I guess until we give him an o line that does more than force defenders to go around them? He's played pretty well this season. He's taken strides forward three years in a row despite the fact he's surrounded by turd sandwiches.
Thanks for the kind words! As for Tannehill, I can only hope that somehow you're proven wrong, but I see it too. There are plays during which you really feel like Tannehills instincts are failing him. Sometimes it seems as though Ryan is so focused on trying to do what the coaches are telling him to do in meetings, that he's unable to play confidently. When he reported that Marino told him to 'pick a guy and let it fly,' I thought to myself, maybe somehow that will get through in to him. But then again, we don't want Tannehill being reckless. He's still plenty capable of throwing some passes right into the heart of coverage. I have a feeling that it could become a big issue if we do get a chance to open up the offense a bit next year. We hear all these arguments about Russell Wilson and I think people miss the forest for the trees. Regardless of how good Wilson is, he understands what he can add to the offense and makes all attempts to assertively do that. The game isn't to fast for Wilson. He seems to be able to dictate based on his ability, and you're right, at times Ryan just fails to do that. I certainly hope that the light will continue to come on maybe to the point that Tannehill starts really taking over games. We certainly haven't seen that yet.
I am a fan. I never stop being hopeful. I do not throw a fit like a teenager. I am not tired of rooting for my team.
Well at least we aren't the Raiders. Imagine the pain those fans feel? And Bills haven't made the playoffs since the 90s. Ouch.
He is a first year OC that makes a lot of mistakes. Does this really surprise you? It does not surprise me. I appreciate the better scheme and the improved play calling.
Yes it surprises me. Last week in the first half he had 20 passes 3 runs. It's troublesome. in the presser Philbin said he wants a balanced attack, Lazor said he was disappointed in himself. This week, we come out balanced and roll, then abandon it and lose. It's very troublesome.
Yeah, I see the exact same thing....flashes of complete brilliance when the scheme matches what the defense gives, and then that "deer in the headlights" stance when protection breaks down. He's a tough kid with a whole lot of talent and a really high football IQ, so I can see why so many people really like him as the face of the franchise. I just don't see how you can convince a guy to fully trust his instincts after three solid years of not doing it though. It's truly a shame....and I really hope that I'm wrong as well. New England will be a fantastic test to see if he can bounce back when everything is on the line, because we still have the slightest of chances to squeak in the playoffs at 10-6. Today sucked all of the optimism out of me but probably by Wednesday or so, I'll be back on the bangwagon again.
Yeah, I don't fully get that either....did anyone else feel like we completely kicked the poo out of the Ravens in the first half? Honestly, I was still thinking shutout at that point....and then our offense fell completely flat under the barrage of pressure. Miller was still running well so I really don't get it.
I agree it is disappointing and a problem. It just seems expected that a QB coach at the NFL level elevated to an OC would favor the pass. It is wrong, but it seems the most probable outcome.
IMO Tannehill looks like an inexperienced QB with an elite skill level. I think that it's ridiculous to claim that any QB that has had such a nearly linear and consistent improvement curve can't possibly continue to improve. Tannehill is far and away the biggest reason for future optimism with this team.
Well, I think it was Gibson's horrible drop that killed our 3rd drive...which looked promising. Who knows what happens if we go up 17-0 to start the game? When we came out in the 2nd half didn't we immediately move ourselves back with a penalty? When you're playing small ball like Miami, those 1st and 15 or 1st and 20 situations absolutely kill you. The inability to push the ball down the field was really a killer. It's hard to believe that there's not some way we can throw it deep, even on a designed roll out or something that.
It is extremely bothersome that on 3rd and 3 he huddles the team, goes to quick 3 step drop, has two outlet RBs in the flat, one on each side, and holds on to the ball looking downfield, for a sack. Drive killed. That is not inexperience, that is stupidity.
To start the 2nd half we had like 4 penalties in 8 plays (although not all plays were logged because of penalty).
I know the play you're talking about, and the broadcast angle really didn't show enough to tell if either flat option was actually "open" enough to convert. Additionally, I don't know if a defensive lineman was in his passing lane for either option.
Coaches will decide whether they have a QB they can rely on. I am sure they are forcing passes this year for evaluation purposes, cause this playcalling is certainly not geared to win games. But in there lies the problem. The more you have him pass the ball, the more stupid decisions you will get, especially because pressure will be mounting. So that is where Lazor is a problem and not a solution.
Are we operating under the premise that he keeps improving at the current rates? Because if so, I give him until he retires.
I give Tannehill 2 more years. Who would they get now? Not like any quarterback this upcoming draft is a franchise quarterback and even if there was Dolphins won't have a top 5 or top 10 pick to get him. I don't see any free agent quarterback right now that screams yes we need him. Tannehill is young and has shown some potential with a questionable offensive line and coaching staff. Albert coming back, James returning to right tackle, Pouncey back at center, a guard in free agency, and hopefully one in the draft, and a new coaching staff then we will really see if Tannehill can be this franchise's quarterback. So yeah I would give him 2 more years.
