1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

How can the miami dolphins defeat this losing culture?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Dec 10, 2014.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    Philbin is everything above.
     
  2. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    8,621
    2,680
    113
    Dec 16, 2007
    Nashville, TN
    I think the Saban comparison is fair. JJ not so much, IMO.

    Saban is a guy much like Harbaugh. Their style is better suited for coaching younger players. I will just be nice and leave it at that.

    JJ is different. He was a great NFL head coach. He just lost his heart for the game after his mother died. He said the losses still hurt but the wins didn't make him happy anymore. I was disappointed when he retired, but, I can't fault the man for walking away from that. I would have done the same.
     
  3. Fins Hipster

    Fins Hipster Banned

    272
    92
    0
    Nov 7, 2014
    And let me guess: those are the teams with the best quarterbacks.
     
  4. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

    8,141
    2,103
    113
    Nov 27, 2008
    Atlanta
    Crappy coaches unable to develop talent
     
  5. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

    8,141
    2,103
    113
    Nov 27, 2008
    Atlanta
    stop accepting mediocrity and demand more. Yes demand - because that is what it is going to take
     
  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

    10,488
    12,821
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    Absolutely...we're definitely not there YET in 2014 and I wasn't trying to show otherwise. But we could be, that's all I was saying. And if this does turn out to be year one of a three year cycle, then that puts us in some very elite company a few seasons from now.

    Besides, don't forget that both Minnesota and NY are very average teams that will not compete if we get the jump on them early. We've also beaten the Pats twice in a row because they give the short passing lanes and defend the field vertically...which plays right into this team's perfect game scenario. So 3-0 is a very possible scenario if we compete this Sunday, and I am confident that we earn a playoff berth from that. Several teams will fall in the final weeks...they always do. With three favorable match-ups for Tannehill, who knows?

    Even if we finish 9-7 though and miss the playoffs completely, that's a start of a winning culture.
     
  7. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

    3,662
    1,404
    113
    Oct 15, 2011
    Seneca, SC
    Get a winning HC/GM combo. Winning mentality starts at the top and trickles down.

    The good news is. Hickey is showing promise.. imo.
     
  8. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    5,227
    6,527
    113
    Dec 7, 2014
    I don't understand that honestly.

    To me, that's just a recipe for getting pissed on in your living room. Where else does it leave you?

    I've always been shocked at how negative Miami fans generally are.

    At the first sign of a bad game people crucify the players, coaches, etc.

    We still have people going on and on about a time-out that was called in week 6.

    If that doesn't sum up the average Miami Dolphins fan, I don't know what does, haha. :)
     
    speed, Larry Little and Piston Honda like this.
  9. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    5,227
    6,527
    113
    Dec 7, 2014
    Would that be your excuse before being fired, lol?

    Just blame it on the boss?

    Just something to think about.

    I think the real equation involves both entities.
     
  10. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

    7,853
    8,088
    113
    Sep 23, 2014
    If only it were that simple.
     
  11. Phins Up Wins Up

    Phins Up Wins Up Banned

    1,471
    269
    0
    Nov 27, 2014
    Idk what you're talking about buddy but the glass is half full. In fact it is even more than half full. That glass there is about to overflow all over the counter. We gonna whoop the Patsies because they are sissies. Brady will be crying in a third straight loss to the Dolphins!! Dolphins are his daddy. They own him. **ends troll**
     
  12. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

    7,853
    8,088
    113
    Sep 23, 2014
    Try not to take them too seriously, they're just venting.
     
  13. Fins Hipster

    Fins Hipster Banned

    272
    92
    0
    Nov 7, 2014
    What are the six teams you mentioned earlier in the thread, if you don't mind saying?
     
  14. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    5,227
    6,527
    113
    Dec 7, 2014
    The crazy thing is that no matter where you go, it's Miami fans that have the most rage.

    Miami fans fly off the handle so fast about everything.

    After every loss it's just "blow it up," haha.

    It's hilarious. I mean, I get it with the older generation that has a right to be jaded and cynical, but you'd really think there would be some really optimistic and supportive group of people to offset those.

    Haha...it's weird. I don't know what it is but there is a definite and undeniable rage. :)
     
  15. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    Wow get out much?I live in Philly area.Go on one thier forums after a loss and tell me what u read.
     
  16. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    I personally think we get blown out on Sunday because nobody in the afc east sweeps the pats and so far that has been more fact than fiction.9-7 is probally going to get the coach fired but we will See.
     
  17. Phins Up Wins Up

    Phins Up Wins Up Banned

    1,471
    269
    0
    Nov 27, 2014
    Dolphins have been one of the worst franchises the last 10-15 years. Time to right this ship.
     
  18. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    I agree but not sure if this clown Ross is capable of picking the right guy
    Hope I'm wrong.
     
  19. Phins Up Wins Up

    Phins Up Wins Up Banned

    1,471
    269
    0
    Nov 27, 2014
    What will that do? You actually think Ross and the other people are actually listening to us?
     
