luck comes to mind because no doubt in my mind we have more talent than that team.At the moment tannehill needs a great team and coaching staff to get into the postseason and it looks like thats not the case.
     
  15. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Brady, Manning, Brees, Ben, Rivers are all nearing the end. In a couple years it'll be Luck, Flacco, Stafford, etc and Imo Tannehill should be in the top 6-7 if he continues to progress.
     
  16. finwin

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    Saban Pfft. He drafted Ronnie Brown instead of Aaron Rodgers. He supposedly was a college coach the year of the draft so that just tells me he wouldn't know talent if it bit him in the face. Shula ate Pete Carrolls lunch almost every week. I've thought for a while the NFL was a bunch of luck and a sham perpetrated by the refs. That Ravens game would not have gone the way it did if the refs didn't cheat. Our last two Ravens games were a sham. The phantom illegal man down field calls, roughing the passer not called, holding on Forsetts big run not called, Pass interference not called on Denver on our tipped ball in the last drive. I'm not making excuses but too often the refs decide these things based on poor judgement. If there was any justice, Ross would have sent a scathing letter to the NFL and we'd get some justice due us against the Pats, that is if we can halfway compete.
     
  17. Da 'Fins

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    I agree with you (I think the culture of mediocrity has moved from one group to the next in the overlap of players). I think that talent is a big factor and developing a real identity from a strong head coach (not a rah-rah guy, but it could be one with a great system; we don't have a coach who has an identity, unfortunately).
     
  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I agree with the reffing issues...but, pretty sure you can't have pass interference on a tipped ball.
     
  19. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    The New England Patriots, as much as I do not care for them, are a perfect example of what you buy in to. This team does not consistently compete for the super-bowl because they believe 9-6 is good enough. They actually believe they are going to win the super-bowl every year. If you do not have that mentality on that team you will not be there for long.

    That is culture and that is Bill Bellicheck!! It does not matter who you are either, how many big name guys have we seen go there and end up leaving. It starts with attitude, you ain't got it you go play somewhere else - simple philosophy.

    IMO any fan, player or coach who does not set winning the super-bowl as the goal each year is setting the culture level at less then what it takes to win the Super-bowl. One rarely if ever will achieve Super-Bowl Champion status unless that is the ultimate goal. Talking about it and actually doing what it takes to achieve it are world's apart. Personally, I wouldn't want anyone that doesn't set the super-bowl as the goal and puts the team first on my team. It is hard enough to win the super-bowl without setting your goal to be anything less. Why would anyone do that to their team? Because it is their "J.O.B." I can't stand it when a player says that. It is like the player who has a break out year the season before or the season of his new contract. If that was the case on my team and I thought that in previous years that player was coasting, I would cut their ***. No room for that mentality on my team. Happens all the time. Run 95% so I don't get hurt. Don't catch that ball because I am afraid I am going to get hit when I catch it. That kind of stuff gets in the fabric of what your trying to accomplish. The player is in longevity mode so they can get paid as long as possible. Never win the super-bowl like that. It takes everyone coming in early and staying late. It takes guys working on timing and running routes on days off to make a difference.

    Not sure if I see that kind of stuff at the Miami Dolphins. Not consistently enough that they leave it all on the field every game.

    And this is the main point. If this is not the culture Philbin and Company has instilled, if this is not the culture Philbin and Co expect on a daily basis, then Philbin and Co need to disappear because we are just spinning our wheels in the Mud of Mediocrity.
     
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  20. RGF

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    That's exactly right and its pretty easy to realize were just spinning our wheels again. Example, we were 5-3 after 8 games, since then we are 2-3....IF we lose out were 7-9 and losers of 6 out of our last 8 games. HOWEVER, there are some posters here that claim this team is on the rise and they seen enough ALREADY from this team to retain Philbin regardless of what happens the last 3 games. Comical ? Insane ? or just plain Sad ? I`m not sure what to call it but knowledgeably logical sure isn't it.
     
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  21. djphinfan

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    theres actually someone on this board going around acting like philbin is untouchable even if he loses the last four games, including the jets and vikings at home...

    hehehheheheheehhe...maybe philbins family member or something.
     
  22. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I did read somewhere since 2000 only 4 coaches had been fired with an 8-8 record or better.Thats scary because I want this guy gone even at 9-7.
     
  23. Alex44

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    And someone who says to lock him in to a ten year contract. Probably Jeff Ireland trolling us.
     
  24. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Never thought of that. Now it all makes perfect sense...Philbins family member. Great observation.
     
  25. finwin

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    I believe Grimes was called for a pass interference on a clean interception once last year?
     
  26. Coral Reefer

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    The caveat to that is that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the JJ or Saban hires.
    Both are great coaches and both were smart moves.

    Both simply had odd/crazy outcomes that no one in the organization could have foreseen.

    I'll take the risk for quality hires anytime versus the crap that has walked our sidelines starting with the Wanny years up till now.

