You can say whatever you want about Manziel but I'll be watching his games whoever drafts him. I liked watching him at A&M and I'll watch him in the pros. He might be a bust who knows, but if you don't like watching him play then I don't know why you watch football.
I thoroughly understand the risks of Manzeil, like a lot of folks have said, he's an extremely difficult evaluation because of the size, frame, and injury factor..I believe he will go the Russell Wilson route when scrambling, I think he's smart enough and talented enough to do so, and that's what some forget, that's talent, having the ability to stay enough distance away and the brains to get down will require talent, he's extremely talented, making reads from the pocket is not the only way to win anymore. Embrace his excellence, only aquire players that understand what he is, and that will compliment his skillset, complete rebuild of your team, get rid of everyone that will complain about how he plays, and let the player lead your team. People forget about vision in a Qb..this player sees things quickly, a broad perspective of the field, and reacts even quicker.
He really seems to be working hard to get better which I don't think is an act. If he doesn't succeed it won't be because he's timid or doesn't work hard it will be because he just didn't physically have the talent which I don't think is the case. He may never win a Superbowl, he just might though, but I think he will be an exciting player in the league for years.
"I'm not afraid of anything." Doesn't throw at the combine. Sound logic. I like him at the top of the 2nd round, with Gus Bradley's Jaguars.
Glad to see the Dolphins were there. Not for Manziel, but for Evans. If he somehow falls to 19 (and I can't see how that happens) they should draft him. He is going to be a flat out stud.
This is what I'm guessing will happen. Johnny Manziel showed up to the NFL quite predictably thinking he owned the place and could do whatever the hell he wanted. The hard part (getting drafted) was over, and now he could just party like it's 1999. He partied every weekend, sometimes every night, and as a result he lost the job to Brian Hoyer. And for a while, Hoyer was having so much success that Johnny had to be thinking he may have blown it with the Browns period, and he may have to be traded to some other team. That's a wake-up call. Or it should have been. I'm guessing that because of it, probably for the first time in his football career including college, he actually started watching film, learning the playbook, and learning the game plans...ESPECIALLY over the last couple of weeks when Hoyer's performance started to slip. So he's going to show up to the game this weekend actually prepared, which is kind of a new thing for Johnny Manziel, and though I don't think he's going to light anything up, I do think he's going to play decent because he's taking things seriously. But that's where things will go downhill again. All the fanbase, local and national media will need to see in order to re-ignite "Johnny Football" will be him performing decent. They won't need to see him playing great in order to begin the hype wagon again. And once that hype begins, and the Browns probably let Brian Hoyer walk in the offseason, Johnny will be back to not taking things seriously again. He'll be drinking again. He'll be snorting more coke. He'll be doing the appearance circuit again, commercials, etc.
I dont think Cleveland has a franchise quarterback in their roster, maybe they got a quality starter in their practice squad in Connor Shaw.... But Unless Manziel starts taking the everyday duties of a quarterback more seriously, he is going to be out of this league in 2 seasons and Cleveland will be drafting quarterback again.
The debate I was having with most was about whether or not his game will translate, most said it wouldn't.
I doubt it will. He's got no special speed or athleticism, or size, and he's not good at avoiding contact. He's not cerebral about the position.
i respect your stance, and to do it before he really plays. ill disagree, I think with his ability to complete some short stuff, to make plays on his own at a high level, and the smarts to know how to play with a great player like gordon and jordan, it will be enough to say he can play in the league.
Boy was I wrong. Manziel wasn't prepared to go out there and play anything like a real football player today. They averaged 2.6 net yards per pass with him. Plus two interceptions. That's amazing. I've never seen a QBR (ESPN's quarterback rating) of 1.0 before. What an accomplishment. I thought he'd have learned a little something from his losing the job to Hoyer and all that, actually show up to the game having studied like never before in his life. Dead wrong. I doubt he knows how to prepare, even if he wanted to.
Yeah, I watched the entire game. It was one of the worst debuts I had ever seen. It took over halfway through the 2nd quarter before he had a total of 10 yards passing. It was sad and funny at the same time. Can't believe it was THAT bad.
At one point, the commentators and Bengals defenders were making fun of him at the same time. It was hilarious.
Johnny showed just how much of a joke him going in the first round was. That decision was completely dictated by ownership who wanted to sell some merchandise and a few more season tickets. This guy cannot play in this league. He's too small, doesn't have enough arm, and doesn't know how to prepare.
Tried to tell people this would be the case. I'm no draft guru but I'm usually pretty good with offensive skill positions. Sometimes there are just players you see and know don't transition well.
In my eyes he was worth the risk of a third-fourth tounder for a QB hungry team but that was about it. I actually think Cato who CK loves is a better pro prospect.
I wish others saw it that way. The Manning Award people see Cato as one of the top four senior QBs in college football (the other three being Blake Sims, Bryce Petty and Garrett Grayson). They have Cato as a Finalist with those three for best quarterback in college football, along with the underclassmen like Marcus Mariota, Brett Hundley, Dak Prescott, Cody Kessler, Jameis Winston, J.T. Barrett and Trevone Boykin. That's a big deal. However I am told that CURRENTLY the Senior Bowl AND Shrine Game are freezing him out. He might have to play in the NFLPA game. That would be positively ludicrous and a poor reflection on those games.