  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

    10,488
    12,821
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    Sorry, I meant to reply earlier. They are-

    New England
    Denver
    Green Bay
    San Fran
    Cincinnati
    Indy

    Also note that six of the last seven super bowl winners (Seattle, Baltimore, NY Giants x 2, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay) would not meet the definition of a "winning culture" with 3 straight +.500 seasons and a playoff berth each year. Most of them met the criteria for 2 seasons, but not 3 in a row. So it's a very elite group to be a part of....even though we expect it to happen every year as a fan.
     
    Fins Hipster likes this.
  21. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    How do I define this culture 1 playoff apperance in 13 years winning or losing?
     
  22. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

    3,840
    636
    0
    Feb 26, 2013
    We have a new culture. Stop dwelling on Ireland, Cameron, Saban, Jimmy, they are all losers and they are gone, the nightmare is over.
     
  23. speed

    speed Banned

    1,699
    179
    0
    Oct 14, 2014
    Winning cures all ills.

    Just win.
     
    KeyFin likes this.
  24. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    No we dont have a new culture unless you were out of the country we just lost a must win for the second year in a row.SO unless your high this is crystal clear a recurring nightmare.
     
    Phins Up Wins Up likes this.
  25. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

    3,840
    636
    0
    Feb 26, 2013
    Bro, we lost because of the offensive playcaller. Dude was a position coach, he needs to learn to playcall. We got some issues with personnel if you have not noticed as well.

    We have tremendous offensive system. We blew the Chargers, Broncos, Pats out of the water. When w play balanced, in rhythm, we are facking awesome, for the first time since Duper and Clayton. How facking awesome is that!?

    Defense is excellent too. The issues we are having is part of improvement. For example, out of necessity due to injuries, in both Chiefs and Ravens game, we were forced to play the lineup of Wheeler, Jenkins and Trusnik at LB. Those guys were giving up chunk yardage as a trio. We need to make some improvement.

    But the system is in place, QB is in place, coaches are in place, drafting and development is there, and the system is rolling when in rhythm and pices are healthy. We are set. We are over the hopeless football and hopeless future of the past. We are out of that tunnel.
     
  26. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

    8,141
    2,103
    113
    Nov 27, 2008
    Atlanta
    I think in general 80% of all people want to be positive. Most can not or do not remember everything that goes wrong, so they pick on or use memorable things to drive home a point or agenda they have.

    I simply have watched this team go from one of the most storied and respected franchises to what amounts to a joke in today's football world.

    I will give you an example in the Baltimore game. We were kicking their *** in the first half and squandered several opportunities to be up a whole lot more then we were.

    Dallas Thomas allows a sack and strip of Tannehill on second down after a 31 yrd gain was called back and we are instantly reeling. It is 3rd and 26 on our 30 or so.

    What came next was one of the most memorable give up plays I can remember in 10 years of Dolphin history. IMO A loud and clear message to the team which we never recovered from.

    what do we do?? We call a wide receiver screen on 3rd and 26. A screen that by design is only going to get you 8 - 10 yards max.

    When I saw this play I knew the game was over. I knew the team was sent a loud and clear message........we give up - Punt

    IMO Joe Philbin should be fired on this principal alone. Remember the kneel down and give up with 1:40 still on the clock at half time??? There is something fundamentally flawed with this type of football and I for one am screaming to Joe Philbin - NO THANKS TAKE THAT **** SOMEWHERE ELSE
     
  27. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

    8,141
    2,103
    113
    Nov 27, 2008
    Atlanta
    We have the talent to play with ANYONE in the league as evidence by the New England game, Denver game and San Diego game

    I have had upwards of 85 people working for me. So yes, when the **** hits the fan - it is ALWAYS "The Boss" who is responsible. ALWAYS

    I can not think of an exception

    It is the Boss who is responsible for the end product
     
    djphinfan likes this.
  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,650
    67,542
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    while its illogical to blame the past on current players and coaches, I can understand their angst. The franchise thru multiple regimes has provided similar results, which only strengthens my position on the culture..

    it all starts with the venue..if it has character and is intimate, your culture will thrive, if it is antiseptic and not intimate, it will drag whatever gets in its way down..
     
    2socks likes this.
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,650
    67,542
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    your words matter..
     
  30. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

    8,141
    2,103
    113
    Nov 27, 2008
    Atlanta
    I think you are on to something. It is not that simple and requires a unified effort, which we will never accomplish. I say never because we can't get 50 people on this board to agree less alone lead and organize a message to Ross & Co.