    Count me in on the Harbaugh train if we can get it done.
     
  27. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Continuity is the only way. There has to be reason for it though. I saw no reason for it with Sherman here, I see reason for it with Lazor here though.
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    ???

    What does that have to do with a tipped ball? I could be wrong, but my understanding is that on a tipped ball, there is no pass interference...

    EDIT: per ESPN:

    The rule in these situations seems clear. According to NFL Rule 8, Section 5, Article 1: "Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched." Therefore, any contact that occurs after it is touched -- i.e., McCray's tip -- is legal. A case example provided includes this assertion: "Interference rules ended when defensive player touched the pass."
     
  29. DolphinGreg

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    "Continuity" is becoming the new "Big Bang."

    While I support keeping Hickey and Tannehill (and am therefore willing to accept Lazor and Philbin on the short term), I take offense at the word "continuity" as it's begun to appear on this forum.

    It's a meaningless phrase used by people who want to sum up what's wrong with my perspective.

    When I used the word "continuity" it was to describe the result of my plan.

    People took it to be the reason for my plan.

    Therefore, I'm not going to use the word "continuity" anymore.
     
  30. finwin

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    The opinion about the bouncing off the shoulder pads of a Broncos defender wasn't a forgone final conclusion and ruling by the refs. Landry's arm was held down while the ball was in the air.
     
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    If this team finishes 9-7, then the team won the games they were suppose to win. I do not see how you fire a coach where the team performed to expectations.
     
  32. Piston Honda

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    Thats something I find puzzling. No one was expecting more than 9-10 wins this year, most expected 7-8. At some point the goal posts were moved and now 9 wins is a fireable offense, as if we began the year as a 11+ win team and somehow underachieved. It just doesn't make sense.
     
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  33. pumpdogs

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    In year three my expectations are playoffs.Week 15 we are 9th ranked team in afc and that's mediocre.Mediocre unacceptable!
     
  34. jcliving

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    Given the challenges Philbin has faced, I do not believe you are taking a realistic look at the three years.
     
  35. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I did a little looking to see if I could figure out why people so easily accept mediocrity. Psychologically they crave success. So to ensure that dopamine trip they set the bar low. It assures success and feeling like a winner. It also gives the allure of Hope for the next season. It is to protect themselves from failure. Most of these people's Ego will not allow them to admit to themselves that their acceptance of mediocrity is really their selfish need to be a winner. To feel like they succeeded. They just do it on a different level. So that level is set lower to ensure success. The fact that others also have the same psychological flaw creates social acceptance, further enhancing that feeling of success, because know it is even easier to justify in their mind when others accept their views and except their point of view. They now feel like they belong and that is a powerful - powerful feeling.

    To further feed their ego these types of people will often resort to name calling, degrading comments and making every excuse in the book why the bar is set as low as it is, including making stuff up like the term "baby steps". Their abilities to rationalize and think logically have been compromised. The desire to be socially accepted is so strong that these people will use any excuse to justify to themselves that they are in fact acting rationally.

    I am not suggesting these are bad people only that normal people have a strong desire to be accepted socially. After all isn't the reason we all come to this board is to be socially accepted. Well, most of us. Some come to just troll.
     
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  36. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    We had 3 games in which we played like losers this year: at Bills, vs Chiefs and vs Ravens.
    When you go play GB, Pats, Ravens, you respect them, and you fear them, because they rarely or never play like losers. On the other hand, no one respects the Raiders, cause they often play like losers, like we played at Bills, and vs the Chiefs and Ravens.
    We need to eliminate those games. This year we had 3 so far.

    In general, there are many reasons, talent, scheme, coaches.
    For us this year, the reason was Bill Lazor and his unbalanced playcalling, deference to RT to do what the D gives him which is to keep passing, instead of playing balanced football. This problem crept up in games against GB and DET and to an extent at Denver, the problem of unwillingness to run. in those games, even tho we did not play like losers, in crucial moments we failed to milk the clock. And that was the season boys and girls.
     
  37. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Please! Every coach has challenges and the good coaches overcome them and unless they win on sunday he has failed.Doesn't take a rocket scientist to fiqure out we needed to chip elvis to help thomas out last week.
    I didn't like this guy from day one after watching hard knocks and the only reason he is the coach is because ross is a clown and nobody else wanted the job.
     
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    Most likely true.
     
  39. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    No that is not true.

    Since Stephen Ross took over, and during Mike Dee's tenure, you heard in the interviews, they kept telling the FO they want fan experience and a fun product on the field. The powerball meatheads did not listen. I kept thinking, those guys, Ireland, Sparano, Parcells are idiots, they don't get it, and they did not get it. Of course.

    Ross went to a SB winning organization, with a fun system, the GB Packers, and got one of their top guys to install what is fun and what works. And that guy is Philbin and he delivered.

    (And that Harbaugh thing, is all Ireland, that's powerball mentality.)
     
  40. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    WTF up with the clown?Freaking me out.
     

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