I'm still trying to figure out what round Cato goes in. Honestly if you're looking at him for us the disrespect is a major positive. I don't see us taking a QB early but I sure could see us taking one to develop between the 5th and 7th. How would you say his speed and fluidity compare to a QB like Tannehill? We may be changing offensive coordinators when Philbin is gone but as of now I personally think he fits the offense we run.
Speed and fluidity are so much better than Tannehill because he's just so much more of a twitchy, well-coordinated athlete. Which you honestly might expect from a guy who is built more like a corner than an NFL quarterback. The comparison between he and Tannehill, in terms of what will come out unfavorably for Cato, will be between-the-ears and pure throwing ability. I think Tannehill drills his throws just a little more consistently, and by now as he's a three-year pro he has more tape of him showing excellent ball placement while drilling the throw. This is not a criticism exclusive to Cato by any means. Most, pretty much every college QB comes to the NFL and realize they've got to drill throws that they didn't drill in college. When you do that, it can affect your ball placement. Some guys just can't rip it and still be consistently accurate. I think Cato can, but at this point you know that Tannehill can...so he's got that advantage over most incoming college prospects. Then when it comes to the stuff between the ears, you know that (even though Tannehill took a lot of lumps this way early in the year) he can go out there and manage information and run an NFL offense. You don't know that with Cato and furthermore some of his interviews could make personnel people squeamish because of the way he speaks.
One interesting idea would be to see Malzahn paired with Cato. That could potentially alleviate some of the worry about his game between the ears as he develops. Of course its a pipe dream. Honestly I don't listen to how a QB speaks but rather what he says. For instance Geno Smith speaks fairly well, but when I saw him questioned on the QB camp thing...there was no content in his words and he seemed extremely stupid.
It matters more to me what they're saying about football. I don't need them to speak well or even have a lot of thought behind what they say but I need them to be a wiz on the chalkboard. They need to intuitively and quickly understand new football concepts that you're trying to talk to them about. And from there you need to see how well they communicate on the field. That's one thing about Cato. He's a communicative guy on the field. Hell he doesn't shut up on the sidelines and some may view that as a bit of an annoyance. On the field itself, he's constantly communicating to everyone before the play and the communication is so ingrained in him that he actually directs a lot of traffic DURING the play. There's a reason I went through a specific point linking clips of him directing traffic on the field. When he's scrambling around he's still being a field general, telling a receiver to come back to him so that he can hit him, or telling a receiver to go long. He directs blockers to pick up targets if he's trying to run. You have to be a naturally communicative guy, and you also have to hell of a quick twitch mind in order to process all of that and do it during live fire. I don't see Tannehill doing that sort of thing. Just think about the presence of mind and the natural communicativeness it takes for a guy to be doing some of this DURING plays:
Im not even sure if another year in Texas A&M would have helped... The guy would probably have had another great year stat wise, but it would have been another parade after the game every week. Ive read stories that even Kevin Sumlin would show up to these parties and be the center of attention even more so than Johnny. Which was like Joakim Noah being the center of attention at the parties over Tebow - which he was by the way. My point is Another year would not have helped him develop discipline.
Not surprised by Manziel's poor showing. I had a 3rd-5th round grade on him assuming you were willing to put up with all the extra baggage. IMO those who had him in the first round just made a poor evaluation. I think some people just so overestimate the importance of being able to run around that they forget that being able to attack from the pocket is still the QB's most important job. And on top of that Manziel's athletic ability was not good enough to make anyone reasonably believe he could run around that much at the next level. As for Cato, my concern is whether he can make all the throws. I haven't watched a ton of him so I'm not making any definitive statement here. It just seems to me that he really has to wind up when making the longer throws.
looks like I'm gonna be taking some lumps on Manziel unless he turns things around.. As far as Cato, that was my concern as well, I brought it up when discussing him with Ck, he showed me a bunch of throws, It just seems like his arm strength is a bit weak, overall I notice it from a broad view of looking at him throw the ball, and because of the way he's built, I worry a bit, but damn do I love his heart, the way he expresses himself, his leadership..Its early in the process, a lot of film left to watch on him..
I think his build contributes to the perception that he's not got the arm to get the football around. But personally I look at his throws while rolling left, rolling right, under pressure, the throws he makes from opposite hash to sideline, the fact that he's been a tremendous deep ball thrower (cited by Terry Bowden as one of the best he's ever seen) since he was a true freshman, and I have to say...get beyond his frame, that ball is coming out hot. My velocity testings have shown it much more explicitly.
Ouch, Johnny. Ouch. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...te-said-johnny-manziel-was-a-100-percent-joke
Should have stayed in Texas A&M... With his attitude he would have benefited more if he stayed for his full eligibility in college... After the Senior season, he might have grown up.. But now the Browns players dont even like him, being called a joke which shows disgust to a guy that is suppose to be a franchise qusrterback. Only Gordon likes him and Gordon is on his way out.. Lol