    Until Ross is hit hard in that Billionaire pocket he will never sell his "investment". And sell his investment is what it is going to take to get someone in here who is serious at building respectability. People have to stop going to the game. TV Rating have to plummet to all time new lows. People have to stop buying the merchandise. Make it so he can't give away his tickets-people don't want them

    Wow sad really. I don't know about you but I was 3 in '72 so I am to young to remember those days. I do remember the 80-s through now and I am going on 34 yrs and I am still waiting. The ineptitude of the people running this team is staggering and depressing. What makes it worse is the people who come on here and year after year and buy in to the nonsense of Baby steps or we have seen improvement, "next year is our year". I am not trying to slam anyone for their beliefs as they are entitled to believe what ever they want. I have been drinking the "cool-aid" for 34 years, look where it has got me. Over the years the management in many different ways have convinced the majority of Dolphin fans that what they are putting on the field is OK. OK - because next year there is "Hope". People want to be optimistic and want to be positive by nature. So we buy in. Before you know it you are me looking back and saying to yourself........**** man they fooled me for over 30 years

    "next year is starting to get old for me" - and I love this team as much as anyone on this board, but geez man I am on year 34 of "Next year"
     
  31. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

    8,141
    2,103
    113
    Nov 27, 2008
    Atlanta
    Yes they are
     
  32. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    "The Miami Plan"- How can we finally fix the Miami Dolphins?
    By NealDriscoll1982 on Dec 10 2014, 12:37p 32

    ×
    GET THE LATEST MIAMI DOLPHINS NEWS WITH THE PHINSIDER

    FOLLOW THE PHINSIDER ON TWITTER
    LIKE THE PHINSIDER FACEBOOK

     TWEET SHARE  SHARE
    I feel like its groundhog’s day as the Miami Dolphins are in the midst of another December collapse which will leave them on the outside looking in when it comes to the National Football League (NFL) playoffs. The Dolphins hosted the Baltimore Ravens in a big game on Sunday which had a playoff atmosphere built around it but the Dolphins failed the test miserably. The Dolphins started off hot taking a 10-0 lead but both the players and coaches let the more physical team from Baltimore dominate the game when all was said in done. In fact it seemed like the Dolphins came to play a football game and the Ravens came to win a fight. Many fans are making excuses such as injury but the Ravens played this game without Dennis Pitta, Haloti Ngata, Jimmy Smith, and with a very limited Torrey Smith so those excuses need to be checked at the door. The Ravens wanted it more; they executed better, and were coached better. So while Miami Dolphins apologists try to search for scenarios on how Miami will make the postseason I will bring reality to the situation which is that the Miami Dolphins are not good enough to be in the playoffs. Owner Stephen Ross needs to use the resources that surround him such as Dan Marino, Dawn Apote, Carl Peterson, and Eric Mangini to name a few to devise a plan to get this organization back to respectability. The one thing that certainly has to change is the culture surrounding Miami Dolphins football as this one storied franchise is so used to losing that it has become acceptable to most of the Dolphin’s fans. What is the plan to fix the Miami Dolphins? Further, how do you change the current culture surrounding Miami Dolphin’s football?
     
  33. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    You must be the most delusional person on this site and thats saying something.The running game has been exposed by denver as we have given up in the last 3 games the most rushing yards in the history of the franchise so you are wrong there.Rex ryan has exposed the offence case in point we were avering 27 points a game and the last two games we scored a whopping 29 because of our inability to stretch the field.You don't think bellicheck is going to copy this?The pats blows us out by 14 or more and this will be end of story and your beloved philbin gets his walking papers a day after the season is over.Sorry to burst your fantasyland perspective.
     
  34. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

    3,840
    636
    0
    Feb 26, 2013
    The only thing that was exposed on offense is the fact that we cannot roll on offense without more balance, 20/3 30/7 will not cut it. That was exposed in the season opener.
    That's play calling, that's not Philbin, and that is no news.

    As far as the walking papers, how do you think the Phins will do when they go back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust, 1-2 WR sets, when you really have to have a qb who can play, when you have to find that pro style QB and all college QBs come from spread like we run? Yeah, that should be a bright future again.
     
  35. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

    7,853
    8,088
    113
    Sep 23, 2014
    Pumpdogs made a good point yesterday, I'm young and dumb, I haven't been around long enough to develop the appropriate level of anger and cynicism. I can't really argue with that LOL.
     
    Phins Up Wins Up, 2socks and pumpdogs like this.
  36. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

    7,853
    8,088
    113
    Sep 23, 2014
    Ugh. You're trying to convince others that Philbin should go when you're still trying to convince yourself.
     
  37. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

    10,488
    12,821
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    Hopefully, you define it by saying, "The past 13 years has nothing to do with today OR this coming Sunday. Our team has looked good this season, has the most promising offense in a decade, and they've already stomped the eventual Super Bowl champs once this season. With a win this Sunday we're right back in the playoff race and this is going to be the season where everything changes."

    Or you can just pout and complain...and probably have a ****ty last two months of the NFL season. I personally would prefer to remain upbeat and see the possibilities, because they are very real if we topple New England for a third time straight.
     
    TooGoodForDez likes this.
  38. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    I guess I am just more competive than most of you people.Playing a close game and losing at the end is the same result as getting blown out a loss is a loss and we are going to be sitting home again jan as usual.Make that the past 14 years and keep the faith or whatever you want to call it because I want more.
    And yes the past matters because nobody has swept the pats since 2001.
     
  39. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

    5,185
    2,907
    113
    Sep 22, 2009
    delaware
    Now thats funny.
     
  40. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

    3,840
    636
    0
    Feb 26, 2013
    You live in the block of past 25 years. I look at past 25 years to realize we have a good thing going.
     

Share This Page