He's been a top 10 QB this year despite being in the first year of a new system so there's no "waiting". In fact he's played at a top 5 level over the second half of the season. He hasn't been perfect but he's hardly been the 1st, 2nd or 3rd reason for the team losing. Tannehill is the main reason we're even in the playoff hunt. If I could have guaranteed before the draft three years ago that he'd play at this level in year three then every single person would taken have taken that deal instantly. And that was despite the fact that I did tell everybody three years ago that this was a raw QB that would take about five years to develop. Many people get all emotional after a loss and want to get get rid of everybody, but throwing away a QB who played at a top 10 level in the first year in a system would be absolute insanity.
He's one of the most accurate passers we've ever had. People will romanticize Marino, but the fact is that we've never had a QB throw as consistently as RT has over the last 5 games. The critics fall all over themselves complaining about the short passing game, but any rational person can see that that is a necessity with this OL. It's just easier to blame the QB so that's where the lazy analysis goes. He also has elite arm strength and size and is very athletic. He has above average intelligence and probably most importantly, has the personality to work on his game. That's obvious in his year after year improvement despite what is arguably the worst three year stretch of OL play that any Dolphin QB has ever had to play behind.
That's really twisting the facts about this season, because no other QB in the game is expected to throw 25-35 two yard passes each week. If you look a little deeper though for true NFL throws that he makes....you might find one or two per game tops. Today, it was the bullet to Wallace that was called back and the TD to Hartline. That's it. Every other throw could have been made by any quarterback in the league...and that's including practice squad guys. Heck, Tebow could run this offense....and he wouldn't have been sacked half as many times today either. Meanwhile, did you see Big Ben with the 90 yard TD pass out of his own end zone today? That's the type of talent a franchise quarterback delivers....because its a true threat that keeps defenses on their heels. When you're talking two yard passes though, the other team can blitz eight and deal with the consequences if they get beat....because it may not even earn us a 1st down. So don't confuse touch pass accuracy with actual QB1 talent; they are two completely different things and we couldn't even complete those two yarders today.
Actually a Grantland article looked at every pass in the NFL in 2012 and found that the NFL average for passes that go more than 20 yards down field was 11% of passes that year. So that would mean that having 2 or 3 passes out of 25-30 20 yards downfield is exactly what the average NFL QB does. Obviously I want Tannehill to complete that rare pass you you're pretending is average, but I don't see it as a realistic expectation until the OL becomes at least passable and Tannehill gains more experience. Until then I'll settle for a top 10 - top 5 QB that continues to improve.
He has two years left on his deal if we use his option. Given his progress, over the last three seasons, I'd start with that number.
Tannehill's at 8% this year, which is below the league average of 12.7, and he's completed 32.4% of those, which is below the league average of 41.3%. If you put those two together, you're getting a great deal less downfield yardage in the air, and in fact Tannehill is at the bottom of the league in that regard, with only 233 yards on the year on passes thrown 20+ yards in the air, well below the league average of 602. In fact Tannehill is in the 0th percentile in the league in that regard.
Here's the thing. There are about 10 players in the world that can play QB better than Tannehill and a good majority of them are over 30. You don't just throw this away. Many fans have succumbed to "group-think" from the Big O's, Armando Salguero's and Omar Kelly's of the world. The fact is he's actually good at throwing the ball downfield. He can throw a frozen rope 35 yards. Look at the dropped TDs to Sims and Hartline. Look at the pass Wallace couldn't get his second foot down. Look at the dropped TD pass to Wallace last week. Look at the called back pass to Wallace today. Far too many of his deep passes last year to Wallace were off by a yard or an outstretched hand 50 yards downfield. Do you have any idea how good of a throw that is? The reasons we are not throwing deep to Wallace this year are two-fold... (a) the line cannot protect T-Hill long enough and (b) due to his inability to catch contested balls, Wallace is too great of a risk for an interception. It's foolhardy to think they're not doing it simply because it might drop incomplete.
They showed before the game that Tannehill hasn't thrown for 300 yards in a game yet this season. I was shocked at that. What did Andrew Luck have going...like a streak of 9 or something like that? According to Wiki, Luck has 3x as many in his career as Tannehill. Crazy.
The 2012 numbers were based on where the passes were thrown to eliminate YAC factors. Where do your stats for this year come from?
And? The point is he's had perfect deep balls for TDs dropped so the talk that he can't throw deep is nonsense. Go on YouTube and watch the overthrow/underthrow clip of T-Hill and Wallace from last year. Look at the quality of some of those passes. Now envision any other top WR making plays on those passes and tell me what you think the outcome would be.
In terms of drops and downfield passing numbers, you're looking at Tannehill alone without comparing him to the other QBs in the league. In other words, you're comparing Tannehill to himself, instead of comparing him to a league norm